Or that they preferred signing mcallister for a much lower fee and on much lower wages.
Manchester United name John Murtough as Football Director and Darren Fletcher as Technical Director
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Imagine you give yourself a pat on the back.
I’m not a Mount fan but I’d rather pay a premium for him than Mac Alister who is a limited player with a good engine IMO. Not worried at all about what he will bring to Liverpool if he was half the price.
Limited in what way? He excels in multiple positions!
Isn’t he obviously far more versatile than almost every other PL midfielder, including Mount?
Seems really odd to call him limited when he was a key player playing DM, 8 and 10 last season in Brighton’s best ever PL season!
Also really odd that ETH wasn’t in for him given his preference for players who can play multiple positions. I really do think it’ll be one that comes back to bite Utd.
Rating player is different, you rate player when you watch them and something about them impresses you. Not rating player is different, especially players from other clubs as you won't be focusing on player. You will be focusing more on the game (usually) and the flow of the game.
Not exactly sure what is being honest with yourself means, the way I see, people should be open for correction and fine tune their opinions with more relevant content rather than sticking to lazy opinions formed by watching few games here and there, with the entire focus elsewhere, when I watched Chelsea, I for sure didn't focus on Mount. It was more on opponent and the Felix or in the past Reece James, or Kante. So my opinion on Mount is not really well informed as I wasn't interested on the player, so the chances of him impressing me is minimal as my focus wasn't on the player at all.
You don't have to agree with everything manager says or does but when you see 3 of the top managers wanting the same player, the player you don't rate highly then there is nothing wrong in revisiting on how you rated the player, then watch more analysis on the player to form a better informed opinion.
I don't know why people should be so stubborn on their opinion, especially it's more or less lazy opinions.
At least in my case, I never thought of Mount as someone who is press resistant or player who is capable of playing on half-turn. Then when you watch his analysis videos, it's more visible how good he is at receiving pass on half turn or his ability to carry the ball in tighter space. So should I change my opinion on Mount's ability on receiving passes on half turn or stick to my lazy analysis/opinion on Mount when I never concentrated on the player when watching Chelsea, as Mount didn't play a single game for ManUtd?
I don't have problem with people who stick to their guns, just find it weird they think changing opinion is wrong, especially when you consume so much content for weeks on single player.
Yeah I'm not for or against him tbh, just thought you left out that very minor detail..
It depends on how you want to see it, but there were strong links regarding Liverpool's interest in Mount. It did not take long for Mount to decide on Manutd, though.
Liverpool moved on, knowing that they won't get him.
touche, fair comment, I see what you mean, i will edit that. But also it is possible all those things are also true.
No. Just no.
That is an absurd about tbf.
Woodward would have paid the original £80m asking price that Chelsea wanted
Compared to that, Murtough is levels above.
Even though I’m not over excited at signing Mount, I am excited about seeing what ETH can do with him and best maximise his attributes.
I’m pretty certain fans who say they like a player because ETH likes them are implying that they are happy to see what ETH can do with them. Because to be fair, we had a number of players who looked absolutely shite or finished before ETH came. ETH was able to drastically turn their performances around. ETH clearly knows what he is doing hence I would trust his judgment many times over than my own no matter how shite I think a player is.
By now, I have completely convinced myself that they are!
I would worry about Mac Allister being another system player like all the Dortmund duds we've bought over the years. At least with Mount, you know he can do it at a high level in a number of systems.
There's also not a huge amount between the two:
Where they really differ is key passes and duel success rate. Given that difference, I think it's fair to assume that EtH has plans specific plans to use Mount in a more advanced role which mirrors Bruno alongside him in midfield.
The key difference between Liverpool and everyone else is that the scousers have a couple of brilliant playmakers on either side of the pitch (TAA and Robertson) so they're mostly looking for defensive solidity in the middle. United are going for the opposite, with our solidity coming from Shaw/AWB, and creativity in the middle.
Mac Allister is an absurdly versatile midfielder, I’m not sure what you’re protesting here. Other than he’s signed for dippers so you think acknowledging the blatantly obvious is some kind of ‘anti Mount’ sentiment.
