LV Monopoly Draft - R1: Onenil vs MJJ/Viva

With players at peaks, who will win the match?


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Team Onenil


Tactics

Counter-attacking

Attack (Direct)

Suarez-Maradona-Ronaldo

Acceleration, pace, dribbling, technique and je ne sais quoi in abundance.These three can devastate even the best defenses especially on the counter.


Midfield

Breitner*-Kroos-Zizinho

Complete footballers that contribute to every phase of the game. Hard working yet skilled. Intelligent yet passionate. All with a range of passing skills available. All three contribute to solid defense and also attack. Breitner will be moving in here sparking attacks when Gentile marks out Garrincha. Kroos is instructed to remain positionally sound all throughout and contribute in all phases demonstrating his range of passing skills. Zizinho will dominate his right side half space on both offense and defense feeding Ronaldo and playing off Burgnich. Kroos and Zizinho are tactically aware players with great physicals. They aim to stifle the root of attacks from opponents disrupting their rhythm. Breitner lines up at LB against Garrincha distracting the angel with bent legs with Maoist propaganda and sordid tales of vivacious women at the after-after party.

Defense

Gentile*-Materazzi-Lucio-Burgnich-Handanović

Hard, powerful in the air, dominating in man marking, positionally aware, intelligent, tricky and not afraid of anyone. The key to my defense is the versatility and complementary nature of my players. Gentile and Burgnich are standout man markers and very tough gentlemen. Indeed, Burgnich is one of the best defensive right backs in this draft. Gentile is possibly the best man marker of all time. Gentile man marks Garrincha. Lucio offers aerial skill, positional awareness and passion. Breitner is an iconic World Cup winning left back whose skill set assists the defenders perfectly. Also Handanović is an underrated gem of a keeper of this generation. Serie A keeper of the year in 2011 and 2013 over Buffon, Handanović has kept Inter in a lot of matches in recent years.

Lucio, Gentile, Matarazzi and Burgnich are all historic Serie A masters of the dark arts. All the tricks legal and sometimes less legal will be employed to stifle the opponent’s rhythm and spirit. Lucio can feck with Drogba. Burgnich is the original Rock. Gentile is probably one of the best players of all time to take Garrincha out of the game. Lucio and Materazzi are a vicious tricky pairing.

Width

Because it was brought up with my tactics before I should clarify. In my opinion, asymmetric width can be very successful. My side is set up more to defend the width on one side (Burgnich shutting down that side) while stretching the attack on the other (with Suarez and Breitner). I don’t feel this is weakness because we want to control space and positional play as counter attackers. Zizinho and Burgnich aim to manipulate that space with counter thrusts when needed. Counter attackers can use that extra space and then cut inside still exploiting the flank space. Burgnich can attack down that flank on the counter without needing to overlap with Zizinho, Ronaldo and Maradona for him to provide service.

Opposition Instructions

My opponent has assembled a truly beautiful set of players. They are all phenomenal. However, in an all-time game play situation, I believe my players complement each other’s styles better. Passarella and Scirea are both outstanding but they are very similar in that they are ball playing, like to move into midfield and aren’t the fastest or the most physical. I don’t believe as a pair they are ideal to stopping my combo of Maradona and Ronaldo.


Sagnol was rated for his offensive prowess often playing as a wing-back and known for his crosses. This is not the most optimal support for Garrincha. Garrincha would be better paired with a full back like my own Burgnich.


These are the areas we will attack on the counter. Maradona, Ronaldo and Suarez have insane pace, dribbling and combination play to overwhelm the opposition. We will exploit Sagnol and Cashley’s attacking tendencies. We ruthlessly attack the space around Scirea and Passarella and force them into uncomfortable positions. Maradona is also a historical rival in the dressing room to Passarella. Diego will gain joy from this psychological match-up.

