LV Monopoly D: R1 - Jayvin vs crappy

[Edgar Allan Pillow]

vs

....................................... Team Jayvin ........................................................................................ Team crappy.............................................


Team Jayvin

Starting XI:
GK: Peter SCHMEICHEL
RB: Lilian THURAM
LWB: Giacinto FACCHETTI
RCB: Rio FERDINAND
LCB: Władysław ŻMUDA
CM: Roy KEANE
CM: Edgar DAVIDS
AM: Michel PLATINI
WF: Arjen ROBBEN
WF: NEYMAR
ST: Thierry HENRY

SUBS: Wayne ROONEY, Sandor KOCSIS, David DE GEA

A team stacked with pace, power and technical skill:
- Fluid front 3/4 with outstanding movement, pace, finishing and teamplay.
- High-energy box-to-box midfielders with outstanding defensive qualities and power and drive in attack.
- Rock-solid, highly athletic defence in front of man-mountain of a goalkeeper.

OVERVIEW:

My team will play a high energy counter-attacking style in a 4-3-3 formation.

Spearheaded by a fluid front 3/4 who can interchange positions at will. The forwards' movement and interplay with Platini will ensure a varied and unpredictable attack and a nightmare for Crappy's defenders.

Davids and Keane will play box-to-box midfield roles, using their stamina and ball-winning ability to screen the defence and break up play in the middle of the pitch, while their dynamism and ability to carry the ball forward will aid in creating quick transitions from defence to attack.

With quick and athletic players in the defence, the defensive line can afford to push up a bit higher to restrict the space of Crappy's midfielders and try to keep Muller further from the penalty box. Facchetti will be given license to push forward as he sees fit, helping to overload that flank and pull Crappy's defenders out of position, while Thuram will be slightly more controlled in his role.


Team crappy

GENERAL TACTICS

- Formation: Diamond,4-1-2-1-2 / 3-4-1-2
- High defensive line with 4 man midfield aiming to regain major portion of possession.
- Zidane in a free role behind the attacking line. Rummy to attack the space between LCB & LB. Possession based game to allow full backs to provide width when required.
- Reuter to play a slightly more defensive role to counter the left side while Camacho gets to play a more attacking one.
- Neuer in his favored sweeper keeper role
- Sammer's role:

• When opposition has the ball: Part of midfield battle to try to stifle Platini's space.
• Developing play from defense to attack: Part of midfield
• When the ball is in attacking phase around opposition's box - part of back 3 to allow the fullbacks to push up.

KEY POINTS

Midfield battle:
- Tempting to just see Davids and Keane in a midfield and write the opposition off. But I don't think Suarez and Hanegem are to be underestimated. Interesting bit is that with those 2, Davids and Keane would have to be on reactive mode IMO. Trying to stop them from playing and allowing my side to dominate possession.
- Platini will have to drop deep to develop attacks IMO, how much that will affect his effectiveness at no. 10 should be considered. Even if it is a little drop, it matters.
- Sammer's presence is critical in further reducing Platini's influence.

Effectiveness of opposition front 3:
- Henry wast never at his best for France ahead of Zidane. Platini would demand similar role as Zidane here and I don't think we should assume this is Arsenal Henry here but only French NT one.
- Probably nitpicking but Robben and Neymar can be ball hogs, will that work with Platini?
- Biggest danger either of those 3 would provide would probably be on counters. Any possession based game plan will always be susceptible to the same but I will have a potent back 3 of Nesta, Puyol and Sammer as fall back against it. Not to mention that Neuer is arguably already a contender for best sweeper keeper ever.

My take on most likely result:
- I think both sides will score but I firmly believe that my side will be able to assert more control in the match via more possession. Likes of Zidane, Hanegem, Suarez, Rummy won't indulge in zombie possession either and should create multiple chances against the opposition. Chance for one of the best number 9s in football history- Gerd Muller. 2-1 to my side

 

[Edgar Allan Pillow]

@Jayvin @crappycraperson All the best!

 

[Gio]

- Henry wast never at his best for France ahead of Zidane. Platini would demand similar role as Zidane here and I don't think we should assume this is Arsenal Henry here but only French NT one.

I think Platini/Henry would be a better partnership. Platini would be more inclined to release the ball from deep early than Zidane, which was what proved so effective for Arsenal Henry. And, apparently, was what Henry didn't enjoy about Zidane's more elegant and horizontal style.

