Manchester City under Pep Guardiola | Pep on City v Liverpool ref: "He likes to be special"

What's the difference between the PL and the CL? Why would it work in the league but not the PL? Chelsea were only worse than second in the league once between 2004 and 2011 and won it three times. I don't think there is really any relation between having home grown players and doing well in CL. I think winning the league is a much better and more reliable indicitaor of how good a team is. In the CL knockout stages, anything can happen. It doesn't always mean that the best team wins


The pressure in big games where you just have 1 or two games to decide things.

38 games in the league, doesn't matter if you lose one or two.

City are tactically and technically a world class team as good as Real Madrid and Barcelona.

They’re massively inferior mentally though. They couldn’t play last night. I suppose they could batter Liverpool at home and go though, proving me wrong. I wouldn’t be surprised if Liverpool win that game too though.

Look at Utd against Juventus all those years ago. That is character. Buying a team of stars will only get you so far.

That is why I think Madrid will win the champions league again this year. They are the best big game team I’ve ever seen.
 
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TBF to him, how long has it been since hes spent money? 3 months? Thats a long time to go for this City team under Pep to not expect this.
 
Mourinho received tons of flak after the Sevilla debacle despite improving us a lot this year. If one is going to throw criticism, at least be consistent with how it is thrown.

Well the tie isn't over yet and as I previously said Pep has virtually won the league regardless of this result. That is the difference.
 
TBF to him, how long has it been since hes spent money? 3 months? Thats a long time to go for this City team under Pep to not expect this.
I don't know how His team managed to be on top of the league after not spending for 3 months.
Mad managerial skills, legend of football.
 
They've been over-rated for most of the season and most importantly, they've been over respected by lots of PL teams.

When it really, really mattered in a single game, they couldn't do anything.

And having effectively won the PL so early, the season will probably feel like a let down to a lot of Citeh fans, though they won't say so, not on here at least.

Most people would have had City as PL winners at the season start. Spending £500 Mill to add to what was already a decent squad guarantees domestic success. This is especially so when your nearest rivals are starting from a lower base & spending half as much. They will likely go big again in the Summer & retain the league. It won't be won as easy as this years though.

Most City fans will be desperately disappointed. Many were confident of winning the treble. The events last night showed though that they are in no way ready to take on Europe's elite. If Liverpool can do that to them what would happen when they faced the real big boys.
 
Well the tie isn't over yet and as I previously said Pep has virtually won the league regardless of this result. That is the difference.
What has winning the league got to do with last night's game?

The argument is the narrative painted by the press saying we got beaten by a team with a smaller budget and supposedly inferior players. Last night's game fit the narrative painted by the press perfectly. However, we don't see it making the headlines because Pep's the media's darling for playing "attacking football".
 
The pressure in big games where you just have 1 or two games to decide things.

38 games in the league, doesn't matter if you lose one or two.

City are tactically and technically a world class team as good as Real Madrid and Barcelona.

They’re massively inferior mentally though. They couldn’t play last night. I suppose they could batter Liverpool at home and go though, proving me wrong. I wouldn’t be surprised if Liverpool win that game too though.

Look at Utd against Juventus all those years ago. That is character. Buying a team of stars will only get you so far.

That is why I think Madrid will win the champions league again this year. They are the best big game team I’ve ever seen.

They have done nothing so far to support that.
 
What has winning the league got to do with last night's game?

The argument is the narrative painted by the press saying we got beaten by a team with a smaller budget and supposedly inferior players. Last night's game fit the narrative painted by the press perfectly. However, we don't see it making the headlines because Pep's the media's darling for playing "attacking football".

It has everything to do with it. If Jose was sitting in the same position as Pep is in the league then he wouldn't have got half the flack he got for the Seville defeat.
 
Man City seemed to be overwhelmed by the occasion, and in many ways it simply highlighted that this team has a way to go... however, let's see how the game evolves next week. I actually think the team will learn from this defeat, because it was a humiliating display. They seemed lost, all of them.
 
