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settembrini said:
Signing young players has got nothing to do what I posted.
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It has, because you're comparing two players with about 5 years age difference and hundreds of games experience between them.

And people complain about Jose not planning for the future or giving youngsters a chance.

I've been hearing for 3 years that we should sign Mahrez. Why has nobody signed him?
 
He'd be a great addition and will improve our right side, I also think he'd get a lot of assists for Lukaku, As well as chipping in with a few goals.
 
Mcking said:
By every, I mean't every poster that wanted him, wanted him because of his crossing ability.
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My mistake, got you now.

pocco said:
He likes width on the left and an inverted winger on the right (Persisted with Mata in this role for a long time) with the RB overlapping. Malcolm makes sense. Comparing him to Perisic is pointless as it's two different requirements by the looks of it.
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I don't think that's the case, Mourinho has been trying a lot of different things here and if he buys Malcom then he will have inverted wingers on both sides as neither Martial or Rashford go on the outside very often.
 
Mcking said:
As exciting as Pulisic is, he's not very good yet, at least the end product is not there yet.

MALCOM VS PULISIC​
Apps - 16(2) vs 15(1)
Goals - 7 vs 3
Chances created - 41 vs 16
Assists - 4 vs 1
Shot accuracy - 63% vs 55%
Pass accuracy - 82% vs 81%
Duels won - 64% vs 44%
Average pass lenght - 16m vs 15m
Dribbles completed - 46 vs 43
Percent dribbles - 68% vs 44%
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Although there might be little errors and differences, these stats weren't handpicked, they are the ones I found. The notion that Pulisic is better and more creative than Malcom is a myth.
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Pulisic is performing in a better league against higher quality opposition in the Bundesliga. You can throw stats at me as much as you like, but from what i've seen of both players, Pulisic is superior and a much better fit for us.
 
Mcking said:
Last summer, we needed a left winger. But Martial and Rashford's perfomances on the left means a right winger is the priority right now.
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Left vs right isn't the issue. At the end of the summer window Mourinho said he wanted a winger that would allow him to play 3 at the back and wing backs. Perisic fit that role, he is hard working, good defensively and he stays wide and gets crosses in. This signing would have worked well with Lukaku (excellent at scoring from crosses) and Lindelof (a signing which only makes sense if we planned on using a back 3).

A few months later and the winger we are linked to is Malcom. He is the complete opposite to Perisic, very poor defensive stats, doesn't provide width, good at cutting in and attacking the middle of the opposition defence. Won't give Lukaku the service he needs and won't help us play a back 3.
 
pocco said:
It has, because you're comparing two players with about 5 years age difference and hundreds of games experience between them.

And people complain about Jose not planning for the future or giving youngsters a chance.

I've been hearing for 3 years that we should sign Mahrez. Why has nobody signed him?
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Mahrez was just an example because he seemed like an easy signing to make, if we wanted him. I like United signing young players, they are generally fitter and more hungry for success.
 
Camilo said:
Well nobody's heard of him, and that's not usually a good thing. Is he better than Jay Rodriguez? I hope we don't waste our money - buy properly in the summer, don't buy little stop gaps. Act like the big club we are, big dick waving in the summer.
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:lol:
 
Adnan said:
Pulisic is performing in a better league against higher quality opposition in the Bundesliga. You can throw stats at me as much as you like, but from what i've seen of both players, Pulisic is superior and a much better fit for us.
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Better league? Higher quality oppositions? It's only marginal imo.
He's got those stats playing for a team 16th in Ligue 1 so he takes on players far superior to his teammates while feeding off meagre quality. Compare that to Pulisic's far more inferior stats playing for a team 3rd in the league, it's obvious who's performing better btw.
 
Adnan said:
Pulisic is performing in a better league against higher quality opposition in the Bundesliga. You can throw stats at me as much as you like, but from what i've seen of both players, Pulisic is superior and a much better fit for us.
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I agree, it's stats vs eyes for me, I've watched both and Pulisic is a much more refined all round player with a far higher ceiling IMO, Malcom is more basic and direct but Pulisic is so intelligent and hard working already, I think he's just beneath the Mbappe/Dembele/Asensio trio in terms of true world class potential.

settembrini said:
Left vs right isn't the issue. At the end of the summer window Mourinho said he wanted a winger that would allow him to play 3 at the back and wing backs. Perisic fit that role, he is hard working, good defensively and he stays wide and gets crosses in. This signing would have worked well with Lukaku (excellent at scoring from crosses) and Lindelof (a signing which only makes sense if we planned on using a back 3).

