Maguire | he stays!

[buchansleftleg]

Has anyone considered using Maguire as a "midfield destroyer" to plug the gaps in the squad?

I can really see this working if we get the setup just right!

All we need to do is sneak him onto the pitch wearing the opposition's shirt, (an injury break or throw-in would be a good opportunity) and let him create mayhem in the opposition's team for 10-15 minutes. giving us an enhanced chance to score.

He then sneaks off the pitch once the damage is done and the opposition player replaces him after being subdued on our bench. We just need some sort of restraint for the player on the bench, and a series of mission impossible style full face masks of the opposition players.

 

[Redlyn]

The average premier league footballer earns enough in 10 years to buy a massive house, pay off the mortgage, put all their kids through university, and amass savings of millions of pounds which will set them up for life. That puts them in a more privileged position than 99% of the population

I always find it a little classless and actually quite disgusting when I read that footballers need to prioritise making money above all else. Some perspective wouldn't go amiss

Perspective is relative. There are people living on a dollar a day. So it's well and good for you to claim he has enough in the same way someone else thinks you have more than enough. The lifestyle he has and wants to maintain for the rest of his life and provide same lifestyle for his kids in their lifetime costs a lot. He will definitely want to maximize his earnings while he can.

 

[croadyman]

Perspective is relative. There are people living on a dollar a day. So it's well and good for you to claim he has enough in the same way someone else thinks you have more than enough. The lifestyle he has and wants to maintain for the rest of his life and provide same lifestyle for his kids in their lifetime costs a lot. He will definitely want to maximize his earnings while he can.

Yeah frustrated as we probably feel towards him for staying it all comes down to the ridiculously high wages paid by Woody & Judge (god that sounds like a budget version of Rosie & Jim)

 

[Marcus]

Well, he played this well. Knowing that the state of health of our CBs is fragile, he may have a chance even as the 5th choice.

 

[Abraxas]

There’s a lot of facetious people in this thread claiming that they’d just give up millions to go and join a West Ham side that narrowly avoided relegation and play some of the most negative football under David Moyes. It’s definitely not the simple decision that many claim.

I agree. Problem is many don't really want to put themselves in his shoes. They're mainly seeing it from their own/what they believe is the best for the club perspective. Which is understandable, but until you approach it from his perspective it is very easy to demonise the guy.

Harry has no obligation to do what we think is best for the club in the market. His obligation is to turn up, be professional and perform to the best of his ability.

West Ham were absolutely abysmal in the league last season and struggled to make headway in the transfer market after selling their best player. Can easily look at that and think they could be in for a relegation scrap. It also represents a pay cut. There is plenty to look at and wonder about there as a player. We also don't know precisely what ETH said to him. It's very possible he hasn't left him completely without chances. Clearly he is way down the pecking order. But if he has left a glimmer for Maguire to compete that would factor in and we have absolutely no clue what that discussion was.

So I'm afraid the case is we have to face the consequences of our own transfer decisions and contract offerings and accept that sometimes we won't be able to spin our way out. The more egregious the decisions are the more likely it is we will have difficult situations such as this, so it's incumbent on us to sort that out in future.

 

[worldinmotion66]

I agree. Problem is many don't really want to put themselves in his shoes. They're mainly seeing it from their own/what they believe is the best for the club perspective. Which is understandable, but until you approach it from his perspective it is very easy to demonise the guy.

Harry has no obligation to do what we think is best for the club in the market. His obligation is to turn up, be professional and perform to the best of his ability.

West Ham were absolutely abysmal in the league last season and struggled to make headway in the transfer market after selling their best player. Can easily look at that and think they could be in for a relegation scrap. It also represents a pay cut. There is plenty to look at and wonder about there as a player. We also don't know precisely what ETH said to him. It's very possible he hasn't left him completely without chances. Clearly he is way down the pecking order. But if he has left a glimmer for Maguire to compete that would factor in and we have absolutely no clue what that discussion was.

So I'm afraid the case is we have to face the consequences of our own transfer decisions and contract offerings and accept that sometimes we won't be able to spin our way out. The more egregious the decisions are the more likely it is we will have difficult situations such as this, so it's incumbent on us to sort that out in future.

100%

Not so long ago players were praised for their professionalism and desire to fight for their place. The guy did extra training this summer and people still follow the media driven narrative. I’d much prefer a player that wants to be here and work hard than one that doesn’t.

