Man Utd summer transfer budget capped by FFP due to 'historic spending'

Probably a good sign to be honest. The more a precedent is set the less cheating likes of City will be able to get away with. It might also stop us spending silly if Qatar do sadly get their hands on us

Except that City didn't get away with it.
If you do some research rather than quoting lazy drivel, then you'll discover that the club was fined £49m in May 2014 and forced to play a reduced squad in the CL the following season.
 
This is an easy 'story' to pick off and dispute, just showing how complex the FFP really is and the fact that there aren't real concrete, transparent rules shows that there's a lot of loopholes. All figures are in Euros and sourced from Transfermarkt.us.

Club
21/22 Transfer In (Expenses)
21/22 Transfer Out (Revenues)
Profit/Loss Transfer (21/22)
22/23 Transfer In (Expenses)
22/23 Transfer Out (Revenues)
Profit/Loss Transfer (22/23)
Total Profit/Loss (2-years)

Manchester United​
142m​
31m​
-111m
243m​
13m​
-230m
-341m

Newcastle​
130m​
0​
-130m
185m​
14m​
-171m
-301m
Arsenal​
167m​
31m​
-136m
192m​

24m​
-168m
-304m

Chelsea​
118m​
149m​
31m
611m​
68m​
-543m
-512m

And for additional context, Newcastle was not qualified for Europe in 20/21, 21/22, nor 22/23. So they've missed out on European revenue for many, many years, until the upcoming season, but their UEFA coefficient is extremely low because of their lack of European participation via CL or Europa.

Manchester United do pay large wages, but that's never stopped them from spending big on transfers nor playing large wages because their revenues to turnover ratio on a year-over-year basis is rather healthy.
wages? think we have highest in the league
 
Except that City didn't get away with it.
If you do some research rather than quoting lazy drivel, then you'll discover that the club was fined £49m in May 2014 and forced to play a reduced squad in the CL the following season.
Really put a stop to you, didn't it.
 
Except that City didn't get away with it.
If you do some research rather than quoting lazy drivel, then you'll discover that the club was fined £49m in May 2014 and forced to play a reduced squad in the CL the following season.
Was it realy ?? Fined after Cas as well which was reduced because it was paid in full, also fined twice for missing mandatory drugs test, albeit small fines with plenty of excuses. The Main issues still haven't been dealt with by the FA 115 of them.. and as financial people pointed out clubs like City budget for the fines when they get caught because its part of there business model.

Maybe that's why FA has 115 charges.
 
Anyone trying to compare this to city is desperate.

A minor breach versus sustained cheating worth billions and fake sponsorships for over a decade.
 
1 charge FC.

You lot need to sort it out and start trying properly. Anything less than 10 is proof you're not trying.

Hopefully whoever buys the club (you're taking the piss with that as well by the way, how long does it take?) ups your cheating game. 1 charge? Pathetic.
 
1 charge FC.

You lot need to sort it out and start trying properly. Anything less than 10 is proof you're not trying.

Hopefully whoever buys the club (you're taking the piss with that as well by the way, how long does it take?) ups your cheating game. 1 charge? Pathetic.

Don't you worry Duff. When Cheatin' Jasser comes we will be competing with the Cheatin' Neighbours. Proper.
 
Except that City didn't get away with it.
If you do some research rather than quoting lazy drivel, then you'll discover that the club was fined £49m in May 2014 and forced to play a reduced squad in the CL the following season.

And they learned their lesson and never broke the rules ever again. :lol:
 
Everyone here is mentioning CIty... what about Chelsea? They spent a fortune last season (I know they are getting it back now) and haven't exactly "not spent" historically. Arsenal spent a lot las summer and are doing so again this.

Am I right in thinking the real problem is the fecking Glazers never actually put money into the club?
 
Was it realy ?? Fined after Cas as well which was reduced because it was paid in full, also fined twice for missing mandatory drugs test, albeit small fines with plenty of excuses. The Main issues still haven't been dealt with by the FA 115 of them.. and as financial people pointed out clubs like City budget for the fines when they get caught because its part of there business model.

Maybe that's why FA has 115 charges.
The FA don't have any charges against City. It's the Premier League. If it's such an easy subject to discuss, why do so many get this wrong?
 
The FA don't have any charges against City. It's the Premier League. If it's such an easy subject to discuss, why do so many get this wrong?
The FA. Premier league .. is not doing the investigation it's a independent panel, that could take years to sort out, that gives City more time to convince everybody that NOW we are doing it by the book???... so please forgive our ignorance for our past... I hope that the 15 people are not corruptable and have a pair of balls unlike Uefa .. or CAS.
 
