Man who burned Quran shot dead in Sweden

[UnofficialDevil]

Not defending murder of course but probably a bad idea to burn a Quran right outside of a mosque, just as it would be to burn a bible outside a church or whatever other equivalents there are. You're asking to get attacked by a random psychopath at that point.

I very much doubt burning a Bible anywhere would get you killed.

 

[YouOnlyLiveTwice]

If you cant criticize religion or burn one of their books in without being at the risk of getting killed, you have a serious problem in any serious democratic country. I hate the thought of walking around these extremist backwards idiots, wether they are christian muslim or jewish.

 

[hasanejaz88]

Yeah he burned a book, so obviously he totally deserved to die.

He didn't deserve to die but don't expect me to shed a tear about it. And he was a much bigger c*nt than just that book burning.

 

[ArjenIsM3]

If you cant criticize religion or burn one of their books in without being at the risk of getting killed, you have a serious problem in any serious democratic country. I hate the thought of walking around these extremist backwards idiots, wether they are christian muslim or jewish.

Sweden has a massive immigration and integration problem, even more so than other European countries.

 

[YouOnlyLiveTwice]

Sweden has a massive immigration and integration problem, even more so than other European countries.

I'm very aware, i live only a bridge away. We had one of these idiots too who travelled around the country burning The Quran, our polticians then made it illegal to burn any religious books (which im very much against) to appease muslim countries who had people throwing a fit over the burnings.

 

[bosnian_red]

I'm very aware, i live only a bridge away. We had one of these idiots too who travelled around the country burning The Quran, our polticians then made it illegal to burn any religious books (which im very much against) to appease muslim countries who had people throwing a fit over the burnings.

Burning a religious book is a hate crime I'd say, so I think it's very fair to make it illegal. What are you trying to do in doing that other than tile up people to the point of violence? Is it legal to publicly wear a Nazi uniform? Is it legal to publicly wear a KKK uniform? (Genuinely asking here, no idea but it seems like it should be illegal). Freedom of speech doesn't mean you are free to commit hate crimes.

 

[bosnian_red]

I very much doubt burning a Bible anywhere would get you killed.

Eh I'm sure there's plenty of rural places in the states where if you burn the bible outside of a church that you probably wouldn't be safe.

 

[YouOnlyLiveTwice]

Burning a religious book is a hate crime I'd say, so I think it's very fair to make it illegal. What are you trying to do in doing that other than tile up people to the point of violence? Is it legal to publicly wear a Nazi uniform? Is it legal to publicly wear a KKK uniform? (Genuinely asking here, no idea but it seems like it should be illegal). Freedom of speech doesn't mean you are free to commit hate crimes.

I doubt its illegal to wear a nazi or kkk uniform, what i can find is that its not illegal to use the swastika symbol. If you are so deeply hurt by someone burning a book that you feel the person who did it should be physically punished, something is seriously wrong with you. It's not the same as walking up and saying "feck you, you stupid christian" in my world. People can get riled up by many different things, doesn't mean you are justified in hurting the person riling you up.

 

[PSV]

Burning a religious book is a hate crime I'd say, so I think it's very fair to make it illegal.

Tell me when you're done in the Middle Ages and want to return to modern times.

Ridiculous statement.

 

[Abizzz]

Burning a religious book is a hate crime I'd say, so I think it's very fair to make it illegal.

If it's not illegal it's hardly a crime !?

 

[bosnian_red]

Tell me when you're done in the Middle Ages and want to return to modern times.

Ridiculous statement.

If it's not illegal it's hardly a crime !?

Google is telling me that it is in fact illegal in the UK? Seems like it is in some countries and isn't in others. What are you trying to achieve with it anyway

 

[Brwned]

Not defending murder of course but probably a bad idea to burn a Quran right outside of a mosque, just as it would be to burn a bible outside a church or whatever other equivalents there are. You're asking to get attacked by a random psychopath at that point.

If you have to start a sentence with “not defending murder of course” then surely you recognise you’ve gone beyond the pale…

 

[The Purley King]

I genuinely feel sorry for anyone who believes in a made up book of religion regardless of what imaginary “god” it pertains to.
Let alone kill someone because they burnt something that is entirely based on dubious things that may or may not have happened hundreds of years ago but someone has decided are very important. Important enough to end someone’s life.
Until humanity rids ourselves of this made up cancer we won’t progress too much……

 

[bosnian_red]

I doubt its illegal to wear a nazi or kkk uniform, what i can find is that its not illegal to use the swastika symbol. If you are so deeply hurt by someone burning a book that you feel the person who did it should be physically punished, something is seriously wrong with you. It's not the same as walking up and saying "feck you, you stupid christian" in my world. People can get riled up by many different things, doesn't mean you are justified in hurting the person riling you up.

