That is not up to the Glazers to be honest, they do not pick the targets they just provide the funds.
Manchester United fans plan anti-Glazer protest if club fails to make world-class signings
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That is not up to the Glazers to be honest, they do not pick the targets they just provide the funds.
How do you blame the Glazers for that ? Odd.
The people who were behind it this time were spoilt children.
United fans of 40 years + gave up season tickets in 2005. Some formed a new team, some only do aways (some do both) and others gave up football all together.
They had perfectly legitimate concerns back then, they felt a group of people who have put nothing into the club benefiting from the clubs finances was wrong. They are only spending what the club earns, they still haven't put a penny of their own money into the club, they'll still pocket some of YOUR money at the end of this season.
This ownership model is wrong.
Every penny the club makes should be re - invested. Fan ownership is the way forward. It works in Germany.
I'm pretty sure they put some money in.
Also, in this world it matters who you know, they were able to secure loans. If you could put in some of your own money, maybe a hundred million or two and also then secure loans for the rest, you could also have purchased the football club.
Also, you could buy shares in the club so you also financially benefit from our money, we don't mind.
I know I may get a stick for this but here we go.
So far the Glazers are not that bad of owners. Sure they raised the ticket prices, but so did many other clubs. They look at United as a huge investment and surely they will have to pocket dividend as this is what is all about.
But over the years they provided funds for transfers, yes we are not spending like the likes of City, Chelsea, Real and Barca but we didn't need to as we had Fergie and we were hugely sucessfull.
Last year we bought Fellaini only in the Summer but we were reigning champions. Things didn't go well and we bought Mata for a record fee in January, then we finished 7th and now this Summer so far we've outspend everyone.
In addition the money available are sure based on their work attracting sponsorship deals, which as well are hugely successful like the recent deal with Adidas, which is more than Real are getting. It's not like we don't splash money on salaries either.
I know that we have huge debt, but let's be fair how many people in the world can buy a club like United without debt? And even if they can, will they not back their investment with the club's assets? I don't think so.
Let's be reasonable here, you have to invest in the club to protect your investment. So far the Glazers have done so. Of course they will pocket a dividend, but that IMO more stable structure than being owned by a sugar daddy. Look what happened to Anzhi, Malaga and others.
Have they?
You are in correct in some ways, however the argument was (and still is) that we never needed to be taken over in these circumstances. We were self sufficient then and should still be now.
For many of the "original" protesters in 2005, it was about a lot more than what the team were spending on transfers something was lost that was far more important than whether we had a high transfer net spend or not. They have out priced and disillusioned a generation of fans. The Glazers were the final straw, the Premier League on the whole represented something they didn't like where local communities and grass roots football were an after thought as long as teams were making money.
Well the club has to move with the flow. It's all about money nowadays and we have to understand that. With the commercialization of the Premier League more and more evident it's clear that this was bound to happen. We have to move with the times or we will be left behind, it's not about romanticism nowadays. United was PLC after the 90's so it's not like it wasn't bound to happen as well. Everything has a price and the Glazers matched it.
Today is a huge challenge to manage a huge club like United in terms of stability, finances, etc..
Except money has been spent anytime it's been needed. Who shall we believe, Ferguson or a couple of moronic fans who want to shit on the Glazers? Ferguson claims he was NEVER turned down regarding any player he was aiming for. He spent whenever he needed to. Difference with Ferguson was that he felt he didn't need to spend more than what he did and he got the job done, title after title a few CL final's as well as a CL title. Ferguson was a special case.
Now he's left and so far Moyes broke our transfer record and now 6 months later van Gaal has broke it again. Absolute bollocks are we making a problem, people just want to shit on the Glazers for the sake of it. Football is a business just like any other business out there. You're living in a fantasy world if you think we'll ever be lucky enough to get not only great owners but one's that don't ever want to make a profit for themselves. The Glazers have every right to take money out of the club, they brought it and they own it. None of what they've done has harmed out club, results stayed the same on the pitch, title after title proves it. And now that we're struggling on the pitch, guess what is happening? We're spending big amounts of money to put it right, yet here we still have more fecking people complaining and talking about protests, failing to realise how incredible we've got it with the club we support. The same people that love to ignore how there's basically no bigger club off of the pitch right now and the great things the Glazers have actually done to reap massive amounts of profit. World record Adidas deals among plenty more. But hey, apparently business people are bad for wanting to make a profit for themselves, makes sense.
Maybe now people protest because we didn't get enough value for money.
Blame the Glazers for Perez taking advantage of our desperation.
