What i mean is in terms of Europe. You'd hope players won't be put off by what is hopefully just one year outside the champions league.
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What i mean is in terms of Europe. You'd hope players won't be put off by what is hopefully just one year outside the champions league.
I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up at Chelsea. 32m for Costa, 27m for Shaw and their business would be done or close to done.
59m is doable for Chelsea as they finished third in the league, reached the semi final of the CL, and are in the CL next year. They could possibly spend another 20m for an extra CM or backup striker if they offload all 4 strikers they have.
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Ivanovic Cahill Terry Shaw
Ramires Matic
Willian Oscar Hazard
Costa
Azpi to provide cover for both fullbacks, Ivanovic, Kalas, and Zouma can cover as CB, Mikel and Van Ginkel (and Ake?) cover for DM, Salah and Schurle behind the striker/wing, and one of their 4 current strikers will stay as cover for Costa.Ivanovic Cahill Terry Shaw
Ramires Matic
Willian Oscar Hazard
Costa
59m is doable for Chelsea as they finished third in the league, reached the semi final of the CL, and are in the CL next year. They could possibly spend another 20m for an extra CM or backup striker if they offload all 4 strikers they have.
The problem with having those two fullbacks is exactly what we saw this season. Azpilicueta is right footed and rarely gets forward or puts in crosses. This means that Hazard takes on 2-3 defenders at almost all times and it hinders him. Ivanovic on the other side is wank at crossing too as he's a CB. They need a left sided fullback who can support the attack.
I can't see Chelsea wasting £30m on a second choice left back. Especially as Azpilicueta was one of their best players.
I think they'd end up signing Luis instead. Signing Costa and Luis, with Courtois on loan for another season.
I think they'd end up signing Luis instead. Signing Costa and Luis, with Courtois on loan for another season.
That might just be how Mourinho likes it. At Madrid he trusted Arbeola to start most matches even though he was not great going forward.
Jose likes his fullbacks to stay back. Why didn't he play Cole, if not?
Because Cole looked decent in the games he played at the latter end of the season.
Most regard Azpilicueta as having been one of their best players this season. That's precisely the basis for my point.
Cesar to rightback, Shaw left back. Not earth shattering. But they'll be nothing stopping Shaw playing all the time at United unlike Branislav being able to go right back meaning he might be rotating with Cesar from time to time in his first couple of years at Chelsea.
Yeah, but you don't really need outstanding attacking play from your fullbacks when you have the worlds best player up there in addition to the other world class players.
I just think they'd be crazy to go another season without any support for Hazard down his side. Azpilicueta doesn't overlap or take pressure off of him at all. Doesn't necessarily need to be Shaw, but they really need someone with an attacking threat back there. I actually think I remember Azpilicueta having pretty decent delivery with his right foot. He needs to go back to that side.
Right. And if he's that good playing on the left, I'd imagine he'd be even better playing in his natural position.
Though maybe now that he may be a starter for Spain he'll want to remain on the left since they have Alba at RB.
Azpilicueta has easily been one of the best LB in the league this season, while Ivanovic is solid on the right and has been a regular for years. Shaw is not guaranteed to be a starter, which he would be in United. Plus, from the reports, it looks like we're offering Southampton and him some serious cash.
Hence why I wrote this in the first place:And 'natural positions' change, after all. He's just had his best ever season playing as a LB. Who's to say he shouldn't stay there? I certainly wouldn't be too keen to gamble on it not happening, if I was Shaw.
Sorry, I'll be clearer.
What I'm disagreeing with you about is when you say that Ivanovic & Azpi looks as good as Shaw & Azpi. It doesn't look as good becasue you're playing both fullbacks out of their natural positions. Why not play your RB at RB and bring in a natural LB?
I think they do need to spend that money on a new LB.
Spending money and £30m is a lot of money for a position they don't really need to fill urgently is his point. I think they need a world class CM and striker, before left back.
Because, as I said, Mourinho really likes Ivanovic at RB. He's not only just very good there, but also very much a Mourinho type of player. And Azpilicueta has just had his best ever season playing as a LB. So yes, to Mourinho I'd say the Ivanovic-Azpilicueta set-up would look as good as or better than the Azpilicueta-Shaw set-up, and it would cost £30m less. Seems like a no-brainer.
Again, it might not work out that way. But that's surely how it would appear to Shaw.
