Wow is this really happening?
Some have the cheek to berate other team's fans.
Some have the cheek to berate other team's fans.
LVG Out Thread | BBC: Sacked!
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He's also brought Atletico from obscurity to competing with the Spanish giants on a shoestring budget, winning a title and minutes away from a CL / League double. Not just a flash in the pan either, currently cantered their CL group and are ahead of Real in the league. I want United to be a force again and it looks like Pep is City bound, Klopp is at Pool, so really Simeone or Ancelotti are the only options in my opinion. While Simeone's Atletico aren't the most free flowing they do play with a lot of passion. Pus he gets the most out of journeymen or average players and we have a lot of them right now.
He would still be remembered for his honours. You can never beat that. Also No one remembers Busby for his feck ups and Im sure SAF will do far less feckups that Busby during his second stint
Its been coming for a long time. We are seeing no plan, no direction. Yes, we have an injury crisis but thats because we have a tiny squad. The reason we have a tiny squad is down the manager. Did he really believe we could battle for the league and keep going in Europe with such a small squad? Yes, its great to see him blood some young players, but he is inconsistent with that.
Nope. He will be here unless we fail miserably in the league and fail to qualify for the Cl. Cl was a disaster but it's done and I am less disappointed as we had absolutely no chance of going anywhere near winning anyway. Better call to be made at the end of the season. I am more disappointed with our lack of quality in the squad after spending so much than our tactics.
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How much for this improvement?
Lets wait till the end of the season shall we..
There's still 3 trophies he could win.
There's still 3 trophies he could win.
This. Would love to see a poll right now. I think LVG has lost a lot of support lately.
Madness suggesting we should sack him now. It could still end up being a very good season.
We are not other teams, we are Manchester United.
Simione has spent nearly £200m on incomings since Van Gaal has been at United. Since when is that "Shoestring"?
I wouldn't mind too much if he saw out his contract but I can't believe anyone who wanted to extend his contract is sane.
I wouldn't bat an eyelid if he was sacked tonight but no chance I just hope he is gone in the summer as the squad depth and strength clearly not good enough plus I think he is tactically inept. Also I don't believe top players will want to join this team under this man. Please let us get Pep or Ancelotti in the summer and move out the trash from top to bottom.
Calling Atletico's budget shoestring is a bit daft when they spent 135 mil euros this past summer alone.
LVG has gotten a bit lucky in that our next two games are Bournemouth and Norwich, who despite not being easy games are better than facing City or Spurs etc at the moment.
If we don't beat both of them then I think LVG's days are numbered.
If we don't beat both of them then I think LVG's days are numbered.
I'd say he has some serious explaining to do about how United could not finish ahead of PSV over 6 games. He now needs to make a genuine challenge for the league this season in order to earn a third season. If we crawl in a distant third or fourth while continuing to play dreary football, then it's time for a change,
When he won the league he'd made a net profit on transfers since taking over I believe. If you have to make back what you spend then you're performing on a budget. It could well have changed a little now with the success he's brought.
Edit: transfermarkt has Atletico's net spend in the last 2 seasons as £20 million and £22 million. United's since LVG are £101 million and £26 million. One of these teams has been transformed into an elite side.
Believe me, nothing will please me more than seeing SAF on the touchline again, leading us to yet another title.
But we have to move on. The club is still struggling to escape the shadow of the Fergie's era. We have to endure the current turmoil without him for the greater good.
How? Okay if we take over Spurs/Everton's goals, then fair enough. We're not winning the league.
I was done when Powell came on. absolute joke.
I dont care when he leaves.....as long as we get Pep after
Exactly. Which is why we don't sack a string of managers in a few years unless they are clearly out of their depth, like Moyes. Very much the exception.
Were not a short term club in any sense.
We didn't get eliminated because of tonight's game. It is due to his inept philosophy and decisions which is inhibiting and brings unnecessary pressure.
People make it sound like Van Gaal did a miracle getting 4th. He's had everything he wanted to change happen. And still he can't deliver the conviction in this team's performances that suggests and exudes "we're going places". What are we sticking around to see? Some say we're "on the verge of something special with LVG". How do you see that? Because he did it 20 years ago?
The only reason we'll end up scrapping for top 4 again is because his philosophy is holding us back.
- A tactician is able to spot patterns of play and change them for better within that game. He sits down writing his dissertation on everything that's gone wrong ready to lay it to the players afterwards. There's a game to be won.
- Pretty much all subs are like-for-like. He doesn't alter the system in game even though there are clear faults. Getting overrun in midfield? Plug the gap. Our attacking talent isn't superlative that we are sacrificing much. In fact we'd probably settle into games better for it.
- The negatives of Van Gaal are tangible. We see the same thing every week. If this group of players aren't able to play such a demanding philosophy, play to their strengths. Every criticism made by Scholes, Rio, ex player is valid because we're judging on a sample which is quite big. 18 months later and is there an improvement in football. You don't need Messi, Suarez and Neymar to take the shackles off.
People make it sound like Van Gaal did a miracle getting 4th. He's had everything he wanted to change happen. And still he can't deliver the conviction in this team's performances that suggests and exudes "we're going places". What are we sticking around to see? Some say we're "on the verge of something special with LVG". How do you see that? Because he did it 20 years ago?
The only reason we'll end up scrapping for top 4 again is because his philosophy is holding us back.
