Manchester United Summer Transfer Window 2015: What do we still need?

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Ultimately my team would follow (for most of the time) the rule of two

GK: Leno, Valdez

RB: Darmian, Alves
LB: Shaw, Rojo
CB: Otemendi, Smalling
CB: Laporte, Jones

DM: Schneiderlin, Blind
CM: Gundogan, Carrick
CM: Herrera, Fellaini

LW: Depay, Young
RW: Bale/Nani, Mata (Januzaj on loan)

STK: Rooney, RVP, Hernandez (Wilson on loan).
Leno perhaps £25 million & £100k a week
Darmain perhaps "20 million & 60k a week
Alvez free but £160K wages
Otamendi £35 million & £80K wages
Laporte £35 million & £80K wages
Schneiderlin £35million & £100K wages
Gundogan £20 million & £150k wages
Depay was what £25million & 100k wages
Bale £80 million & 200k wages

so around £270m spent and just over a million a week in wages
Players you presumably want to sell

De Gea what £15 million (75K)
Rafael who you think is gash so presumably £5million? (60K)
Evans what do you think at a push maybe £10 million? (70k)
Di Maria we might get £50 million if PSG dont care about FFP? (150k)
and of course we get falcao off our wage bill (280k)

so maybe 80 million... thats a net spend of around £190 million which I cant see happening can you? especially as the wage bill goes up by more than £350k a week as well

we might have quite a lot of money but not that much to spend this summer!
 
Crazy to think that since Fergie's left we would already say goodbye to Giggs, Vidic, Rio, Evra, Welbeck, Fletcher and now probably DDG, RVP, Chicha and Rafael.
 
If RVP leaves I'd replace him, otherwise i'd be happy with the front 3.
Midfield we have too many no.10's but we need cover at 8 in particular and 6 would be nice.
Get a RB and CB and replace De Gea.

so anywhere from 3 (if de gea stays :() to 6 for me.
I wouldn't bother with a front player unless it was benzema or reus or ronaldo or someone too good to turn down. We have enough potential in Memphis, Januzaj and Wilson.
 
Where have I said that it must be every summer? We're still recovering for a lack of investment/poor investment (Moyes + the 'value' strategy) which haunted us for half a decade. That's why we have to invest heavily. I'd be very surprised if after this season we buy more than 2-3 players per season.

Well we bought 6 player's last season (7 inc Falcao). Buying another 8 this season as you state would mean replacing 14 player's in two seasons. That's replacing 2/3rds of the squad in one year, which regardless how poor our squad was is far too much to expect to be competitive.

If your belief is we need another year of transition before being able to compete then fair enough.

Name me one top quality team who has no cover for RB? Whose defense is consistently plagued with injuries. Whose got a big lump in midfield whose good only to head the ball and shove players around. Who play a winger as first team RB etc. As said drastic situation need drastic measures

Valencia hasn't been a winger since Fergie retired. We'll sign Schweinsteiger and everyone will be asking why we've signed a centre forward and are playing him in midfield. Player's sometimes adapt their position, Valencia has done this and is now a competent right back, albeit one that needs upgrading.

In terms of squad player's Chelsea had Drogba as cover up front who was utterly useless, they have Cuadrado who looks worse than Young and Mikel who's a complete donkey. City have Sagna who's way past it, Mangala who's a liability, Fernando who's terrible, Navas who's useless and Jovetic who's a perma-crock. No team has 18 quality player's and every team has their Fellaini, Young, Valencia equivalents.

That's the point you're not understanding. There's no backup. You should aim of having 24 players whose competing for a first team role. Shaw will have to compete with Rojo. Jones and Smalling with Laporte and Otemendi etc. Also if anyone feels he cant compete than he's free to ask for a transfer. I am pretty sure that Bayern or Real would be interested in a defender who heads the pitch and make funny faces. In matter of fact I am curious were the remaining Brazilian crock left would go. Considering how overrated he is in here, anything below Bayern would be underwhelming.

No team in the world has 24 player's who are all fighting for a first team spot. The absolute best you can hope for is a squad of 18, but even then that squad will include a few player's like Drogba, Jovetic, Valencia, Fellaini, Navas, Sagna, Mikel, Welbeck, Szczesny, Rosicky, Flamini, Diaby etc. Your expectations of where we should be are not only unrealistic, but higher than a level we've ever been at in our history.

When we won the treble we had 8 defenders. Irwin, Wes and the Neville brothers on the rear flanks, Stam, Johnsen, May and Berg as CB. We also had Curtis who was back than England U21 regular at a time when England still had a solid side. Nearly all those defenders were better to what we've currently got and apart from May none of them had a yearly membership with the treatment room (Johnsen's and Wes's injuries came later). That's the defense you need to compete on all fronts

A bit of a strange comparison since Ronny Johnson, David May & Wes Brown didn't play a single game all season. We went through that entire season playing only Irwin, Stam, Neville, Berg & Silvestre. Unless you are advocating buying player's to stick in the reserves? I also disagree on your assessment of their abilities, Smalling is a far better defender than all three of them for instance.