Easily a bit of a stretch? Baines and Shaw were in most TOTY....England bias can't count for THAT much right? I mean Aguero got the nod of Sturridge and Rooney a fair bit.
Chelsea are going to pinch him aren't they?Wouldn't surprise me if Chelsea made a bid in the next couple of days.
Hope not. We should have this one wrapped up by now. Sigh.
27 million quid for a 18 year old fullback? What's even more amazing is that the deal hasn't been sealed yet. Why aren't Soton biting our hands off? What's the holdup? It just feels like the americans aren't taking anymore chances with their investment. Last seasons slap of reality has them taking serious action.
Let's take Ashley Cole on a free
Not to worry. We all know that the preparation of bids is a time-consuming and fiddly process. They won't have a bid ready until the next solstice.
And Van Gaal will hopefully nominate Rodriguez as the next target if he hasn't already. If United don't get Shaw there are equally good or possibly better alternatives!
But I do believe it's a done deal & for whatever reason they're delaying announcing it.
I believe Shaw's outcome will be revealed by the end of this week as Roy Hodgson wants it out of the way so that Shaw can concentrate on the World Cup. Either way, he is definitely leaving Southampton I suppose.
Doubt Chelsea will go for him, not the price that Southampton want. They'll be looking at other positions to spend that amount of money on first.
Why would he? He would turn down the chance of bigger money for more reassurances of playing first team football at a top club. It would be the same as Aaron Ramsay, a United supporter who moved to Arsenal instead.
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They already have Zouma and Costa signed for next season. So for CB they have Zouma, Terry, Cahill, Kalas, and Ivanovic as cover. At RB they have Ivanovic and Azpi who can also play at left back.. In CM, they have Ramires, Matic, Van Ginkel, Mikel and Ake. For the three positions behind the striker, they have Hazard, Oscar, Willian, Schurrle, and Salah.
The position that they need someone in is LB. Azpi can play there but still he has no cover and Ivanovic has no cover at RB. It makes sense to have a specialist RB, specialist LB, and a player who can cover both (which means Azpi will still get a lot of playtime).
So where else would they need to spend? If Mourinho doesn't want Lukaku, then he can offload him and the three other strikers to buy more attacking options (CAM, RM, or backup ST).
I think Chelsea can and will probably be interested in Shaw, even for 27m.
I'm getting anxious at how long it's taking us to announce what's apparently been a "done deal" for a few months now!
If Chelsea wanted him he would be theirs by now, they are not like us, fannying around taking weeks on end.
Just completely not true. Can you remember Rooney last year?
Why oh why do we always dither with everything, it's so frustrating.
The amount of players weve missed out on is unreal . We need to be so much more ruthless in the market
Even if we don't get Shaw, I have a feeling Van Gaal will get the best out of Fabio. Wait, did we sell him or was he loaned out?
It only feels like dithering because you aren't being kept in the loop.
A lid has been put on things since the bid was leaked I think. It's probably fairly close now.
No worries on the Shaw front TBF. We have shown concrete interest in him and have a head-start atleast in terms of negotiations, which by all means are at an advanced stage going by multiple media reports. Seems like a matter of says really, unless Jose gazumps us to him, which I find unlikely given that they have multiple spots to fortify and a limited budget under FFP.
Even if Chelsea somehow beats us to his signature, rumours suggest that Van Gaal has prioritised signing players from the Bundesliga. That leads me to believe we might have Ricardo Rodriguez at the corner of our minds. Not a bad backup plan at all if I'm being honest. One of the Top 3 LBs in Europe this season (already on the level of Felipe, Alaba) and just 3 years older than Shaw.
Either way we'll be getting a superb leftback for the next 10 seasons so can't complain really.
Even if Chelsea somehow beats us to his signature, rumours suggest that Van Gaal has prioritised signing players from the Bundesliga. That leads me to believe we might have Ricardo Rodriguez at the corner of our minds. Not a bad backup plan at all if I'm being honest. One of the Top 3 LBs in Europe this season (already on the level of Felipe, Alaba) and just 3 years older than Shaw.
Either way we'll be getting a superb leftback for the next 10 seasons so can't complain really.
Sold. He hasn't shown diddly squat for so many people to still think he's good enough for United
Shame!He's gone mate
Ah well, Danny Rose or Kyle Walker perhaps? I would love it if we signed Shaw though, I think he would fit us perfectly. I would love to get some transfers wrapped up before the start of the World Cup. The longer these take the more desperate we're going to get and ultimately miss out on the players we want.
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