So what? Boo's in general are tin pot. He knows already that we're unhappy, if you want to show further discontent then chant or something.
LVG Out Thread | BBC: Sacked!
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What's the latest on Pep? I know he's leaving Bayern at the end of the season with Ancelotti replacing him, but I sincerely hope the rumours about him moving to City aren't true.
I'd even keep Van Gaal to the end of the season if it meant getting Pep next year.
I'd even keep Van Gaal to the end of the season if it meant getting Pep next year.
maybe they were chanting "boo" - boo or chant LVG out or something. what difference does it make?
I got this.
Now, where's that number for club line gone?
Now, where's that number for club line gone?
What going on with David May?
He's pointing out he has no Man Utd mates & is spouting shite I'd imagine.
I believe him, ive done that numerous times, and have followed people by accident (when using my phone).
It's just a bit more sophisticated, y'know? Like you actually know what's going on and you're a proper fan of the club. Booing your own team/manager, flying fecking banners over the stadium and all that shit isn't welcome in football. In my opinion anyway.
Boo all you want but you'll never catch me booing my own!
Reckon Fabio Paratici would be a quality option in terms of what United need. In just 5 seasons him and Beppe Marotta have transformed an ageing and poor quality team that finished 7th in the Serie A with likes of Grosso, Sissoko, Melo, Diego, Zebina, Amauri, Iaquinta, while also dealing with low revenues and the departure of Del Piero, Trezeguet, Camoranesi, Cannavaro. You look at some of the players he has signed relative to the transfer money Juventus paid, and it is incredible:
Stephan Lichtsteiner - £7 million.
Andrea Pirlo - £0 million.
Leonardo Bonnucci - £10 million.
Nicola Leali - £2 million.
Kingsley Coman - £0 million.
Carlos Tevez - £7 million.
Roberto Pereyra - £10 million.
Alvaro Morata - £14 million.
Andrea Barzagli - £0.25 million.
Fernando Llorente - £0 million.
Patrice Evra - £1.5 million.
Arturo Vidal - £8.5 million.
Paul Pogba - £0 million.
Not everyone is a fan of their dealings this summer but they are rebuilding after losing Vidal, Pirlo, Tevez. Maybe one or two bad deals like Coman. But overall - they reached the European final last season, won the Serie A 4 times in 5 seasons since Paratici was stolen from Sampdoria, and their spine was built for maybe ~£60 million, especially their incredible midfield of Vidal+Pirlo+Pogba which cost £8.5 million in total. We need someone who apart from signing quality players, is also an expert at finding cheap deals instead of spending £35 million on Mané or £50 million on Lukaku. Really feel someone like him would be perfect for the club. Some Juventus supporters I know even call him baby Moggi or Agnelli.
Or maybe someone like José Caminero, who also has a good relationship with Woodward's friend Jorge Mendes, and even José Mourinho. Atletico have been exceptional since he came back in 2011, and some of their transfer deals are incredible value for money.
Aside from a DOF, I think maybe it's time to add ex-footballers as a buffer. I think if Gary does not make a good manager he can be like Rummenigge at Bayern, and before him Hoeneß, with maybe someone who is honest and brash like Keane, and someone who's a bit more diplomatic like Van der Sar or Ferdinand to complete the team. A team of 3-4 ex-footballers like that can do well, presuming there won't be political factions created because of their presence, which can be a worry at times to be honest.
“In the end, it’ll be like Barca: unwatchable. They will pass the ball back even on the goal-line.” Franz Beckenbauer on Pep Guardiola.
That was the case at Inter. He had very good relations with Moratti as well as all of the players. He had problem with media there and when RM came calling he couldn't refuse. Even his first spell at Chelsea, players were with him. If we keep this season and RM spell in parts aside, getting players with him for the team cause has been one of his strength.
Nah. Get Mourinho in and give him total control over transfers. He must be held accountable of course but he needs control.
As if our players were angels ...
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I completely agree with the last part of your post. We should follow the Barcelona model of two technical directors (football and administrative) and two technical consultant(domestic and international), that way we avoid the "one man club" scenario and everyone have less to do and can be more effective.
