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2014-15 Performances

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Most players who spend their careers playing as a left back with a wide man in front would struggle to adapt to a system where you're the sole wide-man on your side.

Evra always looked good because he had someone to link up with, whether it was Ronaldo, Nani, Giggs or even Ashley bloody Young. Overlapping is such an underrated attacking tool.
 
Successful said:
You're too fat!!! Do you think you can just come back after the summer as if you were Eric Cantona?? Get in the gym and start working or find yourself being shipped out of the club in the summer you big baby. Can't stand players like you!!!!
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I would gamble quite confidently, that he's in much better shape than you, and is about as close to being "fat" as you are close to being a sensible poster.

ie not very.
 
He's not a wing back, he did well when we played with wingers and even in the diamond. He's not the one who can play on the left on his own though. He's class defensively but needs a lot of work on the ball going forwards.
 
really going to have to work to be the answer in a 3-5-2, but more alarmingly is how few times he finishes a game.

is it bad luck, or something we're doing, as he never had this problem at Southampton
 
Baines and Neville would struggle in this formation. Both defenders who rely on overlapping to get their crosses in.

Don't know what people want Shaw to do when he's literally got no support.
 
DevilRed said:
Is he hurt? Commentator said he was hobbling when he came off.

Feel bad for him that not only does he have to adapt to a new club, but also a new position as a wingback in a horrid formation.

He was excellent in a four man backline and would probably provide more danger on the left flank if he had a winger to play off.
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He was excellent but his crossing and finishing were still very average, so this lack of attacking presence isn't a new thing. Clyne's a much better attacking full back.
 
NotoriousISSY said:
Most players who spend their careers playing as a left back with a wide man in front would struggle to adapt to a system where you're the sole wide-man on your side.

Evra always looked good because he had someone to link up with, whether it was Ronaldo, Nani, Giggs or even Ashley bloody Young. Overlapping is such an underrated attacking tool.
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Then we need to buy a couple of proper wingers instead of trying to get players to play in a way they aren't capable. He will ruin them all before he has finished.
 
Is it just the formation or is he really not that good going forward? I've been very impressed by his defensive duties, but not much going forward. A lot of times, he doesn't seem to know what to do with the ball when in the opponent's half. Not to mention, most of his crosses are wayward. I'd expect fullbacks at United to be equally good in the attacking sense.
 
thejtrain said:
Is it just the formation or is he really not that good going forward? I've been very impressed by his defensive duties, but not much going forward. A lot of times, he doesn't seem to know what to do with the ball when in the opponent's half. Not to mention, most of his crosses are wayward. I'd expect fullbacks at United to be equally good in the attacking sense.
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That's why he needs a good winger in front of him, we are asking too much of him attacking wise. If that is what we want from him we should have bought somebody else.
 
thejtrain said:
Is it just the formation or is he really not that good going forward? I've been very impressed by his defensive duties, but not much going forward. A lot of times, he doesn't seem to know what to do with the ball when in the opponent's half. Not to mention, most of his crosses are wayward. I'd expect fullbacks at United to be equally good in the attacking sense.
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I always saw Shaw as a LB playing in traditional back 4, with a winger in front of him playing the give and go.
 
littlepeasoup said:
I always saw Shaw as a LB playing in traditional back 4, with a winger in front of him playing the give and go.
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But that's no excuse for his wayward passes and crosses. Maybe I'm forgetting something, but I still haven't seen him assist once with a good cross, despite getting into crossing positions a lot of times.
 
Watching him at wing back reminds me a bit of when Evra was playing on the wing. Overlapping a winger is much easier than actually having to beat a man.

He's a full back, not a wing back.
 
Formation didn't suit him, was almost certain nothing would happen when the ball went to Shaw, didn't look like having the beating of his defender even once. Young has had some success recently because he would try and take his man on, and Valencia did the same yesterday, Shaw didn't look capable at all but hopefully its down to fitness and sharpness. I thought Blind was actually better in that left wing back position.
 
Whats everyones opinion on him so far.

Obviously he is young. But big price tag and for me has a fair amount of improving to do to live up to that kind of value.

My biggest problems with him are in attack, which the modern day full back (And definitely wing back) need to be good at, the fact he nearly always cuts back is too frustrating I find it hard watching him when he gets the ball in a decent position and just cuts back and passes backwards to a CM or CB. Its infuriating. My other issue is how bad his crossing is. Im not sure he's put in a single ball that has beaten the first man or found his target. Really bad.