Of course we can always settle for third place and who knows maybe a decent run in the CL. However if we're planning to go against the big guys with the likes of Jones, Mcnair, Valencia and Blackett than rest assured we will get skinned.

No we're planning on going up against the big boys with Alves, Smalling, Otamendi & Shaw. With Herrera, Carrick and Schneiderlin ahead and Di Maria, Mata and Rooney ahead of them. Obviously if we have an injury crises where 3 of our first choice defenders are injured squad player's will have to fill in. However take Pique, Mascherano and Alba out of Barcelona's back three and see what you end up with.

Yeah and we kept relying on him forever losing opportunities along the way. That Juventus lad does look good doesn't he?

Not bringing through younger lads when Scholes was 36 has no bearing whatsoever on how great he was for us at 34.

Falcao is a wreck, bringing him to United was silly. Di Maria is the EPL second top assistman and the club's top assist man. There's a reason why PSG are interested in him. I wonder whether they'll do the same if the 'work horses' Jones and Young suddenly become available.

Di Maria had a mediocre season. Benatia had a poor season. Mangala had an awful season. Cuadrado had an awful 6 months. Negredo had a poor season. Soldado has had an awful time. Evra and Vidic were dreadful for their first 6 months. Just because a player looks good in a different league doesn't mean he'll magically perform straight away in the Premier League. If you want to bring in 8 signings be prepared for a 5th place finish if we aren't fortunate.

Ultimately my team would follow (for most of the time) the rule of two

GK: Leno, Valdez

RB: Darmian, Alves
LB: Shaw, Rojo
CB: Otemendi, Smalling
CB: Laporte, Jones

DM: Schneiderlin, Blind
CM: Gundogan, Carrick
CM: Herrera, Fellaini

LW: Depay, Young
RW: Bale/Nani, Mata (Januzaj on loan)

STK: Rooney, RVP, Hernandez (Wilson on loan).

Again out of your first choice team you're potentially replacing 8 first team player's, six of them with players that have never played a game in the Premier League. With that level of personnel change we'd have a season identical to the one we've just had.

/edit: would also be interesting to see which 6 out of Alves, Rojo, Jones, Smalling, Mata, Fellaini, Carrick, RVP, Hernandez & Blind make the bench and which 4 are happy watching from the stands. Also interesting to see how we get rid of McNair, Blackett, Valencia, Rafael, Evans and Nani all in one window.
 
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GK: Leno, Valdez

RB: Alves, Valencia
LB: Shaw, Rojo
CB: Otamendi, Smalling
CB: McNair, Jones

DM: Carrick, Blind
CM: Gundogan, Schneiderlin
CM: Herrera, Kondogbia

LW: Depay, Young
RW: Di Maria, Mata, Januzaj

STK: Rooney, Benzema, Hernandez (Wilson on loan).

Mine would be like that.
 
Well we bought 6 player's last season (7 inc Falcao). Buying another 8 this season as you state would mean replacing 14 player's in two seasons. That's replacing 2/3rds of the squad in one year, which regardless how poor our squad was is far too much to expect to be competitive.

If your belief is we need another year of transition before being able to compete then fair enough.

We've brought 7 players and despite not all of them were great the world didn't imploded. Actually we improved on the year before. This year it will be easier because (according to my team) we would have only the RB position were we'll absolutely need to play a new player from day 1. We can afford giving time to our players. Young can play first teamer instead of Depay, Smalling and Jones can do the same for Oramendi and Laporte, Di Maria for Bale etc, Carrick/Fellaini for Gundogan/Schneiderlin etc. Hopefully all players will settle down quickly and prove their worth. If the old guard (Young, Smalling etc) can do well enough to keep their places than great. If not, then we would have quality players to replace them. Also there will be games were Smalling etc would be more sorted for the game than lets say Laporte or Young. For example Yorke Cole couldn't crack Bayern's defense, we slotted them out, we slot Teddy and Ole in and voila we won the treble. That's the beauty of having quality strength in depth.

Rest assured we would have less chance of a transition period if we bring the quality players we need rather then relying on players who are either not very good or they vanish in the treatment room after 5 straight games or else both. One hint, we've got more chance of actually winning the game if we've got Laporte in defense than Blackett.

Valencia hasn't been a winger since Fergie retired. We'll sign Schweinsteiger and everyone will be asking why we've signed a centre forward and are playing him in midfield. Player's sometimes adapt their position, Valencia has done this and is now a competent right back, albeit one that needs upgrading.

That speak volumes of the quality of the player isn't it? You see fullbacks moved upfront because they've got too much quality to be relegated as fullbacks but you rarely see wingers being converted as fullbacks, at least not at Valencia's age.

Anyway Valencia is an average fullback at very best. You may understand LVG on relying on him last season. Rafael was not available and we had already added 7 players to the mix. However I think we both believe that United deserve more than a nearly 30 year old winger who had been moved as right back because he's basically crap.

