Feeling the heat now with Telles sniffing his sweet LB role.
Yup, let's up your game. Good competition.
Yup, let's up your game. Good competition.
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I honestly dont think that would work too well, but would be interesting to see regardless. If he manages that role as well, we have a very versatile player on our hand. O'Shea MK II, but with a bit more talent
We can just about hide his lack of football intelligence at fullback/LCB, and you want to expose him as a CDM, nice one.
He was great. He was helping out our attack more as that third CB then he does when hes a LB.
And yes, his first touch is great. We switched play to him a few times, and his touch to kill the ball away from opposition was great.
Im sure hes played there a few times before and always does well. I think defensively hes better there because as a LB hes great at one on ones but the one thing he doesnt do is try and cut out crosses. as a LCB its obviously the same, but he doesnt need to worry about that part because we will have a LB (LWB) focused on that.
And yes, his first touch is great. We switched play to him a few times, and his touch to kill the ball away from opposition was great.
Im sure hes played there a few times before and always does well. I think defensively hes better there because as a LB hes great at one on ones but the one thing he doesnt do is try and cut out crosses. as a LCB its obviously the same, but he doesnt need to worry about that part because we will have a LB (LWB) focused on that.
Luke’s a much better player on left side of a 3. Last night he actually made it look easy and his distribution was top class.
However, if we play a back 4, isn’t Telles our man?
However, if we play a back 4, isn’t Telles our man?
Not for me personally. I like Telles and he has a good delivery on him, but he's not a better player than Shaw IMO.
Was thinking that too. Would be a beast in that system.
The competition for the spot is good for the team either way.
based on 60 mins? I’m going to give him at least a game and a half until I make my mind up. Because once it’s made up, it cannot change, no matter the evidence, and I will always find a random tweet to satisfy myself that my opinion is complete correct.
Telles = corners and indirect FK deliveries. If those are great, that in itself is of huge importance, and should be taken into account. Even if Shaw is a better defender, set piece deliveries may be more important in the long run
A back 3 suits him to a tee, because he can still defend a large amount of space but isn't required to go forward where he leaves a lot to be desired. In a standard PL match against lesser opposition, I still prefer Telles because he provides another player to create chances from that left wing while allowing Rashford to play more inside. Shaw has shown to be pretty devoid of ideas as an attacker besides being pretty good at driving into the box on occasion, and he is a pretty terrible crosser of the ball.They both certainly have their uses though.
I wonder if anyone has ever played a system with two interchanging fullbacks, successfully
I mean it could work. It would certainly be unpredictable, if not too messy. Telles as a make shift winger, and Shaw as a midfielder. They both have their uses, I agree. Shaw is very good keeping the ball, and lately driving with the ball too he just sucks on the final delivery.I wonder if anyone has ever played a system with two interchanging fullbacks, successfully
Honestly the most frustrating part of Shaw (and AWB for that matter) for me is that both are dreadfully one-footed. It drives me crazy watching teams dare them to cut inside and them doing a full turn touching the ball only with their strong foot to pass it back. Even if it was just being able to hit passes a dribble a bit on their weak foot, it would take both players to the next level.
Man Utd 0:0 Chelsea
Slow to release the ball and doesn’t make run. I remember he asked for a pass within a metre of Mata. In logic, he should have make dash overlap run to give Mata option at that time.
Back to his worst unfortunately. Offers zero attacking threat at left back. Very odd that he refused to make overlapping runs.
Offers zero going forward, again.
I see so much anger at Pogba's jogging. I'd like to see the same reaction for Shaw now. Jogging in support of Rashford. Didn't move when Bruno asked him to overlap.
Then lazily taking his time after 85th minute.
Poor.
Then lazily taking his time after 85th minute.
Poor.
Him and AWB are one of the major reasons we looks so dull going forward against deep sitting teams. Baffling Telles wasn't chosen instead of him.
