Who decides that? You?
The fact is that he's spent money as the market has gone crazy, so we've not got as much for it. When you throw in the usual "mistake" signings that every manager makes, then where does that leave us? fecking miles behind.
Manchester United ready to back José Mourinho with £100m-plus in January
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Who decides that? You?
The fact is that he's spent money as the market has gone crazy, so we've not got as much for it. When you throw in the usual "mistake" signings that every manager makes, then where does that leave us? fecking miles behind.
As far as shit excuses for Jose go, that's one of the shittest
That's the thing, we either back him with money or we sack him. The worst thing to do is to keep him on board and not back him as it doesn't help anyone.
what did I just read
It does, it helps Woodward save the money he'd need to spend to sack him.
I'd rather sack him - I wouldn't trust him to spend 40mil correctly let alone 100.
He shouldn't need to save to sack him.
He has the funds to do either. He's just in limbo which is daft. He should really back of sack.
Good. I mean, SAF’s first selection of manager did so well. Let him select another.
That's reality I'm afraid. You want your Pogba's etc, you pay big money. But it only fills one place in the team.
He's bought a lot more than just Pogba. Is £75m on Lukaku money well spent? Is Fred really the best we could find for £50m? Doubt it. Actually all we need to do is look at the signings of our rivals and the top teams in Europe to see how many great players can be bought without shelling out fortunes. Clubs like Dortmund, Atletico and Juventus are constantly finding great players for reasonable fees. Plenty more examples too. As far as I can tell it's mainly United that are guilty of massively overspending on rubbish and then complaining about an inflated market.
Sorry I should have said it helps no one in terms of results and performances on the pitch. Saving money is the only advantage to keeping Mourinho without backing him with players.
If Mourinho specifically wants experienced players that are/will be on the decline very soon, then I can see why the board doesn't back him. But if that's the case then surely Mourinho will have adapted his transfer wish list accordingly to fit what the board want as well.
Either way I think the board should either back the manager or sack him. Part backing him is imo the worst solution as it just means we end up buying average players/players that may not entirely fit the system.
Agree, especially there is a likelihood he won't be here next summer.
Even if it's true, what's the point if we the 4th place were to be unreachable by then?
if anything gets done in January it should be De Gea, Martial and Hererra's contracts
any signing would have to be someone who is young and addresses an urgent need - the last thing we want to do is land a new manager with another Sanchez or Matic
any signing would have to be someone who is young and addresses an urgent need - the last thing we want to do is land a new manager with another Sanchez or Matic
Nope, well should be dry for Jose now I'm afraid. I dont want anymore Matic's or Sanchez's coming to OT on 100's of thousands a week hitting 30yrs old.
£100 ? What good is that when we need to replace about a dozen players ?
( Darmian, Young, Valencia, Jones, Rojo, Lindelöf, Lingaard, Matic, Fellaini, McTomminay, Sanchez & Lukaku for starters)
( Darmian, Young, Valencia, Jones, Rojo, Lindelöf, Lingaard, Matic, Fellaini, McTomminay, Sanchez & Lukaku for starters)
Especially when there's a good chance anyone Jose signs will likely get added to the list of players we need to replace.
Gives us time to have a long hard look at whoever the next manager is going to be and make sure we get the right man. Its totally possible to sack Mourinho and get someone worse.
Lukaku is worth 164m EURO today according to CIES. Fred has lost transfer value with 2m EURO. So how is this overspending? We have made money on these two, if you include Pogba we have made even more. CIES is the most acknowledged source on the net btw.
Its not spending buying young or even mature players, its investing. Its spending buying an old player that will depreciate in value because of his age. I dont get why people in this day and age are referring to investment in players as "spending". Its a cash-issue, nothing else and there is nothing that indicates that there is not cash available for player investments under the Glazers. None.
Who cares about such silly numbers. No one is going to pay 164m for Luakku
There's no chance he's getting another penny. His job is gone when we can't reach CL for next season which we won't.
Save the cash and get a plan in place. Jose is done. Game has moved on and left him behind sadly.
Save the cash and get a plan in place. Jose is done. Game has moved on and left him behind sadly.
I’m sure you posted this the other day in another thread.
Any website that says Lukuku is worth €164m is plain and simply WRONG. how on earth can you put any stock in anything that has put that value on him - what a complete load of BS, can you not see that? There’s not a club in the world that would even pay €100m for him - it’s a futile exercise to actually put values on these players, but let’s be honest, if we were selling him we would bite anyone’s hand off who would pay what we did for him.
We've backed him, now its time to sack him.
Let's hope some silly chairman/President takes note of CIES when we flog Lukaku. We'd be lucky to get €64m, nevermind €164m...
Rather set fire to the money.
Lol.. posts like this make me pass out laughing. Some people really love their numbers. Messi costs €170 according to CIES. Compare the price of both and you see how laughable using such valuation for Lukaku is.
Lol.. posts like this make me pass out laughing. Some people really love their numbers. Messi costs €170 according to CIES. Compare the price of both and you see how laughable using such valuation for Lukaku is.