Want him to do well though so hopefully it clicks. He was so highly regarded at Saints and by all coaches etc so he must have something, and clearly he's young so a lot of maturing to do. He seems like he has the ability to attack the player and beat a man, Im just not sure why he doesnt do it, the one time I can remember him doing it cutting inside and a long run into the box he looked good. But can only think of one instance of this.
 
IwatUwat said:
Whats everyones opinion on him so far.

Obviously he is young. But big price tag and for me has a fair amount of improving to do to live up to that kind of value.

My biggest problems with him are in attack, which the modern day full back (And definitely wing back) need to be good at, the fact he nearly always cuts back is too frustrating I find it hard watching him when he gets the ball in a decent position and just cuts back and passes backwards to a CM or CB. Its infuriating. My other issue is how bad his crossing is. Im not sure he's put in a single ball that has beaten the first man or found his target. Really bad.

Want him to do well though so hopefully it clicks. He was so highly regarded at Saints and by all coaches etc so he must have something, and clearly he's young so a lot of maturing to do. He seems like he has the ability to attack the player and beat a man, Im just not sure why he doesnt do it, the one time I can remember him doing it cutting inside and a long run into the box he looked good. But can only think of one instance of this.
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1st season and has looked solid defensively. That's all I ask.

His attacking power will get stronger the more he feels settled in the team IMO, less scared of losing the ball and looking bad. I think many people would question him more if he was defensively suspect, so that's a good sign.
 
He's bloody brilliant, and the sooner we stop this wingback nonsense the better he'll be.
 
He's the signing I'm most excited about from the summer, and I include Di Maria in that. He's a bit rough around the edges but he's already defensively superb. Hopefully he can get a run of games without being disrupted by injury because that's what he needs now. He's going to brilliant for us. Agree with the sentiment of most that he needs to be playing left back as opposed to wing back.
 
It's his injury record that worries me, he's clearly quite injury prone, unless he can shake that off he'll never be worth it, we need fit players
 
AngeloHenriquez said:
It's his injury record that worries me, he's clearly quite injury prone, unless he can shake that off he'll never be worth it, we need fit players
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He was hardly ever injured before he joined us though right? This is what I find worrying, same with Rojo
 
AngeloHenriquez said:
It's his injury record that worries me, he's clearly quite injury prone, unless he can shake that off he'll never be worth it, we need fit players
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Bit of an overreaction, no? Anyone no matter how strong their body is can roll over on their ankle.

For me he's an excellent signing even at his price, he clearly is gonna achieve great things. With his ability, sky high potential, age and two years PL experience under his belt the price was more than fair.
 
NotoriousISSY said:
Most players who spend their careers playing as a left back with a wide man in front would struggle to adapt to a system where you're the sole wide-man on your side.

Evra always looked good because he had someone to link up with, whether it was Ronaldo, Nani, Giggs or even Ashley bloody Young. Overlapping is such an underrated attacking tool.
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Evra was also originally a winger.
 
IwatUwat said:
My biggest problems with him are in attack, which the modern day full back (And definitely wing back) need to be good at, the fact he nearly always cuts back is too frustrating I find it hard watching him when he gets the ball in a decent position and just cuts back and passes backwards to a CM or CB. Its infuriating.
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Yes, it was frustrating. But Young was doing the same thing all the time too. Too much of a coincidence? Is this an instruction?
 
IwatUwat said:
Whats everyones opinion on him so far.

Obviously he is young. But big price tag and for me has a fair amount of improving to do to live up to that kind of value.

My biggest problems with him are in attack, which the modern day full back (And definitely wing back) need to be good at, the fact he nearly always cuts back is too frustrating I find it hard watching him when he gets the ball in a decent position and just cuts back and passes backwards to a CM or CB. Its infuriating. My other issue is how bad his crossing is. Im not sure he's put in a single ball that has beaten the first man or found his target. Really bad.

Want him to do well though so hopefully it clicks. He was so highly regarded at Saints and by all coaches etc so he must have something, and clearly he's young so a lot of maturing to do. He seems like he has the ability to attack the player and beat a man, Im just not sure why he doesnt do it, the one time I can remember him doing it cutting inside and a long run into the box he looked good. But can only think of one instance of this.
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I'm pleased with him overall so far. Looks like a fairly mature player for his age, and is very solid defensively which is often hard to find in a full-back these days.

