Theyre both too prone to injury; we need to buy a top flight, fast, strong central defender to partner Maguire and use Bailly and Lindelof as back up.
Maguire and Lindelof Partnership
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Yes, but I doubt it will happen now that Bailly signed a new contract. If he stays fit, Bailly+Maguire could be just what we need, and if not, there is consolidation is the fact that Lindelöf has been pretty decent the last few months.
7 goals conceded and 7 clean sheets in the last 13 games all comp playing together. They have improved lately.
We have also been less attacking in setup lately. Our goals are not flowing by any stretch. But yeah they have looked much better.
It’s six months since we lost a PL game with Lindelof and Maguire as CB pair.
so definitely no place for homegrown and younger Tuanzebe? I'¡d pick him up every single day over Bailly
Nice. Seriously nice.
I don't know if we have been less attacking, or just less effective when attacking (please share stats if you have something to suggest either way).
However, since Lindelof came back from injury against Liverpool and the two have improved, we have also seen much more attacking verve from our full backs which can be demonstrated by the stats (Shaw has created most chances etc.)
For the centre of defense to have been so stable considering the start to the season, whilst our fullbacks have finally started to become an effective attacking tool after years of complaints is pretty impressive.
I definitely think Henderson introduction has helped to further the form.
Underrated pair. Under a top manager they would look world class and they still look pretty good for us.
Just a classic post. So Lindelof who looked poor under Jose and is currently playing very well alongside Maguire under Ole, and Ole is holding back both Lindelof's and Maguire's potential? This is a satirical post I am guessing?
The Maguire/Lindelof partnership had really begun to gel the last few months. Not Ling before that, the (short-lived) Maguire/Bailly partnership looked pretty decent too.
If Varane could be brought in for 30-35m I’d do the deal but if not I’m good with our four CBs we have now. Precious few pound the Glazers would be willing to spend this summer can better spent on Sancho and Rice, this assuming that Haaland is out of the question.
If Varane could be brought in for 30-35m I’d do the deal but if not I’m good with our four CBs we have now. Precious few pound the Glazers would be willing to spend this summer can better spent on Sancho and Rice, this assuming that Haaland is out of the question.
I think when we play the way we play today, they are good enough but not brilliant.
For me the issue comes if we decides to play with one CDM(this is my wish). I don't think Ole want to do that and if he doesn't, its better to spend money in a CM and a RW first.
There are some youngsters coming up in the CB positions, and I believe in them. I think Ole likes them as well, he just making sure he gets his extension before playing them more, and he is over-protecting them I guess.
For me the issue comes if we decides to play with one CDM(this is my wish). I don't think Ole want to do that and if he doesn't, its better to spend money in a CM and a RW first.
There are some youngsters coming up in the CB positions, and I believe in them. I think Ole likes them as well, he just making sure he gets his extension before playing them more, and he is over-protecting them I guess.
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Lindelof safe for another year I think
Funny cos the narrative a lot of the time is that they need upgrading, but we’re keeping clean sheets now and it STILL leads to Ole being criticised. Weird.
And with Bailly signing a new deal, which is like a new signing, CB position is solved..
They are a decent enough pair. I think another world class CB like Varane would really elevate our defense, but Lindelöf is an okay player for now.
I wouldn’t be that confident. Bailly, Jones and Tuanzebe are still injury prone and Lindelof is carrying his back injury. Remains to be seen if we get luckier or less lucky with that lot next season
I'm not, i can see that type of comment being said in the transfer window.
They are both solid enough but I don’t think they are a good pair. I’ve liked recently Lindelof has taken more of the leadership role in defence and organises Harry but like many have alluded too without the protection of Fred and McT would they be doing as well as they have been.
Someone like Varane would be handy but honestly if it was Varane Lindelof or Varane Maguire wouldn’t really bother me.
Someone like Varane would be handy but honestly if it was Varane Lindelof or Varane Maguire wouldn’t really bother me.
With Bailly and Jones tied in the long term that Maguire-Lindelof partnership is probably here to stay. That means we'll have to play McT-Fred to cover their arse which in turn means that our creativity is going to go to the shitters. I feel sorry for Ole. This club will probably fail to back him 2 years in a row
We don't play McFred to cover our CB's. We play them due to not having a solid DM.
McT and Fred are not prime Keane (and there's no prime Keane or Rijkaard anymore) but they can hold on their own if defence didn't need so much TLC. The problem is that it can't. Maguire is solid but he's painfully slow while Lindelof is useless in air and is also slow. We need to win the battle in midfield as the defence as a chin that is made of glass
Lindelof for me is the most underrated CB in the premiership, he isn't the most commanding but he's calm, composed and positions himself very well.