In terms of squad player's Chelsea had Drogba as cover up front who was utterly useless, they have Cuadrado who looks worse than Young and Mikel who's a complete donkey. City have Sagna who's way past it, Mangala who's a liability, Fernando who's terrible, Navas who's useless and Jovetic who's a perma-crock. No team has 18 quality player's and every team has their Fellaini, Young, Valencia equivalents.

I am pretty sure that the neutrals would rather have Jovetic or Cuadrado than Valencia TBH. Anyway apart from Valencia none of the players you've mentioned would be sold. We're just bringing in some competition for their roles. If they are good enough than they can easily keep their first team place


No team in the world has 24 player's who are all fighting for a first team spot. The absolute best you can hope for is a squad of 18, but even then that squad will include a few player's like Drogba, Jovetic, Valencia, Fellaini, Navas, Sagna, Mikel, Welbeck, Szczesny, Rosicky, Flamini, Diaby etc. Your expectations of where we should be are not only unrealistic, but higher than a level we've ever been at in our history.

Hence why I wouldn't sell Fellaini, Young etc. Have you read my squad list?



A bit of a strange comparison since Ronny Johnson, David May & Wes Brown didn't play a single game all season. We went through that entire season playing only Irwin, Stam, Neville, Berg & Silvestre. Unless you are advocating buying player's to stick in the reserves? I also disagree on your assessment of their abilities, Smalling is a far better defender than all three of them for instance.

Johnsen was a first teamer in the treble winning run. Wes made 13 appearances for the first team and no Smalling is nowhere near to Wes and Johnsen.



No we're planning on going up against the big boys with Alves, Smalling, Otamendi & Shaw. With Herrera, Carrick and Schneiderlin ahead and Di Maria, Mata and Rooney ahead of them. Obviously if we have an injury crises where 3 of our first choice defenders are injured squad player's will have to fill in. However take Pique, Mascherano and Alba out of Barcelona's back three and see what you end up with.

We will have an injury crisis in defense with the current defense. We always do. Hence why we need to buy



Not bringing through younger lads when Scholes was 36 has no bearing whatsoever on how great he was for us at 34.

I said sticking to old players. Also that policy was criticized by Scholes himself who said that something must be terribly wrong when your best CMs are at the wrong end of their 30s (referring to Giggs and himself)


Di Maria had a mediocre season. Benatia had a poor season. Mangala had an awful season. Cuadrado had an awful 6 months. Negredo had a poor season. Soldado has had an awful time. Evra and Vidic were dreadful for their first 6 months. Just because a player looks good in a different league doesn't mean he'll magically perform straight away in the Premier League. If you want to bring in 8 signings be prepared for a 5th place finish if we aren't fortunate.


Again out of your first choice team you're potentially replacing 8 first team player's, six of them with players that have never played a game in the Premier League. With that level of personnel change we'd have a season identical to the one we've just had.

Were have I said that?

/edit: would also be interesting to see which 6 out of Alves, Rojo, Jones, Smalling, Mata, Fellaini, Carrick, RVP, Hernandez & Blind make the bench and which 4 are happy watching from the stands. Also interesting to see how we get rid of McNair, Blackett, Valencia, Rafael, Evans and Nani all in one window.

Well Alves, Carrick and RVP are on their 30s. If they dont like the bench than they are free to leave next year and join Sunderland. I also see nothing wrong in a top club to have the likes of Jones, Smalling, Fellaini, Hernandez and Blind on the bench. They are hardly world class players. Also I am pretty sure that the club will survive the selling of Mcnair, Blackett, Rafael and Evans (do the last two still exist?) and Nani.

However as said if United will seriously compete on all four fronts than the 'reserves' will get plenty of time to play.
 
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We've brought 7 players and despite not all of them were great the world didn't imploded. Actually we improved on the year before. This year it will be easier because (according to my team) we would have only the RB position were we'll absolutely need to play a new player from day 1. We can afford giving time to our players. Young can play first teamer instead of Depay, Smalling and Jones can do the same for Oramendi and Laporte, Di Maria for Bale etc, Carrick/Fellaini for Gundogan/Schneiderlin etc. Hopefully all players will settle down quickly and prove their worth...

The world didn't implode last season but we had the definition of a transitional season. We didn't compete for any trophies throughout the season, despite having far more rest than our rivals. The reason for this was our abysmal start which was hampered by players settling in, players learning what Van Gaal required of them and injuries. The absolute last thing we need is for half our squad to be settling in and learning Van Gaal's style of play again. If we take this route we'll again be delaying our chances of winning anything by another year.

You say we could transition them into the team. Sitting on the bench for a couple of months isn't going to help 7-8 new players adapt to the Premier league. The only way they'll adapt is to consistently play and during this period the chances are they'll make a lot of mistakes whilst adapting. Could we drop them in favour of Smalling/Jones etc after they make mistakes? Absolutely but that isn't going to do their confidence any favours and will just leave us back to square one.

You can't assemble a strong squad by throwing money at 15 different player's from several different league's in 12 months and expect to have a great team.