Team MJJ/Viva

General Tactics:
Formation
- 4-3-3, a strong back core with two strong defensive minded midfielders to allow Passarella his freedom to run the show from the backline. 3 amazing rapid forwards to lead the line.
Attacking Tactics - It's far from being our only option, but the ability to break fast from the back and reach the final third quickly is our strongest asset. Our front trio's are incredibly fast, talented and good on the ball and they all have an eye for the goal. Garrincha & Best will scorch the wings and create havoc to any full back out there, keep them guessing between their incredible technical abilities wether they are going to cut inside towards the goal or send a lethal through ball to one of the best finishers possible - Denis Law who'll look to find the tight spaces between defenders and use his killer instinct to score goals. When building slowly, we've got Passarella whose one of the best creators from deep as well as Overath to help create chances in the final third if we choose to work it through the middle.
Defensive Tactics - Because our ability to strike fast when we attack, we'll try to soak some pressure and sit rather deep. The defensive combination of Passarella-Ruggeri is so complimentary that we had to leave Scirea on the bench. Ruggeri is the defensive Hulk and is regarded as one of the strongest CBs the game has seen, marshalling Argentina's 1986 defence who had the best defensive record in that years' WC. Passarella needs no introduction, he's regarded as the best CB to ever come from South America and the only weakness he had was his amazing abilities pushing forward which he enjoyed using. To cover for that, we've got Duncan Edwards in defensive midfield, one of the most talented losses of the Busby Babes who died in the Munich Air disaster in 1958. In his 150+ caps for United before his early death, Edwards was renowned for his defensive abilities playing in a role that today would be something between a CB and a DM, and he'll be perfect to help make sure there won't be holes in the defence.


Key Points
Our opponent has an amazing attack as well with Maradona-Ronaldo(and possibly Suarez), we won't deny it and won't try to diminish it. Goals are likely to come in this game for both sides, but we feel our defensive line and shielding from midfield is stronger and moreover our attack will target Burgnich-Marzolini while his attack will target Ruggeri-Passarella-Edwards which will be tougher to break.
Lack of width will cause problems for our opponent, with Burgnich/Marzolini(or Breitner) forced to be very selective of their runs forward, otherwise Garrincha-Best would surely punish. That could be the key factor to decide the match with our team looking to outscore the opposition.[/QUOTE]


 
I watched Germany and their games in the 1974 World Cup for this draft and I must say that Breitner was an absolute highlight for me and possibly the best player in the team from that left back role and for me he deserves to play in a final in an all time draft as a left back if his role is justified. I just started watching the 1972 tournament this morning and Breitner is a completely different player there, more how I think most of us remember him, and more of a limited playmaking left back. Against the Swedes in '74 he was one of Germanys biggest threats going forward which speaks volume for a left back and he managed to not just be a playmaking left back, but also make marauding runs inside in to space or typical overlaps.

The most surprising factor though was that he also had the freedom defensively to sometimes end up leading a counter for Germany in central areas with just the striker ahead of him. :lol: I can actually see how Gentile and him would be absolutely fantastic on that left hand side and it would allow him to be the best Breitner he could be, with Gentile pulling a Gentile on Garrincha.

On the other hand I am not a big fan of having three ball carrying players in those central areas in Maradona, Ronaldo and Zizinho and I think one of them would be enough and they don't complement each other much. Suarez definitely would however but then there is also the issue that Zizinho as the sole width on the right just doesn't seem right to me. He had the abilities to fill that role fairly well but he'd definitely enjoy a winger, or at least an offensive full back on the outside of him to be at his very best.

There is just nothing wrong with MJJs side though and so much to like with Best/Garrincha/Law(?!!?!) playing together and then Blanchflower and Edwards in the midfield with Overath there as well. I just can't see beyond a MJJ win here I must say even if I will take the match thread discussion in to account later on and may change my mind if something drastic happens.
 
Good luck @oneniltothearsenal ! Great side you built there.
I've voted to us so I can see the scores, you can do the same as these votes will be discarded anyway.

That problem is there in both teams in my opinion, more so with Best and Garrincha.
It's hard creating an all time side without having more than one player as the key leader on the ball as most of these amazing liked doing it for their respective teams because most of them were the undoubtful best choices to do so for their teams. I'm saying that both on our ball leaders and Onenil's. The same way I'm sure Best and Garrincha will understand they should share the load because their teamates also good for the role, I'm sure Maradona/Ronaldo would be able to do it. We have to give these players the benefit of the doubt and hope they'll be able to share the load otherwise 99% of the all time teams we build would be egoistic clusterfecks.

@Annahnomoss Breitner is one of my favorite all time players after reading and scouting videos of him for past drafts(and we share similar afros), he's an absolute monster and as good at CM as he is at LB for me but I don't really see how Gentile can: A. Stop Garrincha alone that easily if Breitner gets the attacking freedom, and B. Leaving the midfield battle forcing Kroos to deal alone with Overath.
 
Two major points we feel are strong for us are:
Best vs Burgnich - not taking anything off Burgnich who is a really good defensive RB, but faces a very tough job for this game with Georgie Best.
Law vs Matterazzi&Lucio - a proven partnership in CB for onenil, but is it strong enough to hold out a striker in Law's calibre?
 
What's the point of starting Breitner on the left with Gentile marking Garrincha? Why not start both at the positions they'll eventually end up?
 