Can't believe few people think Pep deserves criticism like Jose got after Sevilla result. There is a reason why he isn't getting much criticism, the way his team played throughout the season and setting records, he deserves credit. 1 bad game won't change that. It's completely different with Jose.
 
It has everything to do with it. If Jose was sitting in the same position as Pep is in the league then he wouldn't have got half the flack he got for the Seville defeat.
Sorry but you miss out on my point.

I'm arguing on the basis of last night's performance and mistakes by Pep. What he did with the league is impressive but i'm speaking solely on last night's performance. Jose received tons of flack due to the shitty tactics that particular night. It wasn't an accumulation of events that led to that night.

Can't believe few people think Pep deserves criticism like Jose got after Sevilla result. There is a reason why he isn't getting much criticism, the way his team played throughout the season and setting records, he deserves credit. 1 bad game won't change that. It's completely different with Jose.
Can't believe you can't differentiate between one instance and an accumulation of instances that influences an event.
 
They have done nothing so far to support that.

They have walked the premier league, it was over before it even started.

16 points clear and 30 odd GD better than anyone else.

Madrid and Barcelona couldn't do much better than that.

They did drop 9 points I suppose, they can still finish with 105 though!

When they're out of the champions league 100 points is about all they will have to aim for the rest of the season.
 
They have walked the premier league, it was over before it even started.

16 points clear and 30 odd GD better than anyone else.

Madrid and Barcelona couldn't do much better than that.

They did drop 9 points I suppose, they can still finish with 105 though!

When they're out of the champions league 100 points is about all they will have to aim for the rest of the season.

Madrid and Barca beat superb teams regularly, City beating average to good teams won't make them as good as Barca and Madrid. Come out of PL bubble.
 
Must be an odd feeling for Guardiola to go up against a manager in Klopp that he has an inferior record against. Other than the game where Mane was sent off early on City have really struggled against Liverpool under him.

Really does feel like Klopp has his number.

I mean they've lost 3 games in a row at Anfield. That must be his worst record at any away ground? Interesting to see how he copes with it in the future.
 
As reposted in the CL Quarter Finals Thread, here is my views on why City completely underperformed in last night's game against Liverpool:

Now before anyone asks, I am not going to blame UEFA nor a small minority of Liverpool supporters who attacked the City team bus for our defeat. However I do see 2 reasons why we lost that game, the first of which is Pep putting players in the wrong position (which partly explains why we lost the midfield battle) such as putting KDB as a RW (instead of B.Silva if we were not going to start Sterling).

The bigger problem however is one that I have repeatingly banged on about both on this forum and on Bluemoon (and got banned because of it) all thoughout this season and even before the match. It is we simply lack the strength in depth needed to dominate a hard (by major European Football League standards), win the 2 domestic cups frequently and win the Champions League (on a regular basis) against teams which are more than a match for you. Especially if you play under Pep's system and all the fatigue/energy level issues you end up suffering from as the season drags on (1) every time.

This is the reason why D.Silva, KDB and Fernandinho were shadows of themsevles compared to their usual form (2), that is why Sane, Sterling and Jesus barely attacked the Liverpool defence, that is why Ederson was below par and that is why even Kompany was poor when it came to the defence side of things (not good when you are facing a front 3 like Liverpool's). Just as it was the same reason why we lost to Liverpool the last time round at Anfield, why we lost to Wigan in the FA Cup, why we lost to Basel in the Last 16 of the CL, why we struggled to reach the final of the League Cup and why we have been in poor form for too many games across the second half of the season and the main reason why I feel we will not win the Champions League this season, even if we get past Liverpool in the 2nd round. (3)

Likewise there are some which have criticised Pep for not being pragmatic enough to change his tatics in this match (an issue which also arose in various SF's under Barcelona and Bayern). Now while I understand those critcisms, the bigger issue for me is that if Pep was going to stick by his principles (despite it backfiring in previous Knockout Rounds) then why did not do enough to make sure there was enough strength in depth to deal with tough siutations like this rather than put a whole team of fatigued players (and the same being said with the bench) (4) against a highly motivated (5) team such as Liverpool last night.