He’s famously capable of playing multiple positions and is technically proficient in all of them.
He might (hopefully) end up a worse signing than Mount, but to deny the fact that he’s anomalously versatile is very odd.
I would worry about Mac Allister being another system player like all the Dortmund duds we've bought over the years. At least with Mount, you know he can do it at a high level in a number of systems.
There's also not a huge amount between the two:
Where they really differ is key passes and duel success rate. Given that difference, I think it's fair to assume that EtH has plans specific plans to use Mount in a more advanced role which mirrors Bruno alongside him in midfield.
The key difference between Liverpool and everyone else is that the scousers have a couple of brilliant playmakers on either side of the pitch (TAA and Robertson) so they're mostly looking for defensive solidity in the middle. United are going for the opposite, with our solidity coming from Shaw/AWB, and creativity in the middle.
Mac Allister has just had a season where he’s played under Potter, then gone to the WC and shone at the highest level (winning the World Cup in the process) and then returning and played multiple positions very well in Di Zerbi’s new Brighton.
He is obviously one of the most versatile midfielders in the PL and is capable of shining in multiple different systems as he’s literally just shown in one season.
I don’t think changing an opinion is wrong. As I’ve said repeatedly. I’ve said I’m not changing my opinion on a player because he signs for Manchester United. And the extent to which you have watched Mount or what attention you have paid to him is personal to you and has nothing to do with me. I’m comfortable that I’ve watched him plenty, and I simply have an opinion on him. That’s it. I have an opinion of Fabinho. If Fabinho joined us this evening, if someone asked me what I think of him, it would be exactly the same as my answer would have been yesterday. Naturally. Not ‘stubbornly’, but like - obviously. Does that mean that it can’t change? No. But for it to change, I’d simply need to watch him more, and for him to change my mind.
Mount hasn’t kicked a ball since being linked with us, yet you have some sort of issue that my view on a PL England international hasn’t suddenly changed simply because 3 top managers (allegedly, and to varying degrees) apparently want him. Why would that be relevant to ME? If that mattered, I’d have changed my mind long ago simply on the basis that Thomas Tuchel and Gareth Southgate think he’s great. And again, I think he’s pretty good too anyway. Not in the very top tier, as is my right. Ten Hag and Van Gaal apparently see something in Weghorst. So what, that’s good for them.
Did you just try and make a comeback by making a lazy insinuation that we are against any "anti mount" sentiment? Just look at the eye test, and consider Mac Alister has been great for one season. Mount was Chelsea player of the year 2 out of 3 seasons and is in the top 5 most creative players in the league.
Ok… what’s that got to do with Mac Allister’s supposed lack of versatility?
It’s nothing to do with it, is it.
Maybe cool off on declaring him the greatest thing ever until he's done it for more than one season.
Last year he was a bang average midfielder whose only notable attribute was his name.
Fair enough, I would have have preferred mcallister even at the same price personally. Seems a big risk to buy mount to playat 8 when he has barely played there let alone to try him on a double pivot
Looks like you have turned this entire argument to make it look like "I have a problem with people who didn't change their opinion", that's not anywhere close to the truth.
So the bold part, that's the argument I made. People change their opinions when they focus on player more, watching lot of analysis videos and individual performance videos. They will learn much more about the player which makes them to form informed opinion rather than have a lazy one.
But how often has mount actually played as an 8, let alone played well? My guess is the few times he has played as an 8 he would have played with two defensive midsI would worry about Mac Allister being another system player like all the Dortmund duds we've bought over the years. At least with Mount, you know he can do it at a high level in a number of systems.
There's also not a huge amount between the two:
Where they really differ is key passes and duel success rate. Given that difference, I think it's fair to assume that EtH has plans specific plans to use Mount in a more advanced role which mirrors Bruno alongside him in midfield.
The key difference between Liverpool and everyone else is that the scousers have a couple of brilliant playmakers on either side of the pitch (TAA and Robertson) so they're mostly looking for defensive solidity in the middle. United are going for the opposite, with our solidity coming from Shaw/AWB, and creativity in the middle.