I'm done with him. Not the right man for us. I want us to recognize our own club again. I'd actually consider Giggs now. Give him until the end of the season and see how that goes.
Jesus, by checking our fixtures I was just reminded how bad we've been recently. Since mid-October we've played 11 games and only beat Moscow at home (a sneaky 1-0), West Brom at home and Watford away (last minute winner).
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Mourinho
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R Giggs
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M Hughes
Ranieri
Pochettino
Poll!
I don't want to see LVG go yet but if he did I wouldn't mind. Ultimately I believe he should pay a high price for thinning our squad so much and letting players like Hernandez and Rafael go.
Mourinho
G Neville
R Giggs
Ancelotti
Conte
Tuchel
Blanc
Simeone
LVG
M Hughes
Ranieri
Pochettino
Poll!
I don't want to see LVG go yet but if he did I wouldn't mind. Ultimately I believe he should pay a high price for thinning our squad so much and letting players like Hernandez and Rafael go.
Is Guardiolas playing style any different to LVGs?
I personally don't think he is to fully blame for tonight but overall he has been poor and unacceptable as a United manager.
Not only are his tactics and team selections mind boggling but his purchases have been underwhelming if you actually look at it. Martial is good but he should be given Van Gaal sanctioned the 50 +million fee, which in any day and age should get you a good footballer. You can't blame Martial anyway, he doesn't judge how much a club is willing to pay for him. The amount of money LVG had at his disposal was incredible but he didn't look at the squad as a whole. He has to go asap. We are going down a road of no return at this rate. We can't let our expectations drop to 'oh well at least our youngsters looked good and we had a lot of chances'.
Not only are his tactics and team selections mind boggling but his purchases have been underwhelming if you actually look at it. Martial is good but he should be given Van Gaal sanctioned the 50 +million fee, which in any day and age should get you a good footballer. You can't blame Martial anyway, he doesn't judge how much a club is willing to pay for him. The amount of money LVG had at his disposal was incredible but he didn't look at the squad as a whole. He has to go asap. We are going down a road of no return at this rate. We can't let our expectations drop to 'oh well at least our youngsters looked good and we had a lot of chances'.
OOOooo that'd genuinely be a great poll!
surprised to see we scored two, not surprised to see we lost though. had a team meal out with work tonight; in bygone times (anything from last season backwards,) i'd have pulled out citing deep, personal issues or the start of my period or something. it has to be serious to miss united when they're live and a make or break cl united game? forget about it, that's being watched.
today, i didn't give going for some food a second thought. i didn't give the match a second thought all day. whilst i was out i even completely forgot we were even on and forgot to check the score. it wasn't until i got home and thought about what i was going to do tomorrow evening, then remembering it was champions league week, before finally remembering we'd played this evening and checking the score.
for the dire football we're playing and for failing to get of this group and for slowly falling away in the league due to drawing every other game 0-0, van gaal needs to go. for making me not bothered about something i've always bothered about, he can feck himself off with a gigantic stick whilst he does it.
today, i didn't give going for some food a second thought. i didn't give the match a second thought all day. whilst i was out i even completely forgot we were even on and forgot to check the score. it wasn't until i got home and thought about what i was going to do tomorrow evening, then remembering it was champions league week, before finally remembering we'd played this evening and checking the score.
for the dire football we're playing and for failing to get of this group and for slowly falling away in the league due to drawing every other game 0-0, van gaal needs to go. for making me not bothered about something i've always bothered about, he can feck himself off with a gigantic stick whilst he does it.
It is not really working, that is for sure.
But let us see where we are at the end of the season. I am hopeful about the future as we have a lot of good young players.
But let us see where we are at the end of the season. I am hopeful about the future as we have a lot of good young players.
Get rid at the end of the season. Unless our league form falls to pieces, as much as I dislike him, sacking him mid season would be silly.
We were first in the table and before the psv game looked like the quali was routine. I dont mean it looked fantastic, but results wise we were on course.
He can stay but I don't want to see his face or hear his voice.
We seem to be a club permanently stuck in transition
I bet, Chelsea will finish there transition before us whenever they choose to start it.
I would honestly replace him with Ancelotti, especially if we are sure that Pep is leaving to City.
Their net spend is still only £20 million and that's really what matters when talking about performing on a budget. We can afford to run much higher transfer losses than that and we do, yet we're somehow not any better off for it.
Your last paragraph sums it all up perfectly. Thanks.
Beyond a preconceived agenda, am not sure what you can blame LVG for tonight. He picked an interesting team given the injury situation right now and instructed the team to play with freedom.
I don't think tonight's horrific defensive naivety is his fault nor the profligacy of our front players in front of goal!
Even his crazy looking substitutions of Jackson and Powell did not lesson our attacking efforts, especially as Mata and BFS were both very poor.
One can complain about poor squad planning or previous risk adverse tactics, but tonight our players were not up for the task.
I don't think tonight's horrific defensive naivety is his fault nor the profligacy of our front players in front of goal!
Even his crazy looking substitutions of Jackson and Powell did not lesson our attacking efforts, especially as Mata and BFS were both very poor.
One can complain about poor squad planning or previous risk adverse tactics, but tonight our players were not up for the task.
We have had 18 months of the philosophy, thats 3 transfer windows and over €300m spent. We have a sparse squad, playing football thats a cure for insomnia. Nobody can see any plan or direction, our players look pissed off and unhappy. The only reason to keep LVG is down to some misguided sense of loyalty.
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