(1) Still better than the Tony Pulis way of playing football, which for the record can only go so far as this season as shown. Likewise for anyone who wants to refer to our transfer spending in recent years, one must be reminded that in the age of 9 figure transfer fees, City spending £400+ million does not get you as much compared to what the likes of Chelsea spent in the Mid-2000s (and even they failed to get a CL out of that). So despite the large amounts that we have spent, we are still a long way from both dominating the domestic game and winning the CL on a regular basis as games like these have shown.

(2) I mean for FFS they lost the midfield battle to a midfield 3 of Ox, Henderson and Millner. That says it all...

(3) Which in itself requires the best performance of the season in the 2nd leg, even if it means putting out the youths against Tottenham and hope they perform against the odds.

(4) I would especially say that City have paid the price in their failure to get Sanchez, who would have been a very useful option in siutations such as this.

(5) Despite their shortfalls.
 
Can't believe you can't differentiate between one instance and an accumulation of instances that influences an event.

So you want media to criticise pep, a coach who is about to break most of the league records?

If he spent 400 million and made the team play like bunch of strangers, then sure but his team play like machine and they had an off day. It happens to even the best.
 
Love how when We play shit it's "Yeah We're second but look at this crap, shite football, despite being 2nd Mourinho OUT! Fecking shit manager".
But when it's City "Yeah They played like shit but They virtually have won the league".

Yeah, yeah, keep changing the narrative to fit whatever you want. City had 0 shot on target, They were as ineffective as us during most of games under Van Gaal. Accept it, They aren't as invincible as what you thought. They've only been this good for less than one season ffs and already people think as if They're the greatest English team ever.

Pep has done better than Jose, result wise. But He deserves as much as shits that Jose received after the game against Sevilla.
 
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So you want media to criticise pep, a coach who is about to break most of the league records?

If he spent 400 million and made the team play like bunch of strangers, then sure but his team play like machine and they had an off day. It happens to even the best.
Pep had a better season than Jose did and deserves the credit.

I'm speaking on last night's performance itself. Pep got it wrong, just like how Jose got it wrong the other night. United got flack for that sevilla game for being cowardly and etc. I don't see City receiving the same treatment.

Stick with the same narrative and stop shifting the goal post.
 
Pep had a better season than Jose did and deserves the credit.

I'm speaking on last night's performance itself. Pep got it wrong, just like how Jose got it wrong the other night. United got flack for that sevilla game for being cowardly and etc. I don't see City receiving the same treatment.

Stick with the same narrative and stop shifting the goal post.

Not my problem if you believe losing to Sevilla was the only reason Jose got so much criticism. It was built up for weeks and that was the game that finally opened the can.

For Pep it's exact 180 degree opposite. With the season he had, he has earned lot of credit and free pass for 1 or 2 poor games.
 
Man City seemed to be overwhelmed by the occasion, and in many ways it simply highlighted that this team has a way to go... however, let's see how the game evolves next week. I actually think the team will learn from this defeat, because it was a humiliating display. They seemed lost, all of them.
Watched the game earlier, I watched the Barca game last night. Those City players looked incredibly nervous before the game when the anthem was playing. Also watching them play, they looked lethargic. It looked like a serious case of nerves. Them saying the coach business didn't affect them. I don't believe it.
 
Not my problem if you believe losing to Sevilla was the only reason Jose got so much criticism. It was built up for weeks and that was the game that finally opened the can.

For Pep it's exact 180 degree opposite. With the season he had, he has earned lot of credit and free pass for 1 or 2 poor games.
I guess you have problems understanding simple math and logic.
 
St Pep will have better days, but when it doesn't go right for him, the mask slips and he'll throw a horrible strop. Heavens know what will the media'll do?!
 