Rest assured we would have less chance of a transition period if we bring the quality players we need rather then relying on players who are either not very good or they vanish in the treatment room after 5 straight games or else both. One hint, we've got more chance of actually winning the game if we've got Laporte in defense than Blackett.

Give me an example of a team that's changed half their squad in 12 months and has gone on to do really well? The closest I can think was Chelsea after Abramovich took over which took them 2 years and that was when competition was poor in comparison.

Obviously your example is completely disingenuous. A more apt comparison would be Laporte and Smalling, as the former isn't coming in to replace our 6th choice centre back. Again I'd say in the first season in English Football we'd have less of a chance of silverware with Otamendi/Laporte than Otamendi/Smalling because having a player who knows the League, knows the system and is settled would be a huge benefit to those around him.

That speak volumes of the quality of the player isn't it? You see fullbacks moved upfront because they've got too much quality to be relegated as fullbacks but you rarely see wingers being converted as fullbacks, at least not at Valencia's age...

I'm not arguing whether we need an upgrade on Valencia, that's obvious and our main priority. I'm arguing the statement that "he's a winger". As a full back he's comparable with most back up player's, in an attacking sense I don't think he's offered anything that would put him above Championship level in a few years. As it stands he's a decent back-up full back, not a winger.

I am pretty sure that the neutrals would rather have Jovetic or Cuadrado than Valencia TBH. Anyway apart from Valencia none of the players you've mentioned would be sold. We're just bringing in some competition for their roles. If they are good enough than they can easily keep their first team place.

I'd much prefer a versatile player that can come into the team and work hard and do a job, rather than a player who spends 6 months a year on the treatment table.

Hence why I wouldn't sell Fellaini, Young etc. Have you read my squad list?

The problem with your list is that you have several players who'll expect squad rotation who won't even make our bench. The team you posted would have Valencia, Smalling, Jones, McNair, Blind, Carrick, Young, Fellaini, RVP, Hernandez, Nani, Rojo all fighting for 6 slots on the bench. A player who's had a good season and we've only just bought in Blind would be relegated to 3rd choice DM/LB. Again total fantasy that Van Gaal would effectively bin him after 12 months.

Johnsen was a first teamer in the treble winning run. Wes made 13 appearances for the first team and no Smalling is nowhere near to Wes and Johnsen.

I made a slight error. Only Stam, Johnson, Neville & Irwin made a meaningful contribution that season. Brown/May/Berg started less than 30 games between them. Their contribution was a footnote to the season as best. I disagree about the Smalling assessment: Stam, Schmeichel, Irwin and Neville were the reason our defence was so great that year. You put Smalling next to those 4 player's and he'd look phenomenal. Jonny Evans looked great next to VDS, Ferdinand, Vidic & Evra and Smalling is a far better player than Evans.

We will have an injury crisis in defense with the current defense. We always do. Hence why we need to buy.

Which is why we should replace Evans with a defender with a great injury record. Having Rojo, Smalling, Jones, A.N. Other and McNair is enough cover.

I said sticking to old players. Also that policy was criticized by Scholes himself who said that something must be terribly wrong when your best CMs are at the wrong end of their 30s (referring to Giggs and himself)

I am proposing a phasing out of a quality player over a couple of seasons, rather than replacing him. If we have 7 versatile players all fighting for 3 positions at least one of them will not get a game. Again it's about balance and either Carrick, Fellaini or Blind will never play if we're that well stocked.

A more balanced approach would be Schneiderlin comes in this season so we have Fellaini/Schneiderlin/Blind/Carrick who fight for 2 positions. Then dependent on a) Fellaini's form; and b) Carrick's fitness we go all out for a quality midfielder next Summer when the likes of Pogba/Verratti may be available.

With your approach when a truly world class player becomes available we either bin a player we bought 12 months earlier to accommodate them or pass up the opportunity. That'd be stupid in my opinion.

Were have I said that?

Where did you say you'd bring in 8 players? Leno, Alves, Darmian, Otamendi, Laporte, Schneiderlin, Gundogan, Bale...

Or do you mean where did you say they'd magically fit in? Well you had 7 of our starting XI changing and said "That team would be competitive". Assuming you meant for a Premier League/Champions League title then I think you're naive. Players don't just perform like stats on a spreadsheet. As I've said I don't think that team would be competitive next season as the sheer level of upheaval would mean another transitional season.

Well Alves, Carrick and RVP are on their 30s. If they dont like the bench than they are free to leave next year and join Sunderland. I also see nothing wrong in a top club to have the likes of Jones, Smalling, Fellaini, Hernandez and Blind on the bench. They are hardly world class players. Also I am pretty sure that the club will survive the selling of Mcnair, Blackett, Rafael and Evans (do the last two still exist?) and Nani...

I agree with you that Blackett, Januzaj, Evans and either Rafael or Valencia shouldn't have a role to play next season. They should either be loaned out in the case of the former two players or sold. However the sheer amount of signings you're suggesting won't just condemn players to the bench, it'd condemn them to the stands. In some cases you're signing a player just to force out other talented players, not thinking about the impact of constantly changing the side to accommodate players who'll want to play. This is before you even think about the unrealistic £250m budget that would be required to fund this spending spree.