The only way Lukaku is worth €164m is if he's got a diamond the size of a grapefruit hidden up his arse
Depends how long the wait is. If it's too long without properly backing the manager, then it will affect our performance on the pitch. In fact, even 1 summer window, like we've seen last summer, is enough to put us considerably behind not only City, but also Liverpool, Chelsea and potentially Arsenal given how competitive the league is.
He was backed the first season, 2017 summer he wanted Perisic and Woodward didn't back him and last summer he got 1 first team signing (so 2 short from what he wanted reportedly). So no, I wouldn't say he has been entirely backed. Saying that, if Mourinho wanted experienced players who were close to already being on the decline, then I can see why the board didn't back that. But that should have been made clear months before the transfer window opened so that players who fit what both Mourinho and the board wanted could be targeted. A DOF could well be the solution for that but that discussion is for another thread.
Is it better to give Mourinho £200 million last summer then sack him this summer then spend £200 million on a new coach's players?
Or see how Mourinho does with all the money he's already been given +1 CB in Jan and if he doesnt do much better, bring in a new manager that we've properly researched and give him £200 million to mould his own team rather than inherit a bunch of physical players we overspend on and then the next manager valuing something else makes them squad players or gets rid of them?
Even though I think we're best moving on from Mourinho and finding a better, attacking coach to let spend all our money - I'm yet to be completely convinced that we shouldnt wait until the summer because it can be hard for a new manager to come in, get Mourinho's players onside and start moulding his own side without buying a bunch of players. And to me thats the most important part.
When we make the change we need to do so with the mentality of helping the new coach succeed and I think that starts with having a fresh start in the summer and getting the right players in to move in the direction he wants.
whaaaaaaaaaaaa?
My heart just skipped a beat with excitement although Fergie doesn't look at all alright for something like this.
Tbf, I would rather put stock in in a well-esteemed source like CIES that uses advanced algorithms to calculate transfer values than Caf members that always underestimate our own players. But I would wage on that his value is probably pretty close to that if you take a look at CIES track record.
And its not a result of Lukaku blowing the league up or anything, even if he had stats last year that were pretty good. Its mostly because of the inflation of the transfer market.
This wasnt even really my point though. I was trying to make the point that its wrong to view investments in players as expenditure or cost. As is done here over and over again. Its really not "spending" money.
Btw, I am probably Lukakus biggest critic on here as a football player, at least under Mourinho. But this post was never about that to begin with. It was to debate this stupid thread headline that the club is prepared to back Mourinho with 100m in the January window and everyone taking this like the Glazers are going to spend this. They are not, they are going to invest it and it might even make money for them in the long run if they do so. Which they know of course, and its also why there is not a real argument that we have ever lacked money for investment in the team.
This man has gotten alot of the players hes asked for. We cant sign everyone he wants. No club ever does. We tried to sign Perisic but the price was prohibitive. We also had a go at Maguire, same reason as Perisic as to why it didnt happen. All clubs fail to sign some players. City with Jorginho, Sanchez and Fred. Chelsea with Lukaku, Pool with Fekir. Don't hear their managers screaming to the hills about not being backed. 400 million is far from not being backed. Mind that doesnt even involved the huge outlay for Sanchez.
That Cies lukaku 164m thing sounds like what Jose meant when he said people that quote stats don't know football. That's one stat that's so far from reality it's almost astonishing
Well said. I'm not even sure why this still needs explaining tbh.
Poco and the loco's are a difficult bunch to deal with. Its as if Mou has been working in the infamous 'value' era.
Fair point. Mourinho's signings have been pretty hit and miss. But Mourinho inherited a pretty poor side. CB was even weaker than it was now, Shaw was still injured so our first choice LB was Blind, we had several dead weight players in midfield, no RW and our attacking options were an over the hill Rooney and a 20 and 18 year old Martial and Rashford. So major investment was needed either way you look at it and it doesn't help that we have to pay over the top for every player.
I agree, it's a tough call. But being indecisive is imo the biggest mistake. If the board feel like Mourinho should be kept on, then he should be backed with signings that fit Mourinho's philosophy but also the long term interests of this club. If the board decide for a more attack minded manager, then so be it. That's why I believe it's important to have a DOF to decide the type of players we should targeting and help mediate between the board and manager. What we're seeing right now is a disparity in the profile of players we should be targeting and it's not doing us any favours on the pitch.
I think he'll get a CB in Jan. Probably not the ones people want because they wont be available. But someone expensive who hopefully wont be out on their ass when a new manager comes in.
I’ve actually published articles on football finance. I’m not going to reveal what they are. But seriously, think about that figure - it would make him the 2nd or 3rd most expensive player of all time behind exceptional players like Neymar and Mbappe - who are also a commercial dream. He has limited commercial value and is not a World Class player, and doesn’t have the potential to be in that class. I honestly can’t see another top team who would actually want Lukuku. Supply/demand. If you believe he’s worth €164m, then you are living in cloud cuckoo land.
Good point - it’s like Moyes coming in and looking at a team who won the title by 11 points, and deciding they need to run more as their running stats weren’t as good as other teams in the league.
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