Will post more fully later on.

 

[Edgar Allan Pillow]

As a diamond aficionado, I can only admire crappy's side. But on the other hand, Davids/Keane/Platini is one kick ass midfield

Zmuda aside, this would be so much fun to watch irl.

 

[Raees]

@crappycraperson .. could you tell me more about the attacking capabilities of your full backs, (videos would be helpful)

 

[Raees]

As a diamond aficionado, I can only admire crappy's side. But on the other hand, Davids/Keane/Platini is one kick ass midfield

Zmuda aside, this would be so much fun to watch irl.

Echo this sentiment. Jayvin's side looks electric and would be fascinating to watch, whereas Crappy's team reminds me of a AC Milan (00's) or Juve of the 90's. Very intelligent, classy and tough to beat.

 

[crappycraperson]

I think Platini/Henry would be a better partnership. Platini would be more inclined to release the ball from deep early than Zidane, which was what proved so effective for Arsenal Henry. And, apparently, was what Henry didn't enjoy about Zidane's more elegant and horizontal style.

Will post more fully later on.

I am not sure I agree with that. Henry at his peak at Arsenal did not really have a Romario-Laudrup like partnership with anyone. It was more of the fact that he had the whole side's attacking strategy built around his play that allowed him to shine. He won't be afforded the same luxury here as well. Neymar would want to be the main ball carrier on the left so I don't really only see him in a proper forward role here.

 

[Gio]

I am not sure I agree with that. Henry at his peak at Arsenal did not really have a Romario-Laudrup like partnership with anyone. It was more of the fact that he had the whole side's attacking strategy built around his play that allowed him to shine. He won't be afforded the same luxury here as well. Neymar would want to be the main ball carrier on the left so I don't really only see him in a proper forward role here.

Well I'm not really sure what the issue is with Platini and Henry then.

Henry and Neymar - yeah I get that because Henry might have less space to pull wide. Although it worked well with Pires, a right-footed inside-left in a 4-2-3-1, so Henry and Neymar could easily combine well as much as they might tred on one another's toes.

 

[crappycraperson]

Anyway I am gonna focus on my attacking players as well.

Purely in terms of forwards- my two are the best ones on the pitch, ahead of any of the opposition three.

 

[antohan]

As a diamond aficionado, I can only admire crappy's side. But on the other hand, Davids/Keane/Platini is one kick ass midfield

Zmuda aside, this would be so much fun to watch irl.

What's wrong with Zmuda? A top class CB if I ever saw one.

 

[VivaJanuzaj]

What's wrong with Zmuda? A top class CB if I ever saw one.

Even if he wasn't, with Faccchetti, Rio, Thuram, Davids, Keane & Shmeichel around him I wouldn't be too nervous about it if that was my defence.

 

[Edgar Allan Pillow]

What's wrong with Zmuda? A top class CB if I ever saw one.

In an all time draft?

 

[crappycraperson]

@crappycraperson .. could you tell me more about the attacking capabilities of your full backs, (videos would be helpful)

Camacho is the one who will have more freedom to venture forward. By all accounts he is touted as the best left back in Spanish NT history. Known for his aggressive and hard play. Interesting story highlighting the same -

Camacho, Spanish fury on the pitch
Camacho, born in Cieza -Murcia- in 1955, has 81 international caps with the National Team between 1975 and 1988, playing two World Cups and two European Cups: the '82 World Cup and '86 Mexico and the '84 France EURO, where he finished runner up champion and played the '88 Germany European Cup.

Camacho's name is closely related to great historical moments like the 12-1 against Malta and the 1984 France European runner-up champion position.

Far more significant was the way he embodied the Spanish National, the famous "Spanish fury", which described the philosophy of the squad. That style had references and some images of the review define him José Antonio Camacho bandaged by the Mexico World Cup.

The image has a great story behind it that places us at the 1986 Mexico World Cup. On June 7th in Guadalajara.

That day the Spanish National Team, managed by Miguel Muñoz faced Northern Ireland, in the second World Cup match after their debut against Brazil.

Spain won thanks to two goals, one by Butragueño and the other by Julio Salinas in the 2nd and 20th minutes. The Northern Irish goal was scored by Colin Clarke, in the second half.