I was looking at the roster after the draws and thought it was a pity that all the drops and sacrifices seemed to have really messed up @oneniltothearsenal's great start. He has still managed a better and more effective setup than expected just scanning through the names. Great use of certain key players although I don't get where the hard on with Zizinho comes from (great player, but last couple of drafts he seems to be entrusted with a lot to chew on).

I don't understand why Scirea is on the bench when he is better than every defender on the pitch. :confused:
 
What's the point of starting Breitner on the left with Gentile marking Garrincha? Why not start both at the positions they'll eventually end up?

With ball vs without ball?

It looks fine to me.
 
Even with Ruggeri, starting Passarella over Scirea... against Maradona-Ronaldo-Suarez...
Meh.
 
With ball vs without ball?

It looks fine to me.
Gentile is man-marking Garrincha full-time, so he'll be a permanent left back anyway. Why not start him there (he played on the left frequently and it's not like he give a feck where to play anyway), with Breitner as a midfielder?
Or at least a back 5 with wing-backish Breitner joining midfield and Gentile staying put?
 
What's the point of starting Breitner on the left with Gentile marking Garrincha? Why not start both at the positions they'll eventually end up?
I was hoping that onenil will go with his team playing their own game instead of spending half the time focussing on how to stop Best and Garrincha wasting entire players on doing that and unfortunately that is what he has exactly done there. That's not going to work whatsoever and will only give more control and time on the ball to those players who will find a way through. The key was obviously to stop that midfield engine room and not let those two get much of the ball given how harmless someone like Garrincha is without the ball. Sitting deep against those players and letting the midfield control the game is suicidal, will not work. Comparatively I see Maradona having very less if any influence on the game with that midfield support, or lack of, behind him.
 
I was hoping that onenil will go with his team playing their own game instead of spending half the time focussing on how to stop Best and Garrincha wasting entire players on doing that and unfortunately that is what he has exactly done there. That's not going to work whatsoever and will only give more control and time on the ball to those players who will find a way through. The key was obviously to stop that midfield engine room and not let those two get much of the ball given how harmless someone like Garrincha is without the ball. Sitting deep against those players and letting the midfield control the game is suicidal, will not work. Comparatively I see Maradona having very less if any influence on the game with that midfield support, or lack of, behind him.
I agree with this.

Also Scirea should've started, regardless of Ruggeri/Passarella partnership. Scirea is the best CB on the pitch.

To me Gentile should be a LB to man mark Garrincha(as harms noted) if that was the formation and tactics and Breitner in midfield. Onenil has really focused on neutralizing the opponent rather to his own game, which is odd given the star quality he has in his team.

I'll follow the discussion but looking at the two formation I can't see onenil utilizing that right flank, while MJJ/Viva formation is more straightforward and balanced from the initial look of it.

Breitner/Kroos/Zizinho midfield is perfectly capable of taking the game to MJJ/Viva in midfield and sharing the possession at least.
 
With ball vs without ball?

It looks fine to me.

Garrincha is usually outside right, he'll be closer to the touchline/byline more often than not. I don't think Gentile will occupy that LDM position that much throughout the game as depicted on the formation. Defensive LB is pretty much the position he'll end up throughout the game.
 
Well, Viva wins the line-up prediction contest. 3-1, at a glance.

As for the Gentile/Breitner thing, it seems to be mainly a matter of presentation. It's clear from the description that Gentile is simply tasked with marking Garrincha, with Breitner performing a hybrid duty of sorts - I assume that the halo effect is meant to indicate the latter, i.e. that G. plays a free role (so to speak).

Arguably a bit confusing, but then again simply sticking him at LB could have been confusing too - as his brief is limited. And Breitner is meant to operate as an actual LB (albeit a highly specialized one, who goes centrally as much as he sticks to the flank).
 
Garrincha is usually outside right, he'll be closer to the touchline/byline more often than not. I don't think Gentile will occupy that LDM position that much throughout the game as depicted on the formation. Defensive LB is pretty much the position he'll end up throughout the game.

Sure, and given the instructions it is clear anyway that he is a spare CB for that specific job. The key though is he wants Breitner to play in his 74 leftback role, so placing Breitner there is more accurate and honest than putting him in midfield because Gentile occupies the slot clearly given to Breitner.

You may disagree (like Aldo) on Breitner's instructions, but given the instructions it is portrayed accurately IMO.
 
Yeah, my point was that I prefer midfield version of Breitner to left back one and considering that he'll be needed there full-time... but fair enough
 
Even with Ruggeri, starting Passarella over Scirea... against Maradona-Ronaldo-Suarez...
Meh.
I'm baffled. Given the task at hand I would have considered Passarella-Scirea, but never dropping Scirea.
 