Blame the Glazers for Perez taking advantage of our desperation.
Take a bow son.
It's not about what SAF says. It's about just looking at the situation. Two fact 1) we have a worse squad than our rivals 2) 700m has been taken out of club profits in the last ten years while two rivals have had the best part of 1 billion poured into theirs. Fair enough if you want to think there's no link between these two facts
We are out of the woods financially now and I would like to see the revenue money spent on the club now (as it appears to be), I don't want to see it being removed from the club in any other way
in as far as where we are as a 'club' you are correct. That is really the tragedy isn't it? The club is gone and it is business. I hope we buy as many players as needed to win it all.
How did I miss this thread? What nonsense is this?
Why not protest outside Ferguson or Moyes' house for spending a great proportion of the money so stupidly?
Why not protest outside Ferguson or Moyes' house for spending a great proportion of the money so stupidly?
We still need a world class DCM. More than we needed Di Maria (who we desperately needed)
Your number one fact has nothing what so ever to do with the Glazers. Ferguson had any funds available that he wanted, didn't need more than what he spent though and got the job done. Now the squad isn't apparently good enough and we're spending whatever we need to fix that. Explain how you can criticise the Glazers for the squad issues? Please, feel free to show me how it's their fault where we are squad wise.
I'm not even touching on the apparent fact two because it makes no sense.
Fergie and David Gill are equally to blame. I am not sure what Fergie was thinking. It could be that he did not want to spend any money so that he could give the new boss a significant amount of money to repair the squad and then the moyes fiasco happened. Now we are spending that money.
As bad as the glazers are in getting the club in debt, they have been most professional. All this anti glazer protest is nonsense. Ed Woodward and Glazers deserve a bit of respect. They have kept their word.
As bad as the glazers are in getting the club in debt, they have been most professional. All this anti glazer protest is nonsense. Ed Woodward and Glazers deserve a bit of respect. They have kept their word.
It's to be hoped we have got it right this summer, because sure as hell we won't be throwing £200 million at it next summer if it goes tits up again.
Fully expect next summer to be a break even job, to get the spending back on a sustainable level.
Fully expect next summer to be a break even job, to get the spending back on a sustainable level.
I have no problem with how the glazers have ever acted as backers of our manager. I just think it should be no surprise that we have a worse squad than our rivals given the 700m gone from the club. SAF didn't need a very good first eleven to win the league, but other managers will, and thus there is a clear correlation between us investing vastly less than rivals and our squad presently being worse.
That last statement can coexist with the statement that 'SAF didn't need to spend to win' and can coexist with the statement 'SAF was given all the money he needed'. Just because those two things are true doesn't mean we now don't need to invest now. If we aren't being very successful, I think it's important that we push the revenue money to be spent on the club rather than leaving the club. It's simple and at no point does it really need the argument that 'saf was lying, he clearly wasn't backed'.
We have a human manager now, not even an amazing one, and our squad is already a step behind City's and Chelsea's, not to mention the better clubs of the world. There should be pressure there to use our financial might, the money that fans put into the club, to further the club, at least get us back into europe, should there not?
Fergie was aware of our squad deficiencies and was looking to solve them. He'd lined Strootman, Thiago and Garay. Imagine our squad today plus these 3 names...
Yeah, wether it was Moyes dithering or Woodward it's quite incredible what a feck up last summer was. Fergie said we had issues in midfield and was looking to fix it.
How on gods earth can any United fan back or even give credit to anything the Glazers have done? They bought a club and put it into debt. Have bled the club dry and lined thier own pockets by screwing the fans. A good search on the internet will be able to demonstrate how much the club has made since the Glazers took over (it was making money before hand so it's not down to them that the club makes a ton of cash) and how little of that has been re-invested in the club. The debt, whilst it hasn't crippled the club, could have bought so so much from players, further investment in youth, stadium upgrade or just keep ticket prices low. But no! the Glazers have made it their own cash cow.....and we have ***** on here supporting them!
Up until SAF retired we virtually won everything without spending a tonne of money. We have had one horrible season under Moyes and the Glaziers have coughed up the money to rebuild this team. There not perfect but they're really not that bad.
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But they HAVE to support the manager now - they can't afford not too! I get that they have spent a lot of money on players, but as owners of one of the larges clubs in the world, that is what is expected. It's the fans ignoring how better off the club could be if they hadn't put it into debt on day 1 and shafted the fans to pay for it. Outside of London, United is a bloody expensive day out for a game of football and the atmosphere in OT these days if rank as the old and bold signing, rowdy crowd have been forced out by day trippers with foam hands.