Moyes brought Murtough in.
Ole maintains his veto power over transfers.
Manchester United name John Murtough as Football Director and Darren Fletcher as Technical Director
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Ole maintains his veto power over transfers.
you didn't mention that at all.
Besides, from what I've read, Fletcher role will be more in providing inputs on the footballing aspects of potential players, which I think he's quite knowledgeable.
Also, he knows what it takes to be a United player given that he rose up from academy to a key player in probably one of our greatest side in history
Whether you like it or not Woodward IS the Abramovich of Manchester United. He is the Glazers right hand man, and they're obviously happy with his job.
He isn't going anywhere soon, so this is the way it has to be structured. Woodward is the boss, the others will report to him.
At least they're making moves to take the football side of things out of his hands, which is exactly what we've been asking for.
Could well be a decent guy for the role but with Woodward at the helm I find it hard to get excited by anything that happens behind the scenes. Pitchforks will be out in August if we've had yet another lackluster summer window.
First I've heard of that. Source?
Our youth transfer record has definitely improved, if he has had anything to do with that and could do similar things for the first XI.
He's been the head of the youth development program, among players that's come through under his administration is Henderson, Rashford and Greenwood, so who knows, maybe he's up to some good.
Good news.
At least we have the position now, give him a chance and if he's no good we can get somebody else.
It's a step in the right direction. Fletcher is the more questionable appointment for me.
At least we have the position now, give him a chance and if he's no good we can get somebody else.
It's a step in the right direction. Fletcher is the more questionable appointment for me.
Give us a second here, I'm just about to find out my views on this
Finally, the moment alot of us has been waiting for! This is a big structular change and I'm really curious on how things will change. It's a step in the right direction and hopefully both Murtough and Fletcher will do a great job in their respective poositions.
Very true. As one of the journo's said they could be very good appointments IF allowed to work they want to under Woodward.
A low cost appointment as opposed to getting in a big name. But let’s hope he is more than a placeholder for the role.
This is the key part of this. In reality it appears to be nothing more than a slight restructure/tweaking of the existing model, but as you say the position has now been created, however the fact that people seem to be thinking 'well, we can just replace him if he's crap' is exactly what I've been saying on here for years. This position offers no guarantee of improvement and is just as prone to failure as any manager role would be. This tidies up the structure but it also adds risk.
Lacklustre summer in terms of spending is already assured due to the impact of COVID on our finances.
Hopefully we can find the players we need for a reasonable fee (or leverage a few contract situations to our advantage). Other than City, Chelsea and PSG, everyone else will be struggling financially, too.
It's difficult to know how significant the changes will be given that they're internal but it's positive that there's at least an acknowledgement of how inefficient we have been in the last decade. It's not just that we've recruited poorly and regularly overpaid in fees and salaries but also how slow everything has been, it's always seemed as if people have the club have been working on recruitment and improving the team around the other parts of their roles rather than it being their main focus. So to have people who are assigned to make these decisions and everyone's roles to be slightly clearer to us as fans is a good thing and hopefully will lead to us getting better results.
So If I am reading this right: we are moving some people already at the club into newly created vital roles that they have no experience in?
To go along with a first team manager and coaches who are also learning on the job?
We are being fobbed off.
To go along with a first team manager and coaches who are also learning on the job?
We are being fobbed off.
And? Bayern is full of ex players. They proved their worth over time and internally showed why they got the job. It's the right thing to do to go internal.
I feel like some people just wanted to see a name like Franco Baldini or something, and getting an English name is "boring". None of us know what the actual day to day operations of how everything is handled, no point in getting annoyed in the slightest over who the appointment is as we also have no clue on who is actually good or what effect these others have had in other clubs. A clubs success can be down to a variety of factors. The luck of stumbling on a coach like Pep for Barca combined with getting a golden generation of players come through led to Barca being arguably the best side of all time 2009-2012. A mixture of Sir Alex plus our class of 92 led to our dominance for the next 20 years, not necessarily the structure behind him. Liverpool struck gold with Klopp, is it the structure behind him getting it all right or would it be another failure if it was any other manager? We'll see with time what impact these appointments make. None of us know how suited they actually are for the positions nor what stability and improvements they'll provide. Will take years to actually see the impact.