Either well it's pretty academic as no manager in world football would follow your policy.
 
The world didn't implode last season but we had the definition of a transitional season. We didn't compete for any trophies throughout the season, despite having far more rest than our rivals. The reason for this was our abysmal start which was hampered by players settling in, players learning what Van Gaal required of them and injuries. The absolute last thing we need is for half our squad to be settling in and learning Van Gaal's style of play again. If we take this route we'll again be delaying our chances of winning anything by another year.


You say we could transition them into the team. Sitting on the bench for a couple of months isn't going to help 7-8 new players adapt to the Premier league. The only way they'll adapt is to consistently play and during this period the chances are they'll make a lot of mistakes whilst adapting. Could we drop them in favour of Smalling/Jones etc after they make mistakes? Absolutely but that isn't going to do their confidence any favours and will just leave us back to square one.

You can't assemble a strong squad by throwing money at 15 different player's from several different league's in 12 months and expect to have a great team.



Give me an example of a team that's changed half their squad in 12 months and has gone on to do really well? The closest I can think was Chelsea after Abramovich took over which took them 2 years and that was when competition was poor in comparison.

Obviously your example is completely disingenuous. A more apt comparison would be Laporte and Smalling, as the former isn't coming in to replace our 6th choice centre back. Again I'd say in the first season in English Football we'd have less of a chance of silverware with Otamendi/Laporte than Otamendi/Smalling because having a player who knows the League, knows the system and is settled would be a huge benefit to those around him.



I'm not arguing whether we need an upgrade on Valencia, that's obvious and our main priority. I'm arguing the statement that "he's a winger". As a full back he's comparable with most back up player's, in an attacking sense I don't think he's offered anything that would put him above Championship level in a few years. As it stands he's a decent back-up full back, not a winger.



I'd much prefer a versatile player that can come into the team and work hard and do a job, rather than a player who spends 6 months a year on the treatment table.



The problem with your list is that you have several players who'll expect squad rotation who won't even make our bench. The team you posted would have Valencia, Smalling, Jones, McNair, Blind, Carrick, Young, Fellaini, RVP, Hernandez, Nani, Rojo all fighting for 6 slots on the bench. A player who's had a good season and we've only just bought in Blind would be relegated to 3rd choice DM/LB. Again total fantasy that Van Gaal would effectively bin him after 12 months.



I made a slight error. Only Stam, Johnson, Neville & Irwin made a meaningful contribution that season. Brown/May/Berg started less than 30 games between them. Their contribution was a footnote to the season as best. I disagree about the Smalling assessment: Stam, Schmeichel, Irwin and Neville were the reason our defence was so great that year. You put Smalling next to those 4 player's and he'd look phenomenal. Jonny Evans looked great next to VDS, Ferdinand, Vidic & Evra and Smalling is a far better player than Evans.



Which is why we should replace Evans with a defender with a great injury record. Having Rojo, Smalling, Jones, A.N. Other and McNair is enough cover.



I am proposing a phasing out of a quality player over a couple of seasons, rather than replacing him. If we have 7 versatile players all fighting for 3 positions at least one of them will not get a game. Again it's about balance and either Carrick, Fellaini or Blind will never play if we're that well stocked.

A more balanced approach would be Schneiderlin comes in this season so we have Fellaini/Schneiderlin/Blind/Carrick who fight for 2 positions. Then dependent on a) Fellaini's form; and b) Carrick's fitness we go all out for a quality midfielder next Summer when the likes of Pogba/Verratti may be available.

With your approach when a truly world class player becomes available we either bin a player we bought 12 months earlier to accommodate them or pass up the opportunity. That'd be stupid in my opinion.



Where did you say you'd bring in 8 players? Leno, Alves, Darmian, Otamendi, Laporte, Schneiderlin, Gundogan, Bale...

Or do you mean where did you say they'd magically fit in? Well you had 7 of our starting XI changing and said "That team would be competitive". Assuming you meant for a Premier League/Champions League title then I think you're naive. Players don't just perform like stats on a spreadsheet. As I've said I don't think that team would be competitive next season as the sheer level of upheaval would mean another transitional season.



I agree with you that Blackett, Januzaj, Evans and either Rafael or Valencia shouldn't have a role to play next season. They should either be loaned out in the case of the former two players or sold. However the sheer amount of signings you're suggesting won't just condemn players to the bench, it'd condemn them to the stands. In some cases you're signing a player just to force out other talented players, not thinking about the impact of constantly changing the side to accommodate players who'll want to play. This is before you even think about the unrealistic £250m budget that would be required to fund this spending spree.

Either well it's pretty academic as no manager in world football would follow your policy.

