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Maguire needs to be replaced
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Maguire is really good at bringing the ball out but he never gets time to do it. I think 1 on 1 the probabilities are against him, look how lennon skinned him despite being about 10 yards behind him at first. This happens most if not every game. He just stands there, takes 30 seconds to rotate and gets beat by his man every time. Why he does not use his body more is beyond me, he could use it to pressurise and slow the opposition player down. I consider harry as a liability for us, maybe our style of play does not suit him, maybe the pressure of the fee and the captaincy tells him he is better than he actually is. One thing for certain and for me, he is not a United player. I'd much rather use Varane and Bailey or Varane and Lindeloff until the end of the season.
We're victim of his price tag.
80m means we cant bench him, cant move him on, and can't do nothing but create a myriads of excuse and having to keep trying him, again and again, even if rangnick bench him eventually he'll be given time to prove his mettle, because.... well 80m players
Ole as dof... i doubt he even scout maguire and actually watch him play
80m means we cant bench him, cant move him on, and can't do nothing but create a myriads of excuse and having to keep trying him, again and again, even if rangnick bench him eventually he'll be given time to prove his mettle, because.... well 80m players
Ole as dof... i doubt he even scout maguire and actually watch him play
Compared to the cock up Maguire makes every game? Also, every defender will make a mistake, that's normal, but when it happens multiple times in almost every game then you worry.
You see it with other defenders, why can't Maguire as the main CB and captain bail Varane out for once? Why can't he cover other players mistakes, that's his job. Something he fails at.
You could put it down to confidence, fitness etc. but for me, I have made it to the stage where I believe Maguire is just not good enough for us to win things and never will be. He lacks the qualities you need in the modern game to be a top CB.
I lost all respect for him when he declared himself fit after one day of 'training' coming back from injury.
Yes. The idiot picked him.
But this guy is captain and should have thought of the team first.
Yes. It was the Leicester match, after which Ole should haver been fired.
Rotation is the key.
United have a big squad without a clear 11 players that are better than the rest.
So use the big squad and rely on freshness rather than talent.
Harry is having a god awful season, and once Varane is back to fitness I’d like to see him partnered with Victor or Eric.
Give Maguire a break for a couple of games.
United have a big squad without a clear 11 players that are better than the rest.
So use the big squad and rely on freshness rather than talent.
Harry is having a god awful season, and once Varane is back to fitness I’d like to see him partnered with Victor or Eric.
Give Maguire a break for a couple of games.
An overrated player
I thought some of his diagonal passing was very good against Newcastle but he was back to being shaky last night. He came with a reputation as a ball carrier but he's only capable of this if given time. He seems to have being targeted to be pressed in the same way as AWB has as the opposition know he has a mistake in him.
The grabbing/shirt pulling in the box needs to stop too.
The grabbing/shirt pulling in the box needs to stop too.
A measured response in amongst the volumes of shouting at clouds, and for that I can only commend you.Yeah, things do tend to get hysterical when discussing United players on here
Maguire is a good CB on his day, but he hasn't played anywhere near his best for a good 12 months now. Some time out of the team may help, but his replacements aren't up to much either. Our back line is pretty grim right now.
He hasn't been at his best, bit I though he was solid last night and against Newcastle.
Varane was the weak link v Newcastle, Bailly was the weak link last night.
I think he gets scapegoated on here, moreso last night because another target in McT had a blinder, leaving Maguire as the sole target for the miseries.
I believe you have a slightly bias opinion if that's what you see every game.
By far our best central defender last season after his holiday issues were resolved. This season he was rushed back from injury and simply hasn't picked up any form.
Yes, it's all embarrassing.
Pep actually wanted Maguire for City and was gutted when he went to us instead.
But of course the fact that Maguire plays an integral part for his country and club under numerous managers isn't good enough for some on here.
He may not be hitting the heights all the time, but he has certainly had good games this season.
But some on here have already mailed their flag to the mast by saying stuff like ' I can't stand the guy', which shows they let their emotions make their decisions rather than anything he shows during the games.
Sad really.
Rashford was benched as well, so even more focus on Harry
Rashford was benched as well, so even more focus on Harry
and FredSlabhead has been no where near good enough for anything but the bench. Slow as shit. Has the pace and mobility of a dump truck. Has ZERO composure. Can't seem to direct any of the dozens of corners he's gotten his head on. The fact that he remains our captain is a huge symptom of how horribly our club is run.