A few months later and the winger we are linked to is Malcom. He is the complete opposite to Perisic, very poor defensive stats, doesn't provide width, good at cutting in and attacking the middle of the opposition defence. Won't give Lukaku the service he needs and won't help us play a back 3.
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Yeah, I don't think Malcom is an alternative to Perisic, I think Sandro is that player, Malcom is about addressing the weakness in the right side of our attack.
 
Mcking said:
Better league? Higher quality oppositions? It's only marginal imo.
He's got those stats playing for a team 16th in Ligue 1 so he takes on players far superior to his teammates while feeding off meagre quality. Compare that to Pulisic's far more inferior stats playing for a team 3rd in the league, it's obvious who's performing better.
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Yes the Bundesliga is a better league. The German clubs hold on to their assets much longer in comparison to their French counter-parts.

Pulisic being a year younger than Malcom is standing out as a key player in a Dortmund team that has some outstanding players. Pulisic at 19 is outshining some fantastic players which is very impressive for a teenager.
 
settembrini said:
Left vs right isn't the issue. At the end of the summer window Mourinho said he wanted a winger that would allow him to play 3 at the back and wing backs. Perisic fit that role, he is hard working, good defensively and he stays wide and gets crosses in. This signing would have worked well with Lukaku (excellent at scoring from crosses) and Lindelof (a signing which only makes sense if we planned on using a back 3).

A few months later and the winger we are linked to is Malcom. He is the complete opposite to Perisic, very poor defensive stats, doesn't provide width, good at cutting in and attacking the middle of the opposition defence. Won't give Lukaku the service he needs and won't help us play a back 3.
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Like you pointed out,
A few months later and the winger we are linked to is Malcom.
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We were linked to and Mourinho wanted Perisic 4 months ago. The situation has changed, we didn't get Perisic and Lindelof has struggled to settle in.
We are playing a 4231 now and a right winger is the need, not a LWB/LW anymore. Hence, Malcom.
 
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Like majority in here, I’ve only seen him from the YouTube videos. They are a bit underwhelming. However, if Jose and his team think he could help us, then go for it.
 
pocco said:
He likes width on the left and an inverted winger on the right (Persisted with Mata in this role for a long time) with the RB overlapping. Malcolm makes sense. Comparing him to Perisic is pointless as it's two different requirements by the looks of it.
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So he’s going to sign a left winger too? Because Rashford and Martial don’t want to hold width out wide.
 
Adnan said:
Yes the Bundesliga is a better league. The German clubs hold on to their assets much longer in comparison to their French counter-parts.

Pulisic being a year younger than Malcom is standing out as a key player in a Dortmund team that has some outstanding players. Pulisic at 19 is outshining some fantastic players which is very impressive for a teenager.
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Pulisic looks flashy and certainly flashier than Malcom but lacks the end product. 3 goals, 1assist and 16 chances created in 16 games on his best form since he came to prominence is mild at best and not good enough for us. That's Jesse Lingard's numbers.
 
Mcking said:
Pulisic looks flashy and certainly flashier than Malcom but lacks the end product. 3 goals, 1assist and 16 chances created in 16 games on his best form since he came to prominence is mild at best and not good enough for us. That's Jesse Lingard's numbers.
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Hey! Jesse has better stats!
 
Mcking said:
Pulisic looks flashy and certainly flashier than Malcom but lacks the end product. 3 goals, 1assist and 16 chances created in 16 games on his best form since he came to prominence is mild at best and not good enough for us. That's Jesse Lingard's numbers.
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Do you actually watch games or just look at stats when the game finishes?
 
Pulisic is at his best on the left while Malcolm is at his best on the right so not a like for like comparison.
 
Adnan said:
Pulisic is performing in a better league against higher quality opposition in the Bundesliga. You can throw stats at me as much as you like, but from what i've seen of both players, Pulisic is superior and a much better fit for us.
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He is also playing for a better team(on paperD
 
MJJ said:
He is also playing for a better team(on paperD
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Yes he is playing for a better team and the pressure of performing is higher for Dortmund due to the expectations. The reason why we'll go for Malcom is he'll cost us less due to our need to splash the cash in other areas.
 
Adnan said:
What facet of Malcoms game do you feel is better?
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From what I've watched, I will say Malcom is more effective in the final third, he's the better shooter, crosser, finisher. Pulisic dribbles more, but Malcom is more 'effective' - I don't know a better phrase or word to use, but it's marginal though. Although both are not known for their passing, I would say Malcom is the better passer, it's marginal too.
EDIT - Malcom is better at holding onto the ball too.
 