Precisely that player and José Antonio Camacho were protagonists of a controversial match play.

Camacho suffered a hard blow by Clarke who hit him with his studs on the head. The Cieza-born footballer did not ask to be subbed and instead, was bandaged, an image that was immortalized in this picture.

The then player, and later Manager, recalled that play for AS 'daily journal': "A little before half time I had to go for the ball that the Irishman controlled. I took it off him and he hit me with his studs on my head, I was already on the floor.. Bleeding instantly, of course. But at the time they did not force you off the pitch if certain things happened (it was years later, when awful AIDS was about) and Dr. Jorge Guillén stitched me up in half time. The problem was that given that it was on my forehead, and there was hardly any skin, it was hard to stick the needle in, it broke twice."

Camacho, despite the injury, gave his all and effort without hidding at any time in the second 45 minutes of the match. In fact, the entire match: "I got hold of all the balll.. There was no way the injury would close up, header here, header there."

The player remembered he had to change the band twice: "Between the headers and the sweat there was no way of cutting the bleeding. I had to wait. We lost against Brazil in the first match, given they annulled Míchel's goal and we had to win against N. Ireland."

That is how that images has been instilled in all our minds when it comes to understanding Spanish football, Spanish fury, facing the players who gave their all, like Camacho.

http://www.sefutbol.com/en/jose-antonio-camacho-spanish-fury-pitch-and-coach-turns-60

And the only video I could find without deeper research -

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[oneniltothearsenal]

I am not sure I agree with that. Henry at his peak at Arsenal did not really have a Romario-Laudrup like partnership with anyone. It was more of the fact that he had the whole side's attacking strategy built around his play that allowed him to shine.

Mmm personally id say the strategy was built more around Bergkamp tactically, always more effective with Bergs then the away European matches where he didnt travel even with peak Henry.

 

[crappycraperson]

@Jayvin - Have voted for myself, would appreciate if you would vote for yourself too

 

[Gio]

Interesting dilemma presented to crappy between going balls out for a proper 3-5-2 with wing-backs or a diamond midfield. I can see the rationale behind sacrificing Sammer's attacking game to track Platini's forays into the danger area, particularly given the absence of a worldy DM in the squad. Equally though Sammer was most devastating when given freedom to join the attack - rather than retreat - as he did explosively in Euro '96. I also feel either or both wing-backs could tuck into a defensive unit if required as they both had excellent defensive qualities and instinct. There's a lot to like despite that 'sacrifice. The attack is mighty impressive too.

Meanwhile, Jayvin's team is almost final-ready: perhaps the best I've seen in a first round of a draft. Even got Kocsis on the bench.

 

[Ecstatic]

I think Platini/Henry would be a better partnership. Platini would be more inclined to release the ball from deep early than Zidane, which was what proved so effective for Arsenal Henry. And, apparently, was what Henry didn't enjoy about Zidane's more elegant and horizontal style.

Will post more fully later on.

Before the WC 2006, Zidane & Henry played 51 matchs together: Henry scored 33 goals with zero assist from Zidane! During the WC 2006, Henry scored only one goal with France with a decisive pass by Zidane:



For France, Zidane scored 31 goals (6 of them are penalty kicks) and delivered 23 assists in 108 caps, including only one assist for Henry (probably in 60 games).
Henry: 51 goals in 123 games with France.

They are simply incompatible on and off the pitch.

On the other hand, Trezeguet-Del Piero-Zidane was a successful trio.

What's wrong with Zmuda? A top class CB if I ever saw one.

Yeah, a top one. 21 games in 5 WCs.

 

[crappycraperson]

Meanwhile, Jayvin's team is almost final-ready: perhaps the best I've seen in a first round of a draft. Even got Kocsis on the bench.

It's a grand team, Neymar and Robben no where near final ready in all time pool though.

Anyway Jayvwin has already run away with it. As I fear it would happen.

Just want to know from the voters if it was the midfield, attack or defense that swung it for them?

 

[antohan]

In an all time draft?

I don't see the problem at all. Him not being a draft regular doesn't hide the fact he was as instrumental to that great Polish era as Deyna, Lato or Boniek. In fact, he is the only constant in it.

Easily in the Top 5 in the World for an entire decade, while many of the usual suspects on here just have the odd grand tourno (if that).