To be fair the whole defence is horrible and has been all season long but what I can't understand why he constantly keeps the ball for too long and tries to find that single good pass. He should quickly pass to midfield, he's not as good on the ball as he thinks he is.
I don't want to be horrible about it but he just epitomises whats gone wrong at the club. Paid an astronomical fee for someone that has never won anything, handed the captaincy without earning it, massively protected because he's English. He isn't better than Lindelof yet somehow has found himself as the most powerful player at Manchester United and undroppable. We have a squad of Big Time Charlies that think they've made it without ever winning anything and hes the worst one for it. Maguire, Shaw, AWB, Lingard, Rashford are our equivalent of the Scouse Spice Boys in the 90s.
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Varane and Shaw are the only defenders we have who are good enough to start for Manchester United. Our defensive recruitment has been shocking for years, even in Fergie's last couple of seasons.
Everytime I browse the posts in this thread I can't help but imagine Brendan's huge tooth smile.
How is he Ralf's key player? hes been in the charge for how many games now? 5? any sane manager would keep the captain of a new team he manages for more than 5 games I believe. Let's see how it goes. But one thing is clear, Maguire needs to improve. Has the ability just need the performance.
Not sure why everyones here backing Maguire and complaining about people calling him out for how poor he is, especially when they are the first ones to shit on Lindelof whenever he doesn’t have a great game. Yet Lindelof’s been completely outperforming our 80m captain at a fraction of the price for a while now, our best pairing would be him and Varane
Maguire is not of the standard for a team competing for the League, United should have realised this and spent way less on Ruben Dias who was still available in the cheap at the time, Man City were smarter and did this, because our club is god awful at recruitment, especially during the Solskjaer era, that first Brexit summer of Maguire, AWB and James was atrocious and it’s looked like bad business for a while now
Maguire is not of the standard for a team competing for the League, United should have realised this and spent way less on Ruben Dias who was still available in the cheap at the time, Man City were smarter and did this, because our club is god awful at recruitment, especially during the Solskjaer era, that first Brexit summer of Maguire, AWB and James was atrocious and it’s looked like bad business for a while now
there is something not right that has nothing to do with the players themselves, I am not saying Maguire is world class but playing for England he looks 10x the player he does for Utd, Varane looks shakey as hell yet has been playing as a top level defender for years, Lindelof is just not that good but even still, there is something more whether it is the coaching, the set up IDK but the defense we have should look more solid than it does, I think you could start Dias and Van Dijk in our back 4 and they would look all at sea, there is definitely something bigger that needs addressing
I think its worse than that, Jones didnt play much football, Maguire is ballsing up weekly.
I agree his form is worse than he actually is as a footballer. But there is also the likelihood that the style of football United wants to (and should) play is not suited to his strengths as a centre back.
I agree that incident has done him a lot of mental damage, and isnt the personality to be under the microscope. A meek, gentle giant. He wasnt great before that Greece episode though, many fans were happy throwing him to the lions, and not usually defending a United captain
Regardless of his form - I'm not sure why why he was handed the captaincy. Was it a lack of better options at the time? I assume so. I felt Bruno was the right choice for the captaincy when he joined and now i'd give it to Ronaldo with Bruno VC. They both have the drive and demand more of their team mates. It's a possibility that removing the pressure of captain from Maguire might actually see him return to a semblance of form.
The problem for Maguire is that we can all see he's struggling but he is never dropped. Everybody else in the defence has been dropped at least once.
He gets special treatment and it irks a lot of people.
He gets special treatment and it irks a lot of people.
Pep's recruitment in the defensive department is far from stellar. So Pep wanting him does not mean that he would be a success there and I think he would be benched at City sooner than later.
Maguire's good to great performances in English national team are not surprising as the current defensive setup of English NT suits him. If Southgate decides to play more expansive and attacking football then Maguire's weaknesses will be exposed just as they are at United this season.
However, let's agree to disagree on this one. You rate Maguire, I don't and time will tell who is right.
Harry struggled badly again last night. I’m not looking for excuses but he looks unfit, possibly fatigued from being rushed back before he was fit and never being rested since then. He needs a break, but with the health of our CBs being what it is he’s not getting a break any time soon.
When Varane and Lindelof are fit I’d like to see them get a solid 3-4 run of matches, allowing Maguire to take the break he needs. That’s not going to happen, however, because of his exalted status and he’ll continue to struggle and ship in horror goals as he did last night.
Bottom line is that we’re doing Harry, who’s actually a decent CB, a disservice by pushing him past his limit.
