I'm sure that occurs in cases, but it's not universally true. Definitely wasn't the case in my experience or that of friends who were also immigrants.
Man Utd and Man City academy players at centre of age-fraud claims
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) talk about the proposed new stadium, season ticket prices, Sir Jim Ratcliffe and all things INEOS after the first year of their co-ownership.
They also discuss back-to-back victories vs. Real Sociedad and Leicester City - was this the best week for Amorim so far?
So as far as I can tell, you hadn't read the article, had no idea of the situation of this, and also had no idea of how representative this would be (if true) of practices in the relevant part of Africa (or Africa as a whole; I don't know what's your generalization of choice) - but you thought this was the right to post. I'll leave it at that.
Where did you immigrate from?
In my case, Brazil. My immigrant friends from grade school came from other parts of Latin America and South Asia. If your comment was more specific to African immigrants, I don't have any data points there.
Education here is mostly localized anyway, so I think everyone's experience is going to vastly differ.
Currently playing in Malta. Wiki says he is 48
but I presume that's just someone messing.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Minala
I have it on good authority that Rooney was 30 when he joined us.
He looks in his mid 50s now so that actually makes a lot of sense.
If it’s either both go down or neither, then we’re as safe as humanly possible. city are the OJ Simpson of English football
really is a dead giveaway of how someone thinks.Why should the burden of proof be on the club?
You make an allegation or even suggest it, you do a complete job.
But if we did due diligence when signing them who is really to blame? You can’t fault a club for being scammed. If they’ve played for England worse yet.
As said, they've been very careful in the article not to accuse. It also doesn't matter for the journalists or Telegraph if it's true or not. It does for the clubs.
They did get OJ though. Took 'em a while.Utd win a couple of games and there's always something waiting to be pulled out of the gutter to take the shine off.
Luke Shaw faking his age to get the under 6's jelly and ice cream since Sir Jim closed the club canteen.
This is where I'm at, its not unthinkable for super talented 9 year olds to play in an u15 tournament.
I doubt they are 5 years older than reported, making them about 20 years old. They don't look like 20 year olds at all, being of African descent myself and working with teens.
Wouldnt completely rule it out either that there is some form of fraud.
Jack and Tyler Fletcher are in fact both 41 year old Darren Fletcher in disguise.
I get the impression that the players involved aren’t English.
The phrase ‘six foreign born players’ is a bit of a tell tale sign.
At least one of the players played for England Under 16 as recently as December, they're foreign born but will be/are eligible for England through residency.
It'll be curious to see if the people in question make further England camps given this first started being publicised more widely around December (though seems something of an open secret beforehand).
Victor Moses was born in Nigeria and moved to the UK at the age of 11 after his parents had been killed, he represented England at U16-21's before choosing Nigeria.
Three "foreign born players" have been mentioned on the Caf before as potentially being U15 in a photo from 2019 and now years later being presented as born in 2010. Two of those have represented England one of United's and one of City's.
It says some of them have represented england though?
Aye. Tale as old as time. United climb to 13th in the table and they basically start alleging that we’ve got grown adults walking around the underage dressing rooms with their cocks out.
City is implicated as well so let's not get all conspiratorial.
Have one more quick scan of my post.
City have had someone doing that for years.
It was a different time. The amount of noncing you can get away with is through the floor.
I don't even blame them if this is/was their only way to make the step. I certainly would have lied about my age at 15/16 given the chance.
In fact I did so many times, claiming to be 18...
It's a problem in football but the ones to blame are the adults that profit from giving them the chance to lie.
In fact I did so many times, claiming to be 18...
It's a problem in football but the ones to blame are the adults that profit from giving them the chance to lie.
It's fraud, if they are able to get asylum they can get a job.
Yeah but there's levels to fraud. There's fecking someone out of their house fraud, then there's credit card fraud, and then there's lying about your age when you're a teenager fraud. They aren't the same to me.
I can't even innocently hang around schools any more. World's gone to shit.
Does it matter? Fraud is fraud, and you making excuses for it enables it. They are actively taking away chances from real teenagers either foreign born or raised in the UK who also want to make a career in football. How is that still not immoral?
Obviously it shouldn't take place and those missing out are the ones actually hurt by it (even though someone on the cusp of making it to the united academy in 2025 will have plenty of other brilliant options in the world of football academies, certainly better than 99.9% of the youth of the world).
However I blame those enabling it and making money off of it more than the actual kids.
Except these aren't children and are knowingly lying.
Is one of them a manager in Turkey now ? 
Ah yes the rag which was once a newspaper…
Stone?
Just count their rings.
The post with pictures saying they are playing in a U15 tournament in 2019, are those details and the dates confirmed? None of those kids in the picture really look 14, they all look about 10-12 years old for a start. And even if it's an under 15s tournament, they could've been a U12 or U13 team competing, with a few players even younger. Seems like its a lot of conjecture without any really verifiable evidence. Think its pretty irresponsible of the paper to print this. Half baked accusations that you can't prove, and also can't be publicly refuted due to the age of those involved. It just boils down to mud slinging. Give us something concrete and then have a serious discussion. Otherwise this is gutter journalism at best, and racist at worst.