Oh 100%, absolute nut job to go and kill somebody for any reason. It is actually illegal though in Canada to wear or offer symbols of hate, so yeah you can be sent to prison for wearing Nazi or kkk uniforms. Similar logic I think would apply to going to a mosque and burning their holy book (or any holy book in front of their place of worship). The person is doing it as a symbol of hate, so off you go. Doesn't mean somebody should kill him of course, but it's still a hate crime IMO.

If you have to start a sentence with “not defending murder of course” then surely you recognise you’ve gone beyond the pale…

My point was that I "thought" it was illegal to do the whole "burn a Quran in front of a mosque" in the first place in more countries than it actually is, and you're asking for trouble if you do that.

 

[Wilt]

I very much doubt burning a Bible anywhere would get you killed.

This

 

[maniak]

Christians have murdered doctors for providing women healthcare. Not sure that's less crazy than murdering someone because they burned a book.

 

[bosnian_red]

Christians have murdered doctors for providing women healthcare. Not sure that's less crazy than murdering someone because they burned a book.

There ya go. Crazy people exist all over and will use whatever twisted belief they can to justify their crazy behavior.

 

[tenpoless]

Im not claiming to be wise or smart or anything. But its the people not the religion. Wronguns will always be there no matter their religions.

 

[Gehrman]

Burning a religious book is a hate crime I'd say, so I think it's very fair to make it illegal. What are you trying to do in doing that other than tile up people to the point of violence? Is it legal to publicly wear a Nazi uniform? Is it legal to publicly wear a KKK uniform? (Genuinely asking here, no idea but it seems like it should be illegal). Freedom of speech doesn't mean you are free to commit hate crimes.

The old testament and the Quran themselves are full of what you might call hate speech and is a massive cause of historical and present violence, oppression, discrimination etc worldwide.

Perhaps we should apply hate speech laws to the bible and the quran, the hadiths and censor out stuff that constitutes hate speech and see what were left with.

I think in a liberal society its fair that it should be legal to show your disdain for them by for instance burning them even though it isn't how i personally go about it.

 

[neverdie]

5 arrested.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europ...-court-verdict-over-koran-burning-2025-01-30/

Public burning of the Quran is not anti-Islam protest imo It's incitement.

 

[Mogget]

Yep, try burning a bible outside a church in rural Texas and see how that effects your health.

The fact you're comparing Sweden to rural Texas says it all, no?

Is Islamic fundamentalism in Sweden now synonymous with Christian fundamentalism in rural Texas?

 

[neverdie]

Public burning of the Quran is not anti-Islam protest imo It's incitement.

I.e., go to a hyper religious community anywhere on the planet and burn whichever text they hold sacred and see how far you get. Murder, of course, is insane and not the answer but I'd be expecting it if I live-streamed an event with Quran (or even Bible) burning. That's the world.

Pexbo said it first.

 

[Gehrman]

I.e., go to a hyper religious community anywhere on the planet and burn whichever text they hold sacred and see how far you get. Murder, of course, is insane and not the answer but I'd be expecting it if I live-streamed an event with Quran (or even Bible) burning. That's the world.

Pexbo said it first.

Do you think if i live streamed myself burning as much of the kangyur as possible I'd get killed?

Especially if it was here in Denmark or any other liberal society? I know several hyper buddhist communities in the west. They certainly wouldn't.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Nothing surprising about religion being the inspiration for cnuts to carry out of violent abhorrent acts.

But given that this is a take as old as time, the guy is utterly daft for doing that. I’m all for holding religion to scrutiny but you also have to use your brain.

 

[bringbackbebe]

I love free speech and freedom of expression and all, and I'm not (and never was) muslim or religious - but he was inviting trouble for himself when he burned the book publicly. Not sure if it actually achieves anything useful other than riling up a bunch of hyper religious morons.

 

[HookedOnAPhelan]

Did Charlie Hebdo «invite trouble» as well? Salman Rushdie? Theo van Gogh?

Where does it end?

Anything other than blanket condemnation as a response to violence or murder for burning/writing a book, or publishing a cartoon, is just carrying water for theocrats who would love nothing more than to outlaw any and all criticism and ridicule of their religion.

Not to mention this «he asked for it» stuff is eerily similar to «she dressed skimpily so should’ve expected to be raped».

Burning a book might be a vulgar form of protest, but that’s still all it is. And living in a free, secular society means sometimes having to put up with other people’s vulgarity.

 

[Mike Smalling]

Did Charlie Hebdo «invite trouble» as well? Salman Rushdie? Theo van Gogh?