When Varane and Lindelof are fit I’d like to see them get a solid 3-4 run of matches, allowing Maguire to take the break he needs. That’s not going to happen, however, because of his exalted status and he’ll continue to struggle and ship in horror goals as he did last night.
Bottom line is that we’re doing Harry, who’s actually a decent CB, a disservice by pushing him past his limit.
Here's the thing, i never said I rated him.
Just the fact that I believe people on here are deluded to the point of thinking he's a poor player (he's not) means that of someone highlights this obvious fact out, they immediately rate him.
It's one camp or the other, when really football isn't like that, he can be a good player (he is) without being the best (he isn't the best).
Thinke he'd regain his form anywhere else.Just looks like a classic case of not being able to handle the spot light of Manchester United.
Arguably his best form of his career (certainly his best form with us anyway) happened after the trouble in Greece though. Obviously he was terrible in the immediate month or two after it, but he slowly improved and then was fantastic in the second half of last season.
Agree with this, I doubt any of his current issues are down to Greece. He seems to have had a dip in confidence, the opposition all know it and are just a little quicker to close him down which he is unable to cope with. If he can get through a few quiet games I hope he can get to his normal level at least.
I actually think we would be better off getting another first name on the team sheet defender in, and letting Maguire, Bailey and Lindelof fight it out for 3rd,4th and 5th choice spots.
Varane is first name on the team sheet but isn't a nasty bastard. He reminds me a bit of Rio... We need a Vidic alongside him.
I really don't get the hate he's getting and this is coming from someone that never really rated him (above Linda or Bailly)
Look at how good Shawberto was after being away for a couple of games.
Maguire doesn't pick himself and didn't make himself captain. It's obvious he needs to be dropped.
He can do a lot better than he's shown this season, and again, my expectations for him aren't that high.
Look at how good Shawberto was after being away for a couple of games.
Maguire doesn't pick himself and didn't make himself captain. It's obvious he needs to be dropped.
He can do a lot better than he's shown this season, and again, my expectations for him aren't that high.
Howson is going on about Joško Gvardiol
RP Leipzig CB who is supposed to be amazing, as a replacement for Maguire.
RP Leipzig CB who is supposed to be amazing, as a replacement for Maguire.
Those who defend him say he’s off form. But you’re supposed to pick up form when you play every match, don’t you?
How can you say playing too much is bad? Look at Eric who’s not been playing as much does it mean he will be a god every time he turns up every few other matches? Nope.
It’s every decent player’s coach and himself to assess and reflect if he’s being hampered by god knows what injury if any, and if not, playing every match simply must mean he will should be getting better or at least maintaining a high standard. For goodness sake let’s call a spade a spade. This is a slow bloke, pretty decent with his passing, can sometimes score a header and can’t defend when speed is required (aka MUFC’s reincarnation of Lauren Blanc) only we rely on him every match and also depend on him to lead the entire team.
We cannot hope or dream to win big with him as our Center. Simple.
How can you say playing too much is bad? Look at Eric who’s not been playing as much does it mean he will be a god every time he turns up every few other matches? Nope.
It’s every decent player’s coach and himself to assess and reflect if he’s being hampered by god knows what injury if any, and if not, playing every match simply must mean he will should be getting better or at least maintaining a high standard. For goodness sake let’s call a spade a spade. This is a slow bloke, pretty decent with his passing, can sometimes score a header and can’t defend when speed is required (aka MUFC’s reincarnation of Lauren Blanc) only we rely on him every match and also depend on him to lead the entire team.
We cannot hope or dream to win big with him as our Center. Simple.
Not if you are losing confidence every game. I don't know the team dynamics but Maguire never appeared to me to fit the image and 'flash' of some or most of the first team, he may be feeling marginalised especially as Team Captain, the position doesn't mean he can be everyone's best mate all of the time.
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Both he and Varane seem slow, indecisive and nervous on the ball. Varane has been out so I'm prepared to cut him some slack, but this seems to be a reoccurring theme this season for Maguire, which is quite worrying, to say the least.
He's captain, and I don't think we should strip him of the captaincy, but with Lindelof looking like our best centre back (Bailly has been pretty good when he's played, too) maybe it's time Lindelof/Bailly and Varane have a run of games together.
He's captain, and I don't think we should strip him of the captaincy, but with Lindelof looking like our best centre back (Bailly has been pretty good when he's played, too) maybe it's time Lindelof/Bailly and Varane have a run of games together.
Couldn't agree more we need a beast of a defender along side varane problem is we currently don't have one on the books
He's really become shit hasn't he?