The season before the treble was a transition season. We spotted three weaknesses, added quality to them, and voila we dominated the world. Last season was a squad rebuilding season which had to compensate for the flawed 'value' strategy initiated by SAF and the wrong signings made by Moyes. This season will pretty much the same thing (LVG hinted it and so did football experts like Arsene Wenger). That's what happen when a manager allow players like Rio, Vidic, Evra, Scholes, Giggs, Gaz to grow old and players like Ronaldo to leave and you only have players like of Jones, Smalling, Buttner, Rafael and Young to replace them.

You're saying that the likes of Jones, Fellaini, Smalling and Blind wouldn't accept the bench. I've already told you that they would be competitors and not reserves. Also during the treble we had better talent sitting on the bench than these players and such thing occurred at a time when squads were much smaller than today (ex Ole, Sheringham, Butt, Wes and Blomqvist). Having a big squad is necessary to compete at all fronts. OShea was never a first teamer but he played over 200 games with United. Mind I am not naive. Some may end up asking to leave (ex Welbeck). There again if they feel that they cant compete for a first team place against better players why should we care?

As said I am against buying 8 players per season however drastic situations need drastic measures and that's exactly what United is passing from. No big club has a big lump in midfield whose only good in shoving people and head the ball and no big club has a defense (which also have washed up wingers in it) that had constantly shown that it cant remain fit.
 
The season before the treble was a transition season. We spotted three weaknesses, added quality to them, and voila we dominated the world. Last season was a squad rebuilding season which had to compensate for the flawed 'value' strategy initiated by SAF and the wrong signings made by Moyes. This season will pretty much the same thing (LVG hinted it and so did football experts like Arsene Wenger). That's what happen when a manager allow players like Rio, Vidic, Evra, Scholes, Giggs, Gaz to grow old and players like Ronaldo to leave and you only have players like of Jones, Smalling, Buttner, Rafael and Young to replace them.

You're saying that the likes of Jones, Fellaini, Smalling and Blind wouldn't accept the bench. I've already told you that they would be competitors and not reserves. Also during the treble we had better talent sitting on the bench than these players and such thing occurred at a time when squads were much smaller than today (ex Ole, Sheringham, Butt, Wes and Blomqvist). Having a big squad is necessary to compete at all fronts. OShea was never a first teamer but he played over 200 games with United. Mind I am not naive. Some may end up asking to leave (ex Welbeck). There again if they feel that they cant compete for a first team place against better players why should we care?

As said I am against buying 8 players per season however drastic situations need drastic measures and that's exactly what United is passing from. No big club has a big lump in midfield whose only good in shoving people and head the ball and no big club has a defense (which also have washed up wingers in it) that had constantly shown that it cant remain fit.

I agree that the squad was left to get to a very poor state, but also think our current squad is no weaker than the Chelsea squad of Mourinho's first season back. They went out and signed Matic, Fabregas and Costa as three first choice player's that would slot straight in, then went on to dominate the League. This is what we should be aiming at now: we have a solid base of De Gea, Shaw, Smalling, Jones, Herrera, Carrick, Blind, Di Maria, Mata, Rojo, Rooney, Fellaini, Depay, Young & RVP and with 3 top class additions we'll be a transformed team. Obviously if De Gea goes we'll need a replacement for him also. Mourinho could have come in and binned Terry, Cahill, Ramires, Mikel, Cech and signed a ton of extra players from day one, but he's not an idiot. He realised that you need a balance between Premier League proven experience, a few of the right signings to compliment them, but above all else not a complete upheaval that would take 3-4 years in transition.

You say they'll be competitors, but again you can't have 5-6 player's competing for 2 slots. Your central defence of Smalling, Jones, Rojo, Otamendi, Laporte would have one defender older than 25. Do you really think playing sporadically 1 game in 3 or 4 would help the development of any of these players? Of course not, the inevitable result would be a cycle of one bad performance resulting in being dropped, confidence being shot and development being halted. We need to establish a first choice central defensive pairing, not 5 player's all playing sporadically and unable to form a partnership. There's also a difference between a 33 year old Sheringham playing a bit part role and a 21 year old Laporte; one is being managed due to age, the other is having their development stunted. If you said we should bring in Otamendi and a 33 year old Premier League proven player who'd be happy with a bit part role (maybe Jagielka?) I might see your point.

I agree drastic times call for drastic measures, which is why we signed 7 players last year. Now we need to focus on a few of the right players, rather than a blunder-bus approach. For example I'd comfortably take 4 signings of Godin, Pogba, Depay & Carvajal over 7 in Otamendi, Depay, Laporte, Schneiderlin, Gundogan, Alves and Darmien.
 
Defence: Clyne & Laporte
Midfield - Xhaka
and that's it.
The only other players I would like after that would be some star dust. The likes of a Bale to play on the wings or Ronaldo in as a striker.
 
Does anyone know how available Carvajal is because of Madrid signing Danilo? Probably not easy to acquire but he'd be an excellent purchase.

I'd also like to see one of Laporte/Otamendi/Giminez for CB, then one of Schniederlin/Xhaka for the defensive thinking midfielder role, and possibly another centre mid to sure up that area.