 

[Ecstatic]

It's a grand team, Neymar and Robben no where near final ready in all time pool though.

Anyway Jayvwin has already run away with it. As I fear it would happen.

Just want to know from the voters if it was the midfield, attack or defense that swung it for them?

I don't know the current result but you have built an excellent team to take the most out of Zidane, with a German equivalent of the trio Zidane-Del Piero-Trezeguet.

 

[Moby]

As a diamond aficionado

It's your perpetual hard-on for van Hanegem, and nothing else!

 

[antohan]

Meanwhile, Jayvin's team is almost final-ready: perhaps the best I've seen in a first round of a draft. Even got Kocsis on the bench.

It is. With this being a relatively unrestricted all-time draft, there's a few cases like his (inc. my shadow side) where the concept is final ready and all that can be expected is a quality upgrade here or there.

What I found remarkable was that he got there in 14 rounds. No drops, no steals, no funny business whatsoever, just kept piling up quality in a very coherent way.

 

[antohan]

I don't know the current result but you have built an excellent team to take the most out of Zidane, with a German equivalent of the trio Zidane-Del Piero-Trezeguet.

I'm not sure crappy likes this. It's almost a backhanded compliment: "you found great equivalents for Del Piero and Trezeguet in Gerd Muller and Kalle" WTF?

 

[Moby]

No drops, no steals, no funny business whatsoever, just kept piling up quality in a very coherent way.

As far as I observed crappy had a pretty lucky run himself. Just unlucky now to come against such a well constructed quality team, not that his isn't.

 

[Moby]

I'm not sure crappy likes this. It's almost a backhanded compliment: "you found great equivalents for Del Piero and Trezeguet in Gerd Muller and Kalle" WTF?

Hello anto, Meet Downcast.

 

[Isotope]

It's a grand team, Neymar and Robben no where near final ready in all time pool though.

Anyway Jayvwin has already run away with it. As I fear it would happen.

Just want to know from the voters if it was the midfield, attack or defense that swung it for them?

Javy's Gk, defence (other than Zmuda) and midfield are Final worthy. Imho, only few players in the pool can do better job than Robben as attacking RM also.

 

[crappycraperson]

I knew that at least @Balu would vote for me given the lovely Germans in the team

 

[harms]

I don't know, in my opinion crappy is closer to the final-ready team than Jayvin.

 

[antohan]

It's a grand team, Neymar and Robben no where near final ready in all time pool though.

Anyway Jayvwin has already run away with it. As I fear it would happen.

Just want to know from the voters if it was the midfield, attack or defense that swung it for them?

I haven't even voted but, since you are conceding:

- The setup is a good one, but the teamsheet isn't as compelling as the setup.

- Distinct lack of arrows on your wingbacks, you can skip that if you have Carlos/Cafú, but with Reuter/Camacho it's a comms error.

- Also, feck the Miramontes, if you play Luis Suárez in midfield he shouldn't need a wiki lookup. It's Luis Suárez.

- Asinine pet peeve: Puyol isn't called Carlos

- Also, if you have Neuer, make it show, push the backline up so that the gap is noticed and the quality of your keeper gets noticed.

It may all sound cosmetic. It isn't. I only had one look at Jayvin and "got it", while I had to look at your side 3-4 times to wrap my head around it. Never a good start.

Finally, and this isn't aimed at you as criticism but @Edgar Allan Pillow: only Nesta in your back four is a bigger all-time name than Zmuda in my book. Not a slight (few would suit that RCB role better than Puyol), but that's the sort if quality you are up against.

 

[crappycraperson]

Javy's Gk, defence (other than Zmuda) and midfield are Final worthy. Imho, only few players in the pool can do better job than Robben as attacking RM also.

I knew that much. perhaps it is just me but I don't rate his front 3 in context of the all time pool. But I knew most others won't see it that way.

Plenty of RWs better than Robben in this draft - Mane, Best, Lato, Figo, Jairzinho, Finney, Hamrin, Nedved

Midfield wise his is good but is mine really inferior to him?

Van Hanegem and Suarez are getting short changed here IMO. In pure footballing terms, VanHanegem was a better midfielder than either Keane or Davids. Gulf between Platini and Zidane is negligible and there is Sammer in there too.