With Shaw he is literally always out of position! Every time he gets a chance he is going to just dribble in and the worst part being he stays there instead of making space. So when Maguire releases the ball to him he literally has to control it and then turn with it! Its ridiculous, those 5-6 seconds are enough for chelsea players to close down rashford/james.
I’ve come into conclusion that not only he’s lazy but also not the sharpest tool in box.
He seems to forget he is in a football match a few seconds after he releases every pass. Him and AWB should not start matches together, minimizes us greatly in attack.
However, it does bolster us in defence, so it's a bit difficult to go about it.
However, it does bolster us in defence, so it's a bit difficult to go about it.
He is not a good modern LB. People saying that he played better against PSG than Telles, but what position? LCB. His end product is utter garbage. People are already happy if he carries the ball a couple of times past the halfway line, only to do feck all afterwards.
That floating cross he does is so annoying. Just floats it into the penalty box aimlessly.
I thought that was very interesting, he was expecting the run but he stood there and didnt move. I wonder if that's him being lazy or our players being told to defend first and not gamble (appreciate that incident was not a huge gamble btw...)
Technically gifted player, but in games like that, or when your pusing for a goal, he really doesn’t offer much. Almost never looks to run in behind
He is 25 and still hasn't got a clue how to move.
Not just attacking wise(which is quite obvious), there was one Chelsea attack where he decided he is defensive midfielder who wandered almost to the right back position and completely left left side unmarked, but luckily Lindelof saved him.
Not just attacking wise(which is quite obvious), there was one Chelsea attack where he decided he is defensive midfielder who wandered almost to the right back position and completely left left side unmarked, but luckily Lindelof saved him.
twice bruno told him to make the overlap and he ignored. In the dying minutes Rashford told him to make the overlap and he hesitated before attempting too.
He needs to be dropped. I dont know what else needs to be done at this club regarding training players on thei rmovement.
He needs to be dropped. I dont know what else needs to be done at this club regarding training players on thei rmovement.
Very lethargic today, but Chelsea's whole plan was to make our left side ineffective and they had 2 fullbacks who are great defensively on that side.
He is not an old school full back either. Positioning is horrendous, then make up for it by pulling someone and receives a pointless yellow card. James put in crosses for fun down that right side too.
I'll leave all the problems in attack because people has covered it all.
Technically gifted?! He can’t pass, cross or shoot. What are these technical gifts you speak of?
Get Telles in. Shaw can play at CB or not at all.
I don't think this is it. Wan-Bissaka at the very least was attempting to make those runs.
I considered it lazy because of Chelsea's most dangerous moment, which was the cross from James, and Shaw's complete jog to meet him before coming to a halt two meters away while he gets to put an easy cross in.
He was prancing around like that the entire game ffs.
More of the same really. The more defending he has to do, the better he looks.
At the opposite, the more he is asked to contribute offensively, the worse he looks.
He's lost the ball with some stupid passing many times in last few games. Unfortunately he's part of the bigger problem, which is wing play.
At the opposite, the more he is asked to contribute offensively, the worse he looks.
He's lost the ball with some stupid passing many times in last few games. Unfortunately he's part of the bigger problem, which is wing play.
He looked slow today. Ole should start considering playing him as CB more.
No need to get confrontational, i was just offering a differing outlook based on my initial thoughts when watching the game and challenging my own thinking at the time. The rest of your post was my initial view too.
Ah, my bad, I wasn't directing that at you. No malice intended.
) It was merely my frustrations being played out at that performance.
As others have said he slowed everything down. He was on his heels and static. Hardly made any overlapping runs and was so predictable.
Really annoying to watch. Needs to be dropped.
Really annoying to watch. Needs to be dropped.
Didn't see the game, but sounds like Shaw was a bit reluctant to get forward, but yet as a LCB he seems to bomb forward with great enthusiasm. Wonder if it's because from LCB he has more defenders covering him, perhaps not a great deal of faith in Maguire and Lindelof?
Very lucky to avoid a red card.
He was a bit reluctant to do anything today, it seems.
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