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What’s with the sudden influx of “new member” City fans on here?
 
What’s with the sudden influx of “new member” City fans on here?
Exactly .. they think because UTD been fined a paltry amount compared to there Miliions over a few periods, UTDs was a break even cockup like a few clubs from 2019.. give them there little gloat it still doesn't compare to anything City have got away with.
 
What’s with the sudden influx of “new member” City fans on here?

Brainwashed fans/ bots trying to sportswash a nation that exploits human rights and a club that chronically cheats.
 
We need to get a fecking move on. Arsenal strengthening very well and they need much less reinforcement than us.

And if argue the same for Liverpool. Despite them finishing behind us they have much less holes in their squad.

Whenever we finish top 4 we never do enough in the summer which leads to us not making top 4 the following year. Can't risk that again
 
And they learned their lesson and never broke the rules ever again. :lol:
They learnt their lesson. They didn't share any info with the investigation after 2019.

They say they want a quick resolution to the 115 charges but they are the ones slowing it down. :lol:

Meanwhile declaring record revenue again just last month! Ha!

At this stage it's not even a proper football club it's just a franchise of the entitled royals in the UAE.
 
Arsenal have now spent over £200 million this summer. How the hell are they staying compliant?
 
Arsenal have now spent over £200 million this summer. How the hell are they staying compliant?
Probably amortized transfers (I assume they are all in 6 years contracts) and a relatively low salary ball, which gives them some flexibility.

However, it might be a problem soon cause they have heavily spent the last two seasons too.
 
Anyone trying to compare this to city is desperate.

A minor breach versus sustained cheating worth billions and fake sponsorships for over a decade.

is anyone trying to compare it?

Or is everyone utterly astounded we've been fined for what sounds like a trivial technicality almost overnight, whilst they're taking years to try and lay a glove on City for what is alleged to be the biggest systematic financial mockery in football history?
 
The FA don't have any charges against City. It's the Premier League. If it's such an easy subject to discuss, why do so many get this wrong?

Because it's an irrelevant distinction to matter in the scheme of things?
 
Arsenal have now spent over £200 million this summer. How the hell are they staying compliant?

Helped massively by coming 2nd, as the prize money massively goes up per position.
Fielding huge commercial gains too.

Haven't looked too closely at what the actual rules are.
 
is anyone trying to compare it?

Or is everyone utterly astounded we've been fined for what sounds like a trivial technicality almost overnight, whilst they're taking years to try and lay a glove on City for what is alleged to be the biggest systematic financial mockery in football history?
I know a few deluded City fans who are trying to create a false equivalence.
 
is anyone trying to compare it?

Or is everyone utterly astounded we've been fined for what sounds like a trivial technicality almost overnight, whilst they're taking years to try and lay a glove on City for what is alleged to be the biggest systematic financial mockery in football history?

Why would it be astounding? In one case it's simply a club spending more than allowed, showed by just looking at the accounts. In the other case you have to prove fraud.
 
Because it's an irrelevant distinction to matter in the scheme of things?
Not really. If it was the FA, their punishments would probably be limited to large fines, transfer bans or registration bans.

The Premier League, in theory, have far more severe punishments that they can go to such as expulsion, trophy stripping and points deductions, as well as the chance to limit or completely withhold prize and/or TV money. All far more damaging than monetary fines, as I'm sure you'll agree.

So in short, yeah it does matter.

I've no idea how it ends. The only loyalty I have is with the team on the pitch and not the incumbents of the ownership of the club. That went went for Peter Swales and Franny Lee and it goes for Shinawatra and ADUG too. So what will be, will be.

All I do know is from reading what financial experts and people with experience of Sports law have said, the Premier League have to be able to prove beyond reasonable doubt their allegations, and in doing that they are going to have to draw some huge global companies into potential financial fraud cases as well. It's massive for both parties.
 
Arsenal have now spent over £200 million this summer. How the hell are they staying compliant?

They have brought they wage bill down massively when they got rid of the more senior players. They are a very young team now.
 
Except that City didn't get away with it.
If you do some research rather than quoting lazy drivel, then you'll discover that the club was fined £49m in May 2014 and forced to play a reduced squad in the CL the following season.

So you believe a 49m fine is a punishment, to a club owner that cheats 100 of millions into City's book every year?

Banishment from European games is a punishment, points deduction is a punishment, Window(s) closed for players recruitment is a punishment. Financial fine, particularly if the sum concerned doesn't eat into next season's wages/procurement, and Club can continue doing what they have been doing, is as little as a slap on the wrist.