Can't say the names and their background make me overly optimistic but at least we're showing intent. Hopefully it works but will probably take a year or two before we can see the real impact as with any big corporate overhaul.
I just want us to decide on our targets now and focus on getting them in before end of July.
I just want us to decide on our targets now and focus on getting them in before end of July.
6 pages already! Hot off the press!
Happy the position has finally be made, and the rest will take time to see whether the bodies in place are successful enough or not.
Happy the position has finally be made, and the rest will take time to see whether the bodies in place are successful enough or not.
But it doesn’t really does it. If he still has the final say on all footballing decisions, we’ve basically just given out some pay rises and job titles.
As happy as i am that we have some more defined roles. The cynic in me can't help but think this is just another mess up in terms of creating an insular echo chamber of Manchester United men. I'm no fan of having our first team coaching backroom staff comprised of Carrick and Mckenna, and it feels like we've gone the exact same route with this. Instead of going out and getting some of the best guys in the business we've yet again hired people internally. I understand the logic in getting people in who know the United way, and I'm a huge huge Fletcher fan and feel like he is very intelligent but I really hope we haven't gone about this the wrong way.
I always liked the way Sir Alex brought in the likes of Quieroz and Meulensteen from outside the club to bring fresh ideas and external experience of different and often better ways of doing things. I just hope we haven't messed this up by being too insular. (Aka the way Liverpool were when they appointed Kenny etc). I genuinely hope it works out well for us.
I always liked the way Sir Alex brought in the likes of Quieroz and Meulensteen from outside the club to bring fresh ideas and external experience of different and often better ways of doing things. I just hope we haven't messed this up by being too insular. (Aka the way Liverpool were when they appointed Kenny etc). I genuinely hope it works out well for us.
Couldn't agree more. Absolutely nonsensical 'appointments' and the club continues its downward spiral under Woodward and the Glazers.
There will be no change, it just solidifies continuation of this hopeless direction we're going in.
This might end up being correct, but we should at least try to retain some optimism until proven otherwise!
I’m sure this been posted already but what is Riggs going to do now?
I'd have loved to see the reaction you'd have had if you were an Ajax fan when VDS took over the CEO role of Ajax.
(Yes contrary to popular belief VDS is the CEO of Ajax and Overmars is the DOF)
You got me too
DOF threads on here have ruined me.For some reason that's the opposite for me. I like that Fletcher is there and feel like he will bring something to the table. It's clear that they see something in him, as he didn't last long in the coaching role, but saw something bigger in him. Apparent maybe, shouldn't say clear.
DOF still have to sign off on decisions at which ever club theyre at
Lackluster in terms of spending in one thing. Lackluster in terms of approach and chasing shadows all summer though is completely unforgivable. If you can't afford a certain player, make it clear and swiftly move onto other targets.
Just because he's above them doesn't mean he will be double checking their work and making sure he signs off on it before it's done.
It's probably more like "hi Ed, we need 5m to complete a wonderkid signing, give old Joel a ring for us will you?"
Woodward has made it clear he has no interest in the football side of things. so he'll let them get on with it. It's a good thing.
I think the question I have that many might share is what will actually change with first team recruitment? Will it be the same long drawn out summer transfer windows or will we be more efficient and move quickly for our targets. I presume that any transfer still needs board approval and the go ahead from the glazers in Florida. I suppose and I hope that the terrible contracts handed out in the past to Jones and Rojo will hopefully stop. It’s hard not to be cynical but I’m hoping that this is a positive move.
That I agree with. Another summer spent in a pointless game of chicken with Dortmund over Sancho, would be rather frustrating.
We are not Ajax.
Ajax's focus is the development of their youth with a view to selling, not competing in a global transfer market.
Or maybe that is where Woodward/Glazer's are pushing us now - a lot of talk about 'youth' in Murtough's quotes.
John Murtough is promoted. He sounds like a tough guy.