Where does it end?

Anything other than blanket condemnation as a response to violence or murder for burning/writing a book, or publishing a cartoon, is just carrying water for theocrats who would love nothing more than to outlaw any and all criticism and ridicule of their religion.

Not to mention this «he asked for it» stuff is eerily similar to «she dressed skimpily so should’ve expected to be raped».

Burning a book might be a vulgar form of protest, but that’s still all it is.

Agree with everything except the last line.

Just as we shouldn't trivialize the murder as "Oh well, he had it coming", I also don't think we should describe the act of burning the Quran as a protest. It's deliberate and politically motivated provocation with the aim of turning the overall population against Muslims in general.

 

[neverdie]

Do you think if i live streamed myself burning as much of the kangyur as possible I'd get killed?

Especially if it was here in Denmark or any other liberal society? I know several hyper buddhist communities in the west. They certainly wouldn't.

Outside a Mosque? Yes, if you replace that with Quran or in Southern America and a Bible outside a church. They certainly would.

Buddhists are usually pacifists but not all of them. They also go to war, remember.

 

[neverdie]

Charlie Hebdo «invite trouble» as well?

Yes.

Here's that which will massively offend millions if not many millions of people. Thought: "why not publish it? surely nothing will happen?". Idiocy.

 

[Mike Smalling]

Yes.

Here's that which will massively offend millions if not many millions of people. Thought: "why not publish it? surely nothing will happen?". Idiocy.

Freedom of speech in the bin. Great.

 

[neverdie]

but that’s still all it is.

It's intentional incitement.

That's what it is. In private? No one cares. In public it is a statement. And one you can predict the outcomes to. It's akin to saying the N-word.

 

[Smores]

Don't think there's an issue with burning a religious text but if you're going to a place of worship to do it then it's clear incitement.

I'll bucket this into the 'not sad a cnuts dead category' same as if Trump had been more lethally shot.

 

[neverdie]

Freedom of speech in the bin. Great.

With freedom of speech comes civic responsibility. Absolutists of the most irrational kind here. What world do you live in? In mine, burning books might be a protest (and then political by definition) but it comes with consequences (otherwise why protest at all?). Is murder an acceptable consequence? No, and that's why these people will be jailed. It's how society works.

Free speech exists -- that's nonsensical argumentation.

 

[Gehrman]

Outside a Mosque? Yes, if you replace that with Quran or in Southern America and a Bible outside a church. They certainly would.

Buddhists are usually pacifists but not all of them. They also go to war, remember.

This was more what I was responding to.

"I.e., go to a hyper religious community anywhere on the planet and burn whichever text they hold sacred and see how far you get."

Of course if you were exclusively talking about the bible and quran that probably holds in certain places on the planet, but in most liberal societies with a christian heritage that is mostly a thing of the past maybe not in the bible belt, but in Scandinavia and and most of europe, I think you´d generally get to keep your life.

 

[Mike Smalling]

With freedom of speech comes civic responsibility. Absolutists of the most irrational kind here. What world do you live in? In mine, burning books might be a protest (and then political by definition) but it comes with consequences (otherwise why protest at all?). Is murder an acceptable consequence? No, and that's why these people will be jailed. It's how society works.

Free speech exists -- that's nonsensical argumentation.

What a great society. I print something, get murdered for it, but the murderer goes to jail, so the system works.

 

[neverdie]

What a great society. I print something, get murdered for it, but the murderer goes to jail, so the system works.

Go say the N-word, get beat up, and complain about how the system works.

 

[Mike Smalling]

Go say the N-word, get beat up, and complain about how the system works.

There's a clear distinction between racially abusing someone and burning a holy text.

 

[neverdie]

Go say the N-word, get beat up, and complain about how the system works.

Because it's arbitrary to you, atheist, or secular, or whatever, does not make it arbitrary to everyone. If you burned it in private or whatever there'd be no consequence. Much like being a racist. If you said the N-word in your own home, no one would hear or care. If you published it you can expect the obvious.

 

[neverdie]

There's a clear distinction between racially abusing someone and burning a holy text.

Nah, there really isn't. Each has a target (mostly ethnic, too) and the book has salience which when burned is akin to racial abuse. You can delude yourself otherwise, or look at what actually happened and happens and be realist.

Free speech encompasses what you do (not just say) for a very good reason. It guarantees you liberties. Like burning a book. Now, incitement carries whatever risks you can reasonably consider. It's not difficult.

 

[groovyalbert]

Hadn't he predicted that he'd be murdered one day?

Not surprised the daft cnuts who did this were incapable of seeing the irony in pretty much reinforcing his initial claims by murdering him in the name of religion.