I was hoping that onenil will go with his team playing their own game instead of spending half the time focussing on how to stop Best and Garrincha wasting entire players on doing that and unfortunately that is what he has exactly done there. That's not going to work whatsoever and will only give more control and time on the ball to those players who will find a way through. The key was obviously to stop that midfield engine room and not let those two get much of the ball given how harmless someone like Garrincha is without the ball. Sitting deep against those players and letting the midfield control the game is suicidal, will not work. Comparatively I see Maradona having very less if any influence on the game with that midfield support, or lack of, behind him.
You would have to buy Zizinho's monster job of helping close out the midfield generation while providing all the width on the right. I don't, which is why I ask what happened that after a year out I find Zizinho being so pivotal to his team's setups (last draft he also seemed to overstay his welcome in my book).
 
One team is debating who to start between Scirea, Passarella and Ruggeri and the other has a CB pair of Materazzi and Lucio. Unfair.
It is indeed, that struck me straight away and I wondered if they were just taking the piss. Hubris is never a good thing in football.
 
Probably mine and Annah's presentation of him happened :wenger:
 
Gone for onenil.

Weird portrayal of Gentile / Breitner though - I don't really get that.
 
After Ronaldo/Maradona/Suarez have scampered around Ruggeri/Passarella/Sagnol/Irwin, it's hard to envisage anyone better than Scirea who you'd want covering.
 
I don't understand why Scirea is on the bench when he is better than every defender on the pitch. :confused:

Seems to be a real consensus here, never thought the gap between him to Passarella to mean much but maybe thats just my personal preference. Passarella-Scirea wouldn't work in my eye but if everyone(@MJJ included) think Scirea is obviously better than Passarella maybe I was wrong, won't be a first.

If everyone tell you you're wrong, the right thing to do is listen, so to listen I shall.
Early sub - Scirea for Passarella. @Edgar Allan Pillow if you can update whenever possible.

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I also thought you'd point out, like you usually like, how onenil made several mistakes in predicting our lineup thinking we'll start with the likes of Drogba (ahead of Law), Cashley(ahead of Irwin) or Passarella-Scirea duo. like Chester pointed :
Well, Viva wins the line-up prediction contest. 3-1, at a glance.
Oh shit, didn't notice that. Will have to change my vote.

Disrespecting Scirea is disrespecting football itself.
:rolleyes:
 
Passarella is distraught seeing the entire crowd cheering against him after a long career of being the best CB on the pitch.
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And in come Scirea, still warmed up from the pre match warm-up.
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MJJ, Seems like I bottled it!
 
Well, that's it then, onenil wins on a technicality?

No way MJJ/Viva are making it out alive from the dressing room after Passarella's early sub
 
Well, that's it then, onenil wins on a technicality?

No way MJJ/Viva are making it out alive from the dressing room after Passarella's early sub
:lol:
MJJ would, he was sent to the stands pre match and that's why all these poor choices are happening.

Never doubted Scirea's greatness, but I really like Passarella and almost never get a chance to pick him for these draft, so I was really excited playing him. With Scirea I had no doubt it won't work and Ruggeri is a much better fit to parnter either of them, MJJ wanted Scirea but I forced Passarella in before him. Seeing everyone thinking of this matchup between these two great CBs to be so one-dimensional I guess I have no option. Either way, Lucio & Matterazzi don't come anywhere close to any of these 3 defenders' peak.
 
:lol:
MJJ would, he was sent to the stands pre match and that's why all these poor choices are happening.

Never doubted Scirea's greatness, but I really like Passarella and almost never get a chance to pick him for these draft, so I was really excited playing him. With Scirea I had no doubt it won't work and Ruggeri is a much better fit to parnter either of them, MJJ wanted Scirea but I forced Passarella in before him. Seeing everyone thinking of this matchup between these two great CBs to be so one-dimensional I guess I have no option. Either way, Lucio & Matterazzi don't come anywhere close to any of these 3 defenders' peak.

I thought you would play with 3 central defenders.

A lot of people think Passarella & Scirea are amongst the top 5-7 sweepers.

So, I don't think there is a big gap between them but I have to say I've never analyzed the style of play of Passarella.
 
I didn't know we had started allowing subs again.
I didn't know we ever stopped allowing them. Apologies if so :lol:

I thought you would play with 3 central defenders.
We considered it, but again personally I'm not sure having two sweepers playing together is ideal.

A lot of people think Passarella & Scirea are amongst the top 5-7 sweepers.
Apart from Baresi & Beckenbauer, who would you rate above them?