When did I say Mac Allister is not versatile?
Im saying he's not more so than Mount, and he's not as established as Mount and I am saying Mount is the better player.
You think Mount is positionally more versatile than Mac Allister?
It’s a fair suggestion. He’s played out wide, along with multiple midfield roles. Not sure on McAllister. Is he similar?
You did that on your own. From your very first contribution to it. An hour ago it was apparently some form of arrogance and ego/lack of humility to not simply ‘accept that your view on a player is wrong’. Now I’m apparently implying that you ‘have a problem with those who don’t change their opinion’.
I’ll just wait until he turns out for us. I’m not obligated to complete a module on a footballer before I hold a view. A PL England international is enough exposure for me to feel comfortable in deciding whether or not I have an opinion on their level. I’ve watched no analysis videos on De Bruyne, but I rate him. If your opinion on Mount is lazy then fine, but you speak for yourself.
A view is just a view, if it changes - it changes, it’s not that serious. I am happy to accept that my view is a view prior to having watched hours of Youtube videos on Mason Mount if it makes people happy. It’s just a view on having watched the player plenty of times. I’ve not submitted to his Wikipedia or anything, it’s just my impression of him. Which I repeat, is not a fecking negative one.
I'm almost sure that he has been used a fair amount of times as an attacking midfielder "widish". But I don't think that it is at the same level of performance than Mount.
According to transfermarkt he's had 34 appearances for Chelsea in CM (all seasons) and 9 for England (all seasons) in CM.
Would note that their positions can be a bit off at times, so it could be a bit more or less.
You're right that he has played as a no.8 mainly when he is the only and most attacking midfielder but he has played in similar set ups alongside a more attacking no.8 on a few occasions across his career. The handful of times I recall would be with Havertz/Barkely at Chelsea or alongside Foden for England. It's not a set up he's played in much but it's not completely new to him.
Look who published the latest Murtough article, blatantly obvious it is Murtough himself drip feeding the information to Luckhurst. Basically could feed him whatever he wants and it would be published, then lapped up by the Caf.
Also, we probably lost out on Sesko as he favoured the move to Leipzig. We've overpaid for plenty of other players in transfer fees and wages under his scope. He's incompetent and we'll only start being taken serious when we have competent people in the right positions.
Yes, its not really a debate. Mac Alister has at best dabbled in a 10 but otherwise been a 6.
Why would anyone want Martial ?
Maybe we all need to calm down and accept the possibility MacAllister preferred to go to Liverpool and Mount preferred to join Man Utd. We paid a bit of English tax so get over it. Leaves us we can buy another overseas player in the short to long term.
Mac Alister has been an attacking midfielder for most of his career and rarely a 6 before this season.
Well, if pascell and the Caf says Murtough's incompetent then who am I to question it.
It's not my problem if you make up things in your head or turn some generic post into attack on you.
Completely agree.
Kind of misses the point, I can accept we overpaid for Mount but my point is its a risk spending a significant chunk of our budget on a player who has rarely played in the position we are mainly signing them for.
You're right - mainly the 10 this last season.
It's his best season but its 10 goals 2 assists and he's the PK taker. If anything its a reflection of how criminally underrated Mount is when we have posters claiming MacAlister > Mount because I dont know, banter.
Whoa just whoa. United ended their interest in Sesko when RB staff went to Salzburg and gave them a talking too and next he was heading to Leipzig for the FFP busting /under the table/ "Do what i tell ya sum" of 20m. If this was a fair run we would have outbid Leipzig, but this was everything other than a fair fight.
I blame United staff a lot but I don't not blame them on this one.
Sesko along with Naby Keita, Marcel Sabitzer, Dayot Upamecano and Dominik Szoboszlai all previously moved to Leipzig after being developed at Salzburg. Do you not remember Salzburg fans tweeting you can have Sesko for 300m plus Bruno ? Then they buckled for 20m when Daddy Leipzig walked into the room.