His shortfall is that half a billion is not enough :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

As I've said before... no excuses for not winning everything. Regardless of comfortably taking the title, this season is a relative failure.
Lol, bloody hell. Two trophies is relative failure? If you set those sort of standards then everything but a quadruple is failure.
 
133m on fullbacks, 65m euros on Laporte, 31.5m on Otamendi, 47.5m on Stones and Pep still can't coach a defense.

65m Laporte had a horrid time against Salah while Ashley Young, a converted winger kept Salah in his pockets.

Imagine if Mourinho spend those money on attackers and couldn't score. We would never hear the end of it. Funny, pep isn't getting much shit from the media.
Best goal difference in the Premier League, conceded the fewest goals in the Premier League this season. I think he knows how to coach a defence.
 
If you're Ollie Holt, gloss over Pep's tactical feck-up:



Holt has a massive crush on Pep and a real dislike for Jose. He has some valid points on Jose at times but his obvious opinions clearly hinder him.

I'm pretty sure he goes on the piss any time United win, he had a meltdown when we beat Liverpool I think tweeting people at midnight getting defensive cos some were taking piss.
 
As reposted in the CL Quarter Finals Thread, here is my views on why City completely underperformed in last night's game against Liverpool:
I don't buy the fatigue argument, particularly given Klopp's team is said to suffer the exact same problem due to his high press tactics. Plus they have way less strength in depth.
 
What has winning the league got to do with last night's game?

The argument is the narrative painted by the press saying we got beaten by a team with a smaller budget and supposedly inferior players.
What's the budget difference between Utd/Sevilla & Liverpool/City?
 
As reposted in the CL Quarter Finals Thread, here is my views on why City completely underperformed in last night's game against Liverpool:

Centring your argument around fatigue and strength in depth is a difficult point to make.

Being tonked by Liverpool was a reality check for Manchester City. They have an opportunity to put it right, but historically speaking the best teams of their era seldom find themselves in the position that City now do after the first-leg.
 
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It wasn't one of those 1-0, 2-1 kind of losses that usually happen. They got thrashed 3-0 and they never looked like scoring themselves. It was truly a disaster performance by City and honestly, it surprised me.
All season long they've been killing teams left and right and this is how they turn up at Anfield, knowing they've already lost there this season once. It's weird how clueless they looked.
 
Best goal difference in the Premier League, conceded the fewest goals in the Premier League this season. I think he knows how to coach a defence.
3-0. Is okay to hog the ball against the lesser side. When it comes to better teams, we all saw what happen. Despite being us being shit for the home game against City, we gave you two goals AND could have equalize. The fragile nature of your defense is well known fact.

What's the budget difference between Utd/Sevilla & Liverpool/City?
Not excusing the shit performance. I'm merely stating what happened.
 
The surprising thing is against Spurs Ederson played passes over Spurs to avoid their press. Against Arsenal they played a decent amount of long balls to avoid their pressing. We did not see either of that against Liverpool in the first leg.
 
A little unfair. He was up against two individually better sides.

You're right, that's unfair. We all know Pep can't win unless he has the better team.
 
Holt has a massive crush on Pep and a real dislike for Jose. He has some valid points on Jose at times but his obvious opinions clearly hinder him.

I'm pretty sure he goes on the piss any time United win, he had a meltdown when we beat Liverpool I think tweeting people at midnight getting defensive cos some were taking piss.
holts a tosser if jose had dropped an in form attacker and put in a defensive midfielder he would have decried him an enemy of football prick
 
As usual Pep overthought it, analysed the 3-4 for days and weeks and came up with a perfect theoretical masterplan in his head instead of doing the tried and tested and it backfired spectacularly in practise.
 
Holt has a massive crush on Pep and a real dislike for Jose. He has some valid points on Jose at times but his obvious opinions clearly hinder him.

I'm pretty sure he goes on the piss any time United win, he had a meltdown when we beat Liverpool I think tweeting people at midnight getting defensive cos some were taking piss.
I can't decide who's worse. Holt or Guillem Balague. Both are so far up Pep's arse it's incredible.