His attacking game hasn't been up to much so far, but he's still young and that should improve. And he's definitely not a wing-back, judging from how he's played there.
 
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Yes, it was frustrating. But Young was doing the same thing all the time too. Too much of a coincidence? Is this an instruction?
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Not nearly as much as Shaw... and when Young cut back, more often then not he was putting it on his right and whipping in a dangerous ball.

Shaw on the over hand was cutting back then passing it 5/10 yards backwards/sideways... there was no real penetration from his side. Not his fault really mind you - he's used to have a winger in front of him to play of off.
 
Shaw is only 19, not a wing back (yet anyway) and I'm pretty sure he's never played in a 3-5-2 formation before joining us. At Southampton he was played as a left back in a flat back four with a winger in front of him but lately he's been played as a wing back with no winger in front of him to support him in attack. It's no coincidence his best performances for us have came when he played in a back four. I remember him and Januzaj had some good link up play going earlier on in the season. Yes he has to improve his attacking game but he's very young and all that will come. The fact that he is defensively sound at 19 is a massive positive, I would rather him be better defensively at this stage in his career rather than be a better attacker and crappy defender.
 
ScarleyUtd said:
Yes, it was frustrating. But Young was doing the same thing all the time too. Too much of a coincidence? Is this an instruction?
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Young cuts back to put it on his right foot though to cross right, as he did all the time as a winger, relatively effective at it. Shaw cuts back and hits a 5-10 yard ball backwards.

I agree with all those saying defensively he looks sound, which is true. He did get caught sleeping a bit when Saints had their first chance at the weekend. But then he put in a great block on a Pelle chance I believe. He slots in nicely and is quick to get back positionally which is good. Sure they are working on it in training. G Nev's wasnt the best crosser but then worked on it and became a great attacking full back in the end, one of the best IMO, hopefully Shaw does the same.
 
IwatUwat said:
Young cuts back to put it on his right foot though to cross right, as he did all the time as a winger, relatively effective at it. Shaw cuts back and hits a 5-10 yard ball backwards.

I agree with all those saying defensively he looks sound, which is true. He did get caught sleeping a bit when Saints had their first chance at the weekend. But then he put in a great block on a Pelle chance I believe. He slots in nicely and is quick to get back positionally which is good. Sure they are working on it in training. G Nev's wasnt the best crosser but then worked on it and became a great attacking full back in the end, one of the best IMO, hopefully Shaw does the same.
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I remember Young cutting back and passing it square nearly all the time. Though not so much lately it's true.
 
He's actually quite a similar player to Joel Ward at the moment (albeit half a decade younger). Great defensive, solid build and limited on the ball.

Gibbs probably the best all-round of the young British left backs. Close to Shaw defensively, but much better in attack. Rose and Cresswell great going forward but little else.
 
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luckyspurs said:
He's actually quite a similar player to Joel Ward at the moment (albeit half a decade younger). Great defensive, solid build and limited on the ball.

Gibbs probably the best all-round of the young British left backs. Close to Shaw defensively, but much better in attack. Rose and Cresswell great going forward but little else.
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He isn't limited on the ball, he's good going forward as a left-back, if he has a left winger, or at least a floating Di Maria from the centre supporting him, like almost every full-back, the wing-back role is just too much to ask from a full-back who's admittedly better defensively than going forward.
 
Shaw was quite comfortable on the ball last season, I can remember very good attacking displays vs United and Arsenal, I just think the 352 doesnt suit him, in a back four, he did alright attackingly. Almost our whole squad does better in a back four but who cares?
 
Sammyjunn said:
Shaw was quite comfortable on the ball last season, I can remember very good attacking displays vs United and Arsenal, I just think the 352 doesnt suit him, in a back four, he did alright attackingly. Almost our whole squad does better in a back four but who cares?
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Certainly not Van Gaal.
 
Sammyjunn said:
Why? He was a great lad and all, but in terms of actual performance he became shambles defensively, offensively it was still very good but defensively he became a bit of a liability.
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He was excellent offensively. He would have been great in this system as defensive duties aren't as important.
 
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