Maguire | he stays!

Abraxas said:
I think this is a bit harsh as a general statement. He's a bad United player. I'm not sure he was a bad Hull or Leicester City player. So that's probably indicative of something.
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He’s not even bad as a United player, before his injury during lockdown he was immense. His confidence seems to be low, probably by the pillorying he constantly gets and he doesn’t fit the way ETH wants to play. We’ve seen his performances for England also. He will move to another top team and will shine again I’m sure.
 
Andycoleno9 said:
Isn't that 10 mil payment loyalty bonus? Something which every player gets if he leaves during the contract?
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No, it depends on whether they negotiated such bonus and how its paid. Also 10m for loyalty bonus would be a lot.
 
Plant0x84 said:
He’s not even bad as a United player, before his injury during lockdown he was immense. His confidence seems to be low, probably by the pillorying he constantly gets and he doesn’t fit the way ETH wants to play. We’ve seen his performances for England also. He will move to another top team and will shine again I’m sure.
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But I think being unfit for the way ETH wants to play probably makes a bad United player by definition. It just means that he's a bad fit, resulting in bad performance. Then of course he loses confidence, but that's because he's bad.
 
OrcaFat said:
How much will we get for him?

He was excellent until the Greece episode (or thereabouts). Suits a defensive styled team as per Southgate’s England. Underrated on the ball imo. Him, Shaw and Rashford were decent down the left.

Who are the takers, given his salary?
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He. Was. Not.
 
OrcaFat said:
He was too <stamps feet, grumpily>. Post #683 in this thread is accurate.
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What does excellent mean? Top 3 in the league, top 5 in the world in his position, world-class even? He was none of those things at any point in his career and someone who was bought as the most expensive defender ever should be. He is judged differently because of what he is supposed to bring. He was supposed to be good enough to be the lynchpin of the defence and then to be a captain that drives United. He hasn't and doesn't do any of those things. I don't think Maguire needs to be public enemy number one the moment he steps on the pitch but he has never been good enough and has never been "excellent". He has at some point been a very good Premier League defender, but that is not what United needed from his transfer (and he has rarely delivered even very good, anyway).
 
Does anyone actually want him? All the comments I see from other clubs fans are along the lines of "feck that".
 
Plant0x84 said:
He’s not even bad as a United player, before his injury during lockdown he was immense. His confidence seems to be low, probably by the pillorying he constantly gets and he doesn’t fit the way ETH wants to play. We’ve seen his performances for England also. He will move to another top team and will shine again I’m sure.
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He was seen as and was a huge miss against Villareal, he genuinely was playing some good stuff.
 
OrcaFat said:
He was too <stamps feet, grumpily>. Post #683 in this thread is accurate.
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It’s always funny how Maguire stans insist on the Greek incident as something to blame his downfall on when, *check notes*, his Euro team of the tournament inclusion and finest form for Utd was after that incident.
 
Semigoodlookin said:
What does excellent mean? Top 3 in the league, top 5 in the world in his position, world-class even? He was none of those things at any point in his career and someone who was bought as the most expensive defender ever should be. He is judged differently because of what he is supposed to bring. He was supposed to be good enough to be the lynchpin of the defence and then to be a captain that drives United. He hasn't and doesn't do any of those things. I don't think Maguire needs to be public enemy number one the moment he steps on the pitch but he has never been good enough and has never been "excellent". He has at some point been a very good Premier League defender, but that is not what United needed from his transfer (and he has rarely delivered even very good, anyway).
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Yes I’ve read many long winded posts about how shit he is and always has been. I don’t agree with them. He’s been England’s best defender for a few years, in the right system. Stick him against Mbappe and he might struggle, I’ll give you that.
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
It’s always funny how Maguire stans insist on the Greek incident as something to blame his downfall on when, *check notes*, his Euro team of the tournament inclusion and finest form for Utd was after that incident.
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Yeah he was still good after that but it did affect his form for a while. Bear in mind I’m just a confused old man.
 
Yeah probably Im just sorry a total fraud like Lindelof gets a free pass and an average back like Dalot gets a new deal. We should strive for better for sure and Maguire has been a scapegoat for many fans while we had issues all over the pitch. I wish the best of luck in a club like West Ham, Everton or Crystal Palace because that is his pinnacle which is not insulting him it just is what it is.
 
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Plant0x84 said:
He’s not even bad as a United player, before his injury during lockdown he was immense. His confidence seems to be low, probably by the pillorying he constantly gets and he doesn’t fit the way ETH wants to play. We’ve seen his performances for England also. He will move to another top team and will shine again I’m sure.
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He’s never been immense in a United shirt. Never. There’s been good performances here and there, but he has never had a prolonged period of being excellent. Consider what Martinez and Varane have played like this season. Maguire is not capable of that.
 
Giggsyking said:


zero ambition
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As has been said by many people - the only way we get this guy out is if we subsidise wages/pay him off. Anyone thinking he’s going to take a 50% reduction to go play for a random mid table side is just completely off. £190k a week to sit on the bench and play 15-20 games a season is very hard to let go off.
 
He’s got to be our biggest loser this season. If he stays it’s because the offers on the table aren’t paying anywhere near the same, he has no reason to throw away his England career otherwise.

Would be incredibly cathartic if him, Sancho and Martial left this summer but we’ll be lucky to shift 1/3.
 
TheGame said:
I would take any comments like a 'source saying this and that' with a pinch of salt unless someone wants to put their name to the comment.
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“First team coach at United with close links to Andy Mitten says Maguire is shit.”

I think it’s a given that the Athletic are well connected within most clubs.
 
I don’t see him going this summer is the problem, he’s on good money and with United on an upward trajectory he will win trophies albeit from being a sub and not as club captain.
Think ETH should change the captain officially now and let Maguire have the summer to think over his options and be prepared to leave or be a squad player.
 
Transfers are always far more complicated than the endless tweets like to make out.

Moving Maguire on this summer will be very difficult...not impossible like Martial! but still very difficult.
 
AbusementPark said:
I don’t see him going this summer is the problem, he’s on good money and with United on an upward trajectory he will win trophies albeit from being a sub and not as club captain.
Think ETH should change the captain officially now and let Maguire have the summer to think over his options and be prepared to leave or be a squad player.
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Without a doubt.
It was clever management not changing captain immediately, or even mid season as it'd just be a really destructive blow.

But you need your captain to be playing the majority of the games. So Bruno/Casemiro or someone need to be the choice.

A "club captain" is a different thing. That can be someone who doesn't play as much as they used to, like a mid 30s Robbo etc, but Maguire shouldn't be either.
 
Lloris is leaving .. Maybe we can send them Henderson too..
 
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