He’ll get his opportunities this season and I hope he does well, genuinely think he’ll improve with Onana behind him.

 

[Sakura]

You're talking like he's struggling to heat his home this winter. Look at the wealth Ronaldo has and achievement, yet he still scorched the earth to leave and play football at 37. Sincerely hope he doesn't make match day squads if he clings on

Behave like Ronaldo, get shit on by fans.

Behave like Dean Henderson, get shit on by fans.

Behave like Maguire, be loyal and stay on, get shit on by fans.

United is really the most toxic club.

 

[Cloud7]

We aren't super far away from Harry getting a return to the team, are we

 

[ayushreddevil9]

Behave like Ronaldo, get shit on by fans.

Behave like Dean Henderson, get shit on by fans.

Behave like Maguire, be loyal and stay on, get shit on by fans.

United is really the most toxic club.

 

[Marcus]

Behave like Ronaldo, get shit on by fans.

Behave like Dean Henderson, get shit on by fans.

Behave like Maguire, be loyal and stay on, get shit on by fans.

United is really the most toxic club.

I think the key to this puzzle is to add word "some" before "fans".

 

[tenhagsimp]

Behave like Ronaldo, get shit on by fans.

Behave like Dean Henderson, get shit on by fans.

Behave like Maguire, be loyal and stay on, get shit on by fans.

United is really the most toxic club.

Maguire isnt loyal for the sake of loyal to the club. He's loyal to the money paid to him. If WH offer the same wage package he will pack his bag asap. Dont give us that Maguire being "loyal" bs. Lets see how loyal he is if the club cut his wage to what WH offered him.

 

[The Purley King]

Come on Harry they aren’t that crap they’ve just beaten Brighton away from home!!

 

[Plastic Evra]

Has no bearing on the money issues but yeah football wise it's hard to imagine a better match for him than WHU. Maybe he'll regret not taking this opportunity.

 

[Andycoleno9]

7 mil or football career. He chose 7 mil. Fair enough. I only hope that there will not be "leaks" from his agent and emotional interviews this season.

 

[Adnan]

 

[sepulturite]

Oh please please find a compromise!

 

[jadaba]

Go on Harry, have a look at the table, why settle for us in sixth when you could be challenging for the title with West Ham?

 

[Malone_Post]

Its the hope that kills.

 

[Loon]

I thought they’d come back or someone else would move for him. I think the run up to Deadline Day is going to be interesting…

 

[Redlyn]

He should obviously leave but can we afford to let him go without a replacement? Is Evans staying?

 

[Tap]

Behave like Ronaldo, get shit on by fans.

Behave like Dean Henderson, get shit on by fans.

Behave like Maguire, be loyal and stay on, get shit on by fans.

United is really the most toxic club.

He is loyal to the big money contract, not to the club.

Besides if being “toxic” means getting rid of the dead wood and having a bit of semblance to the likes of Real Madrid where excellence is an expectation, it’s not that bad a thing.

 

[Adnan]

He should obviously leave but can we afford to let him go without a replacement? Is Evans staying?

The replacement seems to be Todibo if reports are to be believed.

 

[NoPace]

I'm surprised we didn't just sign Edson Alvarez to backup CB and DM and sell West Ham both Mctominay and Maguire. Then 40M to spend wherever else Ten Hag wants, maybe some on a loan for a striker or a young prospect CB since we don't seem to have one close to breaking in.

 

[Tap]

He's got nothing to prove to you lot!

Better to keep it that way than him getting on the field to “prove” something.

It means our defence is still largely intact in terms of fitness

 

[sglowrider]

Hopefully Harry looks at the back pages and notices the league position of the Hammers.

Table topping Hammers.

 

[FerociousCorgis]

Idc who gets injured find someone in our reserves who can play the way we want and sell maguire

 

[TsuWave]

Maguire please just feck off, please

 

[captain666]

Just make sure this new approach has a positive ending this time.

 

[Tyrion]

Why does the thread title now say "Sun Readers"? I honestly wondered if he got in a spat with that rag.

players would hardly move if thats the case. His time is up and time to move on, players usually accept it and start another chapter of their career. It says a lot for him he has no ambition or drive to play football, after already a year being on the bench. Genuinely cant think of a worse captain weve had

I'd say most aren't facing as big a drop in wages as he is. It's the club's fault for throwing money at average players.