Then I think we definitely need to buy another striker. It's difficult to say who I'd want in this position but ideally I'd love Lacazette or Kane.
 
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I agree that the squad was left to get to a very poor state, but also think our current squad is no weaker than the Chelsea squad of Mourinho's first season back. They went out and signed Matic, Fabregas and Costa as three first choice player's that would slot straight in, then went on to dominate the League. This is what we should be aiming at now: we have a solid base of De Gea, Shaw, Smalling, Jones, Herrera, Carrick, Blind, Di Maria, Mata, Rojo, Rooney, Fellaini, Depay, Young & RVP and with 3 top class additions we'll be a transformed team. Obviously if De Gea goes we'll need a replacement for him also. Mourinho could have come in and binned Terry, Cahill, Ramires, Mikel, Cech and signed a ton of extra players from day one, but he's not an idiot. He realised that you need a balance between Premier League proven experience, a few of the right signings to compliment them, but above all else not a complete upheaval that would take 3-4 years in transition.

You say they'll be competitors, but again you can't have 5-6 player's competing for 2 slots. Your central defence of Smalling, Jones, Rojo, Otamendi, Laporte would have one defender older than 25. Do you really think playing sporadically 1 game in 3 or 4 would help the development of any of these players? Of course not, the inevitable result would be a cycle of one bad performance resulting in being dropped, confidence being shot and development being halted. We need to establish a first choice central defensive pairing, not 5 player's all playing sporadically and unable to form a partnership. There's also a difference between a 33 year old Sheringham playing a bit part role and a 21 year old Laporte; one is being managed due to age, the other is having their development stunted. If you said we should bring in Otamendi and a 33 year old Premier League proven player who'd be happy with a bit part role (maybe Jagielka?) I might see your point.

I agree drastic times call for drastic measures, which is why we signed 7 players last year. Now we need to focus on a few of the right players, rather than a blunder-bus approach. For example I'd comfortably take 4 signings of Godin, Pogba, Depay & Carvajal over 7 in Otamendi, Depay, Laporte, Schneiderlin, Gundogan, Alves and Darmien.


I agree with pretty much all you have wrote, but what happens when Carrick is unavailable or needs a rest?
I still think we need a proper backup CDM/deep lying playmaker.
 
Does anyone know how available Carvajal because of Madrid signing Danilo? Probably not easy to acquire but he'd be an excellent purchase.

I'd also like to see one of Laporte/Otamendi/Giminez for CB, then one of Schniederlin/Xhaka for the defensive thinking midfielder role, and possibly another centre mid to sure up that area.

Then I think we definitely need to buy another striker. It's difficult to say who I'd want in this position but ideally I'd love Lacazette or Kane.


That was the first thing that came to my mind when Real signed Danilo...but this is the same club that spent €30 million on Coentrão then benched him for Marcelo for the last 2-3 years.
 
Still so many players we need. Really hope Di Maria proves to be fantastic next season.

Best scenario: Hummels, Vidal, Bale, Carvajal - Would make us title contenders on paper at least.
Realistic scenario: Otamendi, Schneiderlin, Higuain.
 
Would be disappointed if that is our window.
Me too .....I just can't see what other superstars will become available.......Getting Reus could be a possibility and that would be awesome.....Van Gaal will spend big for sure but getting a world class super star who can take us to the next level won't be easy
 
Still so many players we need. Really hope Di Maria proves to be fantastic next season.

Best scenario: Hummels, Vidal, Bale, Carvajal - Would make us title contenders on paper at least.
Realistic scenario: Otamendi, Schneiderlin, Higuain.

I agree with this. Those 3 players at least would bring balance to the team which we have not had since Fergie quit. You would hope too that Di Maria will come good and that we can get lucky over the summer and land a couple of superstars such as Vidal and Reus but won't count my chickens and Di Maria may opt to leave too
 
Realistically the next 3-4 weeks are likely to be just rumours without anyone signing, then early July we might get a couple in, then all quiet again until after the tour after this the big business will hopefully start, talk of us getting everything done before the tour isn't going to happen imo.
 
Realistically the next 3-4 weeks are likely to be just rumours without anyone signing, then early July we might get a couple in, then all quiet again until after the tour after this the big business will hopefully start, talk of us getting everything done before the tour isn't going to happen imo.
LvG wants them in before the tour starts. If it is like last summer transfer window he will go absolutely nuts.
 
I agree with pretty much all you have wrote, but what happens when Carrick is unavailable or needs a rest?
I still think we need a proper backup CDM/deep lying playmaker.

My view is we either need a player who is a great number 8 but also adept at the number 6 position or vice versa. They would get enough games to cover for Carrick and also play alongside him at times.

Then next Summer we'd make a decision whether a) Carrick can go on another season; and b) whether Fellaini has a long term future in our midfield. One of those answers will probably be "no" and a top class player would replace them.
 
Alves would be a quality signing for a couple of seasons or so. Experienced, fantastic offensively and is a better defender than what we currently have. Valencia as back up and we're sorted in that area.
 