You do that and the club is managed by Mendes. United needs to be in control of his destiny, you can't put that in the manager's hands. People have Ferguson or Wenger in mind but these two men embody Arsenal and Unite, they see nothing outside of these clubs.
I completely agree with the last part of your post. We should follow the Barcelona model of two technical directors (football and administrative) and two technical consultant(domestic and international), that way we avoid the "one man club" scenario and everyone have less to do and can be more effective.
You do that and the club is managed by Mendes. United needs to be in control of his destiny, you can't put that in the manager's hands. People have Ferguson or Wenger in mind but these two men embody Arsenal and Unite, they see nothing outside of these clubs.
Better someone we decide to be our DOF, than Mendes getting so in your scenario.
Bayern/Barca models are definitely the road to go. Unless we find a young Fergie, of course.
Having van Gaal as director of football would be utter nightmare. 10-year deal for Rooney with obligation to play him, sell Herrera, sell everyone who plays well.
I don't really care as long as we end up with good players. If bring in duds, then Mourinho should be questioned and we should look at putting in a DoF but I'd trust Mourinho to get in the players that would suit whatever style he wants to employ.
Why is he still manager?
Its clear he's going to be sacked at some point, and to me it's clear that things have gone too far now and he's unable to turn things around. We had months of shoddy performances with the results just about being adequate enough to stave off the real criticism and now the results have turned too.
We're just wasting time keeping him at this point.
Its clear he's going to be sacked at some point, and to me it's clear that things have gone too far now and he's unable to turn things around. We had months of shoddy performances with the results just about being adequate enough to stave off the real criticism and now the results have turned too.
We're just wasting time keeping him at this point.
I'm not saying they are, but Chelsea's players are on another level of cuntishness.
So this thread turned into mostly discussions too.
But a DOF isn't just here to deal with transfers, he also take care of the organisation of youth development, he links the academy and the professionals, he builds a network with other clubs, the agents, the scouts, the amateur clubs, et al.
Might be things to arrange behind the scenes like getting a new manager in and pay off LvG. ...or he's getting a few more games
We have Stoke on boxing day followed by Chelsea with just a days rest in between. I must admit it would be very sweet if Mourinho took over and beat his old side.
We can bring someone in to do all that but the manager should have complete control over transfers imo.
He used to play for Middlesboro.
Exactly, plus the powers that be get the message loud and clear!
Not to mention the manager would have to deal with Louis' ego and forceful personality. His interactions with Koeman (which is when their relationship started deteriorating) provides a sobering reminder of the risks he would carry as a Director of Football.
http://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/louis-van-gaal-vs-ronald-koeman-history-dutch-beef-and-bickering
The manager never have complete control over transfers, it's not his money. So your suggestion isn't even realistic, someone like SAF will have a lot of freedom because he had 30 years of uninterrupted success but the rest will have to convince the board to sign the checks. So what is the best idea, give that responsibility to a board of finance specialists or let the DOFs and the manager discuss and collegially decide who are the right targets?
Impossible to tell but wont be too long I assume
The Glazers may not even need to get involved. Does Charlton have a bigger say on it than Gill and Fergie? I believe both could want Mourinho and Sir Bobby could be outvoted.
Hope I'm wrong but I'd be surprised if the club was that close to sacking him right now.
We'll snub Jose again in the hope of attracting Pep in the summer, and as much as I'd prefer the latter I think we may need Jose now to save our season.
We'll snub Jose again in the hope of attracting Pep in the summer, and as much as I'd prefer the latter I think we may need Jose now to save our season.
I'm pretty sure Pep's decision has been made and behind the scenes everyone knows what half of Manchester he's going to.
He's still a director. Just not the chief executive.
I believe Pep is City bound. If we do not get Jose now it would be just as bad as not getting Jose right after SAF left.
I would have thought the football men had a bigger say no?
I reckon with Sir Bobby and Sir Alex having a lot of influential at the club, and being football people will be sympathetic towards their own. They are unlikely to be as ruthless, unlike business people. There's also a lot to organise prior to formal announcement. Unlikely, but maybe they're still not sure about a change at this moment in time.
Surely that would be unethical and unfair to have sorted out his future whilst he was still under contract at Bayern?
I doubt anything has been signed, but you'd have to think discussions have been going on. I don't think football is that much of an ethical business really, is it?
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