I doubt he's alone in wanting to maintain a better salary but I imagine most players take pay cuts of say 20% or so rather than 50%.

 

[MrMarcello]

I'm surprised we didn't just sign Edson Alvarez to backup CB and DM and sell West Ham both Mctominay and Maguire. Then 40M to spend wherever else Ten Hag wants, maybe some on a loan for a striker or a young prospect CB since we don't seem to have one close to breaking in.

Because the football department structure is inept with no ethos, philosophy, or plan and not modernized, from the outside looking in as I could be wrong.

 

[Tyrion]

Because the football department structure is inept with no ethos, philosophy, or plan and not modernized, from the outside looking in as I could be wrong.

You're right. The club spent about 18 months looking for a director of football and then gave the job to the head scout we already had. It is funny watching them be so bad. They've wasted hundreds of millions through their own incompetence and its less money for the leeches.

 

[Adnan]

I'm surprised we didn't just sign Edson Alvarez to backup CB and DM and sell West Ham both Mctominay and Maguire. Then 40M to spend wherever else Ten Hag wants, maybe some on a loan for a striker or a young prospect CB since we don't seem to have one close to breaking in.

He's a DM who was worse than the back-line at Ajax on the ball. Hence ten Hag utilised his CBs and fullbacks to control the build up post Frenkie/Schone. He's a good fit for a David Moyes team but not good enough for us due to his limitations in possession. We should be aiming higher.

 

[Adnan]

You're right. The club spent about 18 months looking for a director of football and then gave the job to the head scout we already had. It is funny watching them be so bad. They've wasted hundreds of millions through their own incompetence and its less money for the leeches.

You just made this up.

 

[Tyrion]

You just made this up.

I didn't. It was public knowledge they were looking for one about a year before appointing him. This is the news that we planned to appoint a DOF in 2018. https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/aug/11/manchester-united-director-of-football

And this is the news of it actually happening in Mar 2021: https://theguardian.com/football/20...t-john-murtough-clubs-first-football-director

United’s appointment of Murtough ends a three-year search by the club for someone to fill such a post.

 

[Adnan]

I didn't. It was public knowledge they were looking for one about a year before appointing him. This is the news that we planned to appoint a DOF in 2018. https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/aug/11/manchester-united-director-of-football

And this is the news of it actually happening in Mar 2021: https://theguardian.com/football/20...t-john-murtough-clubs-first-football-director

You said we gave the DoF job to a head scout, which isn't true. He was never a head scout.

 

[sillwuka]

He's 4th choice and clearly down the pecking order.

West ham are flying, they've reinforced the squad with Alvarez, Kudus, JWP. This could be a project he's interested in now surely?

 

[NoPace]

He's a DM who was worse than the back-line at Ajax on the ball. Hence ten Hag utilised his CBs and fullbacks to control the build up post Frenkie/Schone. He's a good fit for a David Moyes team but not good enough for us due to his limitations in possession. We should be aiming higher.

You may well be right about the player's quality, I was saying based on his transfers so far here, I'm surprised Ten Hag didn't choose the guy he worked with in Alvarez who can cover both positions and use the 25 or 30M left over on a reliable (if low upside or loan) #9 or a young player he rates as our long-term RCB or just a young player he rates in general, really anywhere but LW and #10 where we now have options.

 

[croadyman]

He will fancy his chances of playing more if Rapha is going to be out injured

 

[Adnan]

You may well be right about the player's quality, I was saying based on his transfers so far here, I'm surprised Ten Hag didn't choose the guy he worked with in Alvarez who can cover both positions and use the 25 or 30M left over on a reliable (if low upside or loan) #9 or a young player he rates as our long-term RCB or just a young player he rates in general, really anywhere but LW and #10 where we now have options.

I think the plan is to go for a controlling #6 next summer. Someone who is comfortable playing on the half turn against the opponent's press and progressing the ball forward. And I think that player will be coming into replace Casemiro.

In the meantime it's become evident that the plan was to develop Kobbie Mainoo in a deeper role. And it'll be interesting to see how that plays out once Mainoo returns from injury.

 

[Rake]

It is depressing that this guy is one injury away from being a starter and this early into the season... Shaw's injury has effectively cost us in two positions.