My inner muppet is in overdrive thinking about who we could sign. After many long hours of zombie-like reflection I guess this would be my ultimate realistic list along with Depay -
Matteo Darmian , Alexandre Lacazette , Nicolas Otamendi and Geoffrey Kondogbia or Schneiderlin
 
LvG wants them in before the tour starts. If it is like last summer transfer window he will go absolutely nuts.

Doesn't mean it's going to happen though.

Realistic players before the tour would be Clyne, Alves, Lapotre, and Gundogun beacause things are relatively simple with regards to contracts, clubs you're dealing with etc, but when it comes to players like Schweinsteiger, Benzema, Otemendi it's not so simple, rich clubs don't want to sell so make things difficult, need to wait to get replacement in, tournaments they're playing in etc.

LVG just might have to wait to get his whole squad together much like last season, which will be dangerous given our CL qualifier.
 
My inner muppet is in overdrive thinking about who we could sign. After many long hours of zombie-like reflection I guess this would be my ultimate realistic list along with Depay -
Matteo Darmian , Alexandre Lacazette , Nicolas Otamendi and Geoffrey Kondogbia or Schneiderlin

I think we can get every single one of those targets without too much fuss and each would bring something that our team needs....add gundogan to that list and we have it all.
 
I think we will go into the season with what we have, latest the end of July. I think van Gaal will make most signings before the season starts.
 
It annoys me that when we have to we can make a signing quickly and without fuss, I.e. Depay but once the pressures off we take weeks / months to do anything and end up going into pre-season, or even the new season, without the new signings we need.
 
One more year of transition for me. Still some problems that need ironing out.

De Gea (Or Lloris) - Valdes

Alves (Or Clyne) - Valencia
Smalling - Jones
Otamendi - Rojo
Shaw - Blind

Carrick - Schneiderlin
Herrera - Gundogan
Fellaini

Depay - Young
Di Maria - Mata

Rooney - Lacazette
Plenty of options for a 433 or 4231

Once we are more stable, 1 or 2 big names per season.
 
Whoever we sign is going to be so underwhelming when city sign pogba and chelsea sign griezman the gap between us grows

If we are going to spend big I really hope we sign 2 players that are future best players in the world and not 5 decent 25m players
 
City can get Pogba and Chelsea griezman, there are other equally as good if not better talent out there.
 
Whoever we sign is going to be so underwhelming when city sign pogba and chelsea sign griezman the gap between us grows

If we are going to spend big I really hope we sign 2 players that are future best players in the world and not 5 decent 25m players

Already got one :drool:
 
Watching that Champions league final yesterday showed how far we have to go to compete in Europe again, let alone win. We need to target some real quality players all over the pitch, even if they are young and are just on the verge of becoming top class players. Depay is just the start, hopefully we get a lot more of them coming in.
 
In:
Muslera (Galatasary) €20m(£15m)
Alves (Barcelona) free
Otamendi (Valencia) €35m (£25.5m)
Schneiderlin (Southampton)€35m (£25.5m)
Gündogan (Dortmund)€30m (£22m)
Benteke (Aston Villa) €44.5m (£32.5m)
Gaïtan (Benfica) €35m (£25.5m)
Depay (PSV) €31.5m (£23m)

Total: €231m (£169m)

Out:
De Gea (Real Madrid) €37.5m (£28m)
RVP (Juventus) € 7.5m (£5m)
Falcao (end of loan)
Evans (?) €6m (£4m)
Rafael (?)€4m (£3m)
Hernandez (?) €13.5m (£10m)
Nani (?) €20m (£15m)
Cleverley (Everton) free
Blackett (loan)
Januzaj (loan)
Pereira (loan)
Wilson (loan)
Amos (free)

Total: €88.5m (£65m)

Net spend: €142.5m (£101.5m)

------------------Muslera------------------
Alves-----Otamendi---Smalling----Shaw
----------------Schneiderlin--------------
----------Di Maria---------Herrera------
Gaïtan-----------Rooney----------Depay

Valdes, Jones, Rojo, Gündogan, Mata, Young, Benteke

Reserve:
Lindegaard
Valencia
McNair
Blind
Carrick
Fellaini

The choice for Gaïtan is the following, I think he would be an excellent match on the field together with Di Maria in a similar way to how we have a great match between Herrera and Mata. He is a player with great intelligence and individual skill, not a massive goalscorer like for example Depay but he has got 16 assists this season at Benfica.

Obviously different choices can be made to whom would start (depending on performance ofcourse)
 
I agree drastic times call for drastic measures, whic is why we signed 7 players last year. Now we need to focus on a few of the right players, rather than a blunder-bus approach. For example I'd comfortably take 4 signings of Godin, Pogba, Depay & Carvajal over 7 in Otamendi, Depay, Laporte, Schneiderlin, Gundogan, Alves and Darmien.
I'd be very happy if we get three out of Schneiderlin, Otamendi, Alves and Gundogan. Preferably with Gundogan and Schneiderlin in that 3. Those addition would make us competing for the title
 
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