I do not get all this about us becoming a manager merry-go-round if we sack Van Gaal. Do people consider Bayern a sacking club? Before they entered their current great period under Heynckes and later Pep they had a similar rough period with Klinsmann getting sacked in his first year (their Moyes you could say) and then Van Gaal in his second afterwards. We all know how that worked out for them. Sometimes being decisive like that pays off. Other times, like in Fergie's first three years, being patient pays off, but Van Gaal in 2015 is no Fergie in 1990. There's a good case to be made for Van Gaal's methods and ideas being outdated and us not having a mid- to long-term future under him anyway, so being patient does not seem like a good idea in this case. There are no guarantees, but success under the likes of Mourinho or Guardiola seems a damn sight more likely than under Van Gaal.
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We really did.
But we did, plenty of time.
Rafael Hernandez can feck off.
My memory of our away games in Europe was of Fergie overloading the midfield and of us manipulating the ball without much intent for large periods of the game. There were occasions where we just looked to defend a lead, but really, how often was this happening compared to Mourinho's Chelsea? The reason I know it was not as often is because it was a massive shock to me when we played with just 40% possession at the camp Nou against Barca in the 08 season. I was simply not used to us being so starved of the ball.
Manchester United hold crisis talks with Wayne Rooney leading stars asking boss Louis van Gaal to change his methods
Louis van Gaal held crisis talks with senior Manchester United players following last Saturday's disastrous 2-1 defeat against Norwich City at Old Trafford.
United captain Wayne Rooney, Michael Carrick, Chris Smalling and Juan Mata were among the most vocal players involved in the full and frank discussion with the Dutchman.
The latest exchange of views focused on his hardline training methods, the nature of his strict regime and the tactics used by the team on matchdays.
United's players believe the club's crippling injury list is being caused by over-training and have asked the Dutchman to ease off in some of the sessions.
Van Gaal is also facing a Spanish revolt by Mata and Ander Herrera, who fear their confused playing role at Old Trafford threatens their selection in Spain's squad for the European Championship.
However, this week's clear-the-air talks resulted in players and management reaching an agreement to work together in an attempt to get United's season back on track.
Van Gaal is understood to have encouraged the dialogue between players and management after dressing-room morale sank to an all-time low under his leadership.
Van Gaal has also spoken with executive vice-chairman Ed Woodward this week in an attempt to resolve some of the issues between the management and the players.
Although sacked Chelsea boss Jose Mourinho is angling for Van Gaal's job, United are reluctant to dance to the Portuguese coach's tune.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...n-Gaal-asked-change-methods-senior-stars.html
Louis van Gaal held crisis talks with senior Manchester United players following last Saturday's disastrous 2-1 defeat against Norwich City at Old Trafford.
United captain Wayne Rooney, Michael Carrick, Chris Smalling and Juan Mata were among the most vocal players involved in the full and frank discussion with the Dutchman.
The latest exchange of views focused on his hardline training methods, the nature of his strict regime and the tactics used by the team on matchdays.
United's players believe the club's crippling injury list is being caused by over-training and have asked the Dutchman to ease off in some of the sessions.
Van Gaal is also facing a Spanish revolt by Mata and Ander Herrera, who fear their confused playing role at Old Trafford threatens their selection in Spain's squad for the European Championship.
However, this week's clear-the-air talks resulted in players and management reaching an agreement to work together in an attempt to get United's season back on track.
Van Gaal is understood to have encouraged the dialogue between players and management after dressing-room morale sank to an all-time low under his leadership.
Van Gaal has also spoken with executive vice-chairman Ed Woodward this week in an attempt to resolve some of the issues between the management and the players.
Although sacked Chelsea boss Jose Mourinho is angling for Van Gaal's job, United are reluctant to dance to the Portuguese coach's tune.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...n-Gaal-asked-change-methods-senior-stars.html
We went for years going to Euro away games and setting up to avoid defeat, hoping to maybe nick a 1-0 and then relying on doing the business at home.
You don't deliberately lose possession, but the idea is to give the opposition a false sense of being in charge. It was actually one of Sir Alex's preferred methods to sit back and break with speedsters. You obviously missed some great moments with Kanchelskis, Giggs, Sharp, Ronaldo, etc... scoring on breakaways.
This is what concerns me. As much as I want LVG to turn it around, we can't be left with no one if he fails.
Well it's written by Neil Ashton and a Spanish revolt? Mata has been a bit crap from the start here plus Herrera has never been selected by Spain and isn't likely to be just 6 months before the Euro's.