His distribution is good and I feel he compliments Maguire extremely well.
For me Maguire and Lindelof have been the best CB pairing in the premiership this year.
Interesting to note as well that they have looked very comfortable since Henderson has stepped into the team.
His distribution is good and I feel he compliments Maguire extremely well.
For me Maguire and Lindelof have been the best CB pairing in the premiership this year.
Interesting to note as well that they have looked very comfortable since Henderson has stepped into the team.
Maguire and Lindelof have nothing to do with 'having to play' Fred and McTominay.
It's a myth that Lindelof is slow. He has repeatedly put in faster sprints than the likes of Pogba, Bailly and McT.
He cant stay fit so no need for hopeless IF.
Next season will be exactly like this season without reinforcements. Good, but not good enough.
Completely agree with everything here mate.
I feel Lindelofs distribution has come on alot this past season too. He seems to have alot more confidence in himself and willing to try riskier long passes which are coming off more often than not.
Really hoping Baily can stay injury free and get a few more appearances too. Think he's been superb in the few games he's played this season and has alot to offer. Definitely has attributes which the other two are lacking and could be useful against teams with a bit more pace. Seems alot more settled and less unpredictable now too.
Yes they do. Why else would we play them otherwise? It's not for what they do on the ball. They do a big job of covering for the full backs and stopping the CBs having to go out to confront danger in the channels on counter attacks.
When the opposition has come at us with two quick and direct strikers getting into the channel (like Everton and Leicester notably), we have looked more vulnerable.
We won't win either of the major trophies while Maglof and McFred are consistent starters.
Some excellent observations here.
We do play McTominay and Fred quite a lot, which protects the back line, so effectively a slightly more defensive set up, hence the lack of more attacking play.
Personally, I'm not a fan of Lindelofs, although he has performed well these past couple of months, he still doesn't fill me with confidence when he plays. I also think Maguire can be upgraded eventually. Maguire does seem to grapple with forwards a lot when the ball is coming into the box, and together with Lindelof there is a lack of pace, also Lindelof does seem to be easily overcome in a physical battle with some strikers.
I don't think we would win EPL or CL with these two as the main CBs.
I also think Hendersons introduction has helped in that respect, the defenders seem more relaxed when he's behind them.
The full backs, especially AWB have noticeably been more involved in our attacking play, which, I think, is partly due to the team finding their feet, so to speak, and becoming a more stable unit, in fact developing and evolving, as most teams do.
Look better with Henderson behind them, I don't think it's a coincidence.
It wasn't an issue to begin with. We leaked a shit load of goals early on (Lindelof didn't even play in the 6-1 loss to Spurs) and since then we've been pretty damn solid. We can improve on it of course, but there are far more pressing positions that require upgrading before we even consider swapping out one of our two CBs.
We play them because they are better than the alternatives we currently have.
I'd be disappointed to go into next season with these two as our CB pair again. I don't think either of them are poor players by any means, but the lack of pace in both of them is a problem. You can see what a difference Henderson has made to the team, being so keen to sweep up behind them. It means that the entire team isn't turning and chasing back for every ball over the top, they have the confidence to leave things for him. I think we'd get the same effect with a pacy CB in that pair. Indeed a fast CB and a keeper that comes out would just eliminate a lot of the risk from through balls and let us gamble a lot more going forward. Sadly the new contract for Bailly points towards us keeping the status quo next season.
I think we just need a third option for rotation and games against very physical teams (where I'd rotate Lindelof). The two together usually work very effectively against technical teams.
To win the midfield, even if you got someone like Varane you would still see McT and fred most games, lets be honest neither your wingers or Bruno/Pogba does a good job tracking back. If half your starting lineup only work hard when they feel like it, then you need 2 hard worker on the pitch.
You never stop, do you.Regardless of how well they've performed, a top centre back pairing strikes fear iintothe opposition. That will never happen with these two as a pairing for reasons we all know.
What they've shown though is they are good enough to be our CBs for long stretches of the season without us being worse for it. In an ideal world we'd have Maguire alongside a pacey and athletic type of CB. If anyone of them was to get injured, Lindelof has proved that he's clearly capable of doing a good job for us. A bit like Jonny Evans before he became shit for us.
What they've shown though is they are good enough to be our CBs for long stretches of the season without us being worse for it. In an ideal world we'd have Maguire alongside a pacey and athletic type of CB. If anyone of them was to get injured, Lindelof has proved that he's clearly capable of doing a good job for us. A bit like Jonny Evans before he became shit for us.
IMO the two look better as a partnership with Henderson behind than compared to DDG. It might be because they can worry less about pushing up and knowing the goalkeeper will look to sweep (even if there are a few mistakes here and there)