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MyOnlySolskjaer said:
Everything you’d want in a winger; quick, takes players on, great crosser and has a great shot on him.

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That video looks good. The question will be if he can replicate this here or not. That Memphis deal will always make cautious, but he definitely looks good.
 
Mcking said:
As exciting as Pulisic is, he's not very good yet, at least the end product is not there yet.

MALCOM VS PULISIC​
Apps - 16(2) vs 15(1)
Goals - 7 vs 3
Chances created - 41 vs 16
Assists - 4 vs 1
Shot accuracy - 63% vs 55%
Pass accuracy - 82% vs 81%
Duels won - 64% vs 44%
Average pass lenght - 16m vs 15m
Dribbles completed - 46 vs 43
Percent dribbles - 68% vs 44%
(Squawka)
Although there might be little errors and differences, these stats weren't handpicked, they are the ones I found. The notion that Pulisic is better and more creative than Malcom is a myth.
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that’s comprehensibly better than pulisic productive wise
 
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settembrini said:
Left vs right isn't the issue. At the end of the summer window Mourinho said he wanted a winger that would allow him to play 3 at the back and wing backs. Perisic fit that role, he is hard working, good defensively and he stays wide and gets crosses in. This signing would have worked well with Lukaku (excellent at scoring from crosses) and Lindelof (a signing which only makes sense if we planned on using a back 3).

A few months later and the winger we are linked to is Malcom. He is the complete opposite to Perisic, very poor defensive stats, doesn't provide width, good at cutting in and attacking the middle of the opposition defence. Won't give Lukaku the service he needs and won't help us play a back 3.
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Again, perisic is not and can't be and won't be wing back player. Never played that and when he was asked to play that in NT he was awful.
 
Mcking said:
As exciting as Pulisic is, he's not very good yet, at least the end product is not there yet.

MALCOM VS PULISIC​
Apps - 16(2) vs 15(1)
Goals - 7 vs 3
Chances created - 41 vs 16
Assists - 4 vs 1
Shot accuracy - 63% vs 55%
Pass accuracy - 82% vs 81%
Duels won - 64% vs 44%
Average pass lenght - 16m vs 15m
Dribbles completed - 46 vs 43
Percent dribbles - 68% vs 44%
(Squawka)
Although there might be little errors and differences, these stats weren't handpicked, they are the ones I found. The notion that Pulisic is better and more creative than Malcom is a myth.
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I'm also very sceptical about signing players who look great playing for Dortmund and expecting them to perform as well here after the last two we've got from them.
 
He can be new neymar or messi but we need top class on that position now. And malcolm is not highest level now
 
Andycoleno9 said:
He can be new neymar or messi but we need top class on that position now. And malcolm is not highest level now
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Actually we really don't. The league is gone. We're probably not going to win the CL even with a major January investment - We should be looking to ensure we're getting the best young players. Guys like Sessegnon and Malcolm are exactly the type of players we should be after. We have a decent core of young players as it is - Keep investing in the best talent and it could be a dominant group in 2-3 years with the right development.

This was how Ferguson overcame Arsenal/Mourinho's spell to become the dominant force in England again. It's something we've gotten away from.
 
Devil81 said:
If Malcolm had that potential we'd be seeing Barca, Madrid and City in for him now.
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Aye, the likes of Sane show just how daft a statement that is. Now I know nothing about Malcom but as with all players, their price and the interest in them has much more to do with the buying club(s) current situation(s) over anything else.
 
Devil81 said:
If Malcolm had that potential we'd be seeing Barca, Madrid and City in for him now.
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You mean the Barca that has signed the likes of Digne, Paulinho, Aleix, Andre Gomes and beat us out to sign Vermaleen. And strangely enough their best signing in recent years was Umtiti a Ligue 1 signing.
 
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Left footed player that plays on the right, so he cuts in. How the hell is he going to help Lukaku?

He's no Robben that's for sure.
 
He has a good eye, but he is too one-footed for my taste. Of course, there are great players like Robben who don't seem to need their weaker foot, but in Malcom's case I feel there are too many instances where he loses a great position on the field just to bring the ball to his stronger foot. Kind of like Valencia.
 
Frasbul said:
He has a good eye, but he is too one-footed for my taste. Of course, there are great players like Robben who don't seem to need their weaker foot, but in Malcom's case I feel there are too many instances where he loses a great position on the field just to bring the ball to his stronger foot. Kind of like Valencia.
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If you are going to be a one footed player as an attacking player it is better if it is your left foot.
 
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