Rio has been troubled by much inferior defenders than Muller and KHR.

 

[crappycraperson]

I haven't even voted but, since you are conceding:

- The setup is a good one, but the teamsheet isn't as compelling as the setup.

- Distinct lack of arrows on your wingbacks, you can skip that if you have Carlos/Cafú, but with Reuter/Camacho it's a comms error.

- Also, feck the Miramontes, if you play Luis Suárez in midfield he shouldn't need a wiki lookup. It's Luis Suárez.

- Asinine pet peeve: Puyol isn't called Carlos

- Also, if you have Neuer, make it show, push the backline up so that the gap is noticed and the quality of your keeper gets noticed.

It may all sound cosmetic. It isn't. I only had one look at Jayvin and "got it", while I had to look at your side 3-4 times to wrap my head around it. Never a good start.

Finally, and this isn't aimed at you as criticism but @Edgar Allan Pillow: only Nesta in your back four is a bigger all-time name than Zmuda in my book. Not a slight (few would suit that RCB role better than Puyol), but that's the sort if quality you are up against.

I have not conceded just wanted to engage the voters who voted off this early. I have not been a draft regular for some time but was under the impression that were focusing more on tactics and not just go by fancy team sheets as earlier.

 

[Balu]

I knew that at least @Balu would vote for me given the lovely Germans in the team

I was just curious what the score is after you said, that Jayvin is running away with it. Didn't make any sense to me at all, it should be a really close game which Müller would decide more often than not in your favour.

 

[crappycraperson]

I was just curious what the score is after you said, that Jayvin is running away with it. Didn't make any sense to me at all, it should be a really close game which Müller would decide more often than not in your favour.

When I said that comment, Jayvin had 8 votes while I had just one(not counting my own).

Anyway I agree with you. I don't have a problem admitting that his back 4 is better than mine but there is a also a gulf between Muller, Kalle and his front 3.

 

[Balu]

It may all sound cosmetic. It isn't. I only had one look at Jayvin and "got it", while I had to look at your side 3-4 times to wrap my head around it. Never a good start.

Really? I had a quick look at crappy's formation and loved it, instantly knew how it would work. The only thing I struggled a bit with was the role Suarez is supposed to play, but started to like it quickly as well. In comparison I still struggle to understand how Jayvin's attack would work together. Henry looks a misfit to me with all those goalscoring free roaming players behind him.

 

[Balu]

When I said that comment, Jayvin had 8 votes while I had just one(not counting my own).

Anyway I agree with you. I don't have a problem admitting that his back 4 is better than mine but there is a also a gulf between Muller, Kalle and his front 3.

Yeah. By the way, I think Kalle is the one who is truely underrated on here, much more than your midfielders.

 

[Ecstatic]

I'm not sure crappy likes this. It's almost a backhanded compliment: "you found great equivalents for Del Piero and Trezeguet in Gerd Muller and Kalle" WTF?

Gerd Muller is a striker born to score in any circumstances: let's say 1 game 1 goal. He is a GOAT who is a scorer of a great many goals but not a scorer of many great goals.
Kalle is a complete and versatile forward often renowned for his dribbling ability. He would bring pace and move around Gerd Muller.

I just did want to say I believe in the Zidane-Kalle-Gerd Muller connection

 

[harms]

When I said that comment, Jayvin had 8 votes while I had just one(not counting my own).

Tbf saying the score or even who is winning is kinda against the whole point of hiding the score for those who haven't voted yet.

 

[Moby]

I had a quick look at crappy's formation and loved it

Though you'd throw Müller under the bus.

 

[crappycraperson]

Tbf saying the score or even who is winning is kinda against the whole point of hiding the score for those who haven't voted yet.

Ooops you are probably right. I was just shocked at the scoreline when I voted myself hence the error. I will stop all the vote talk now.

 

[harms]

Really? I had a quick look at crappy's formation and loved it, instantly knew how it would work. The only thing I struggled a bit with was the role Suarez is supposed to play, but started to like it quickly as well. In comparison I still struggle to understand how Jayvin's attack would work together. Henry looks a misfit to me with all those goalscoring free roaming players behind him.

Second that.

And while we are talking about the cosmetics, the gap between Jayvin's midfield and defence, where Zidane is supposed to be, is enormous. (I'm not talking about the tactics, just about the team sheet).