Yes, the approach was often exactly that. I accept that. It was not my favourite period under Fergie, but it never reached the bus-parking levels of Mourinho's side, and certainly we would never allow a team to have 70% possession at Old Trafford. Is it really up for debate that Mourinho is a far more conservative manager than Ferguson was? Are we really willing to engage in revisionism just to excuse Mourinho's negative approach?
Same as every other team in the competition really.
If we are not in for Mourinho then maybe it's still pepON?!
That Rafael Hernandez talks about Man United more than any other team, because many of his followers are United fans so he makes tweets for the RTs. I'm not even talking about the Mouriniho tweet, the way he makes the worst case scenario tweet with claims like 'Arsenal finally looking convincing' pissed me off. Always ignore him.
If he is too thick to notice some of the things raised by the players on his own then things are worse than we thought. He is the manager, the brains of the outfit yet he can't notice that his training regime is too much!
Yup.
Arsenal will be in a complete mess once Wenger retires.
If this is to be believed and the team turns it around, they'll lay all the plaudits at Rooney feet..
This.
My apologies, I should have read further up the thread. Understood.
We need to go for Mourinho asap but I fear that if we ever had any intention of doing it Van Gaal would be gone by now. Giggs after the Christmas period is the grim reality.
We're repeating the same mistakes again and again. If we miss out on Mourinho with all the top managers going to our rivals it will be scandalous.
To be fair Rooney might have said to bench him which would be a start.
Maybe Mourinho to Madrid is one huge Mendez master plan: huge commision for that and then the inevitable Ronaldo to United move as soon as Mourinho sacks Ronnie.
So many complicated variables at play here with seemingly distant influences playing a huge role.
So many complicated variables at play here with seemingly distant influences playing a huge role.
Reading Alastair Campbell's book on winning where he talks to the best people in their respective fields about success. Some of the quotes are staggeringly relevant:
"However beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the results." - Winston Churchill
"Hoping for your opponent to make a mistake is not a strategy." - Garry Kasparov
"However beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the results." - Winston Churchill
"Hoping for your opponent to make a mistake is not a strategy." - Garry Kasparov
What if chelsea manage to get Guardiola? That would also really mix things up and piss off Mourinho so much!!!!!!
What I have seen this season is nothing to do with attacking football. And I am not alone in saying that we have been worse than woeful.
He may have been a very good manager once, but it looks very much in the past based on current evidence.
He has lost the plot. He cannot seem to understand what has worked for him before is not working anymore. I think he cannot trust himself anymore either. His entire demeanor is one of confusion.
He is done and he knows it. The board has been professional and handled this well. He will be asked to leave soon and Mourinho appointed.
I will beg to differ. Jose does play attacking football. But he also can be very pragmatic, which is where the accusation comes that he is defensive. He will get results. His personality is abbrasive and he can be petty. But the man gets results. I don't see him as a long term manager. In fact I don't see anyone as a long term manager other than one day if someone from within the club becomes the manager...big IF. This is modern football.
My main reason of why I want him in fast is I feel certain he can still get us the title, instead of just settle for 4th spot. We still have a very good squad. but they lack direction and self belief.
In the big scheme of things van Gaal and even Moyes are not huge mistakes. Because we are not waiting to make decisions. For that we need to look at what happened after Sir Matt. We got lucky with Docherty and threw him away. Until Fergie. The rest is history.
I find strange that nobody had the guts to tell Rooney that he is the dead weight dragging the team down. Guess the 'frank' talk didn't go that far...
What's to say Mendes is leaking this Mourinho to Madrid, so we actually move fast.
Van Gaal will turn it round just enough to keep his job but not enough to really achieve anything. Which is the very worst outcome possible right now.
All other decent managers will be long fecking gone by the time Woodward is ready to accept he made a mistake hiring Van Gaal.
All other decent managers will be long fecking gone by the time Woodward is ready to accept he made a mistake hiring Van Gaal.
This is the most sensible post in the thread.
no. this was your original statement:
then I pointed to a sample of few of the games where he wasn't a "poop-on-a-stick merchant" to counter your argument that he has always been a "poop on a stick merchant."
mourinho isn't always the most exciting of managers in big games, but he is capable of getting his team to play good football. us under ferguson, especially later years, wasn't always the most exciting to watch but it got us results, but you probably won't say that he was a "poop-on-a-stick" merchant either. (and he obviously wasn't)
Actually that's probably most likely! Good hypothesis and very plausible
Madrid are welcome to him.
If LVG turns things around then its great. He will only do that by playing decent football.
Giggs made his debut in 1990
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