He defended well and that's the main thing. Attacking will come but atleast he was solid which is what we need.
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He's great. Just so solid and dependable.
Decent game, he is a bit overweight
Needs to stay fit now with Young out for a while, I know Rojo can play there but he looks better at CB.
I wonder if with all the CB now fit (Rojo close), & midfielders coming back whether we'll go back to a back four, espcially with Valencia, and now Young out.
I wonder if with all the CB now fit (Rojo close), & midfielders coming back whether we'll go back to a back four, espcially with Valencia, and now Young out.
I doubt it with his training regime. I was impressed with how strong he looked today versus Stoke's ogres.
He won more headers against Crouch than Evans managed!
Fantastic player. He will be world class one day in the not too distant future.
A little rusty with his first touch but looked solid defensively in the first half. I agree with whoever said he's not a wingback though, he needs to be able to overlap to be an attacking threat.
I think that's an important addition, with proper instruction he'll do well there you'd have to assume.
I think that Shaw handles himself like a top player, he plays without fear. I feel that he needs to work on his crossing a bit. I would actually like to see him drive and shoot at goal a bit more often too. When he makes those Bale style powerful runs I feel that he is usually looking for a pass rather than going for glory,
I don't think so, a wingback needs a trick as a lot of the time he has to take on the opposite fullback, to me that is not in Shaw, he is a strong defensive FB with the overlapping pace and decent crossing ability to be a great LB, not a wingback.
I think he's class. Love watching him play, we need to start getting the ball to him more though when he gets himself free.
Exactly. So far, he has shown the attributes of a full back rather than a wing back. A wing back is supposed to be quicker and more tricky in their approach. From what I've seen, wing backs are quite good as dribblers, and Shaw doesn't have the quickness and dribbling ability of wing backs. His speed, defensive ability, and crossing is all good for a full back, but I think that, given that he's still a teenager, he has quite a lot of time to develop his attacking game to become a good wing back.
Having said that, I really get annoyed by the lack of support he gets whenever he receives the ball. Mata/Rooney are poor at supporting Shaw, whilst Evans rarely pushes up to help him out and offer him a good back-pass option. This is more of a team problem than that of Shaw.
Yeah. I actually think that we missed Young in that position today. He had been creating a fair few chances for us in recent game on the left.
Shaw is better at beating a man than you're giving him credit for, watching him at all last season would tell you he's got plenty about him going forward. If anything his weakness is his delivery at this stage, which might be a touch inconsistent for what's required of a wingback.
His first touch is quality too, as good as I seen on a full back. I first noticed it in pre-season and he had a couple of Mata-esque pieces of control today.
He's a very solid & reliable defender, but he needs to be more assertive going forward. Too often, he's afraid to take on his defender going forward, and putting in a cross. With the type of pace he has, he can be a lot more effective going forward, even if his actual dribbling and crossing skills are currently limited.
That's a good point about the lack of support he gets, we never seem to have a player offering the wingbacks an option for a give and go, the only player who did properly was Herrera but he hasn't played much since we started using this system week to week in the PL.
I wasn't saying he is bad going forward, just to me he's a classic FB, he has the pace and power to run into the open space behind an opposite fullback on the overlap and to me his delivery is quite good, he rarely just hits it over and tries to pick out a player. I just don't see the dribbling side to him and in truth I really hope we don't need to find out as the sooner we go back to a back 4 the better IMO.
He's terrible on the ball. I don't know what games people watch to be honest. He really needs to work on that a lot because it's just not up to standard.
He gets free into good positions but there's no threat because he'll just play an aimless ball or give it back to the opposition. At United as a fullback or wing back you're going to be expected to know how to attack.
Defensively he was ok today. Doesn't look overweight to me but probably spent most of the game worrying about what the rain was doing to his stupid ubergelled hair.
He gets free into good positions but there's no threat because he'll just play an aimless ball or give it back to the opposition. At United as a fullback or wing back you're going to be expected to know how to attack.
Defensively he was ok today. Doesn't look overweight to me but probably spent most of the game worrying about what the rain was doing to his stupid ubergelled hair.
I thought he played decent today. Gave away a few cheap passes and was quite relucant on going forward but defended really well
Just found out he went off injured 
Jesus Christ. This season...
Jesus Christ. This season...
Just found out he went off injured
Jesus Christ. This season...
No he didn't?
Defenders are in the team to defend - cue some jumped up moron telling me about the modern day football environment - and he does that. He does that very well.
Not a wing back in the slightest, however. Play him left back in a formation that actually benefits the team and we'll see the best of him.
Not a wing back in the slightest, however. Play him left back in a formation that actually benefits the team and we'll see the best of him.
Just found out he went off injured
Jesus Christ. This season...
Young, you mean?
No the sub was planned, he's not ready for 90 minutes.Just found out he went off injured
Jesus Christ. This season...
Not true according to Van GaalJust found out he went off injured
Jesus Christ. This season...
"Luke Shaw's substitution was planned. No problem with him, he's okay. But he needs playing time."
He was my MOTM today. Glad he is back, missed his directness.
He did as well as we could expect after a long layoff. His crossing was ineffective, though.
The stupid hairdo is a valid criticism, but the rest is way off.
Shaw was a bit rusty v Stoke -- fully expected -- but has been very solid for us this season since he was released from Louis's doghouse.
The problem you've identifed, noodle, is actually a function of the absence of a proper midfielder to partner with Carrick. Shaw has been in and out this season like many others but he hasn't had a natural attacking midfielder to work with on his advanced play. He's forced to make solo runs and that's really not his game. He's no Gareth Bale going forward and maybe not even a Patrice Evra. He's useful going forward, but by himself he's not a mortal threat. But give him someone to work eith up front beside Rooney and he'll give us good service.
He's not terrible on the ball. If you'd seen him for Southampton you'd know that. He's just not used to playing as wingback and being the main wide threat as opposed to overlapping and cutting in when you have a wide player to work with who makes space for you. He was class for Southampton at both ends. Of course he doesnt have Evra's level of ability on the ball but few do. The likes of Asspilldavidguetta who are hailed as top fullbacks arent like Evra one on one against defenders either.
I think defensively is very good.
Have to agree with observation on his ability on the ball. It's poor and needs massive improvement.
noodle
I think he's been dodgy defensively and poor going forwards. Yesterday was probably his best defensive performance. In other games he's cost us goals or given away stupid penalties, and each time it's because he hasn't been paying attention or has been caught ball watching. He hasn't really done anything for me to think "yeah, he's good"...though obviously at his age you can't demand that right away and have to expect there'll be limitations and errors.
You make an interesting point with the bit about him having no adequate support and it probably is a big factor when he's on the ball. There were loads of times yesterday that he was left with no pass to play at all unless he beat a defender first, which is an ineffective situation to leave any player in, let alone a defender.
I did watch him at Southampton. Why does everyone on here (a football forum) presume they're the only one who watches football?
I agree he's not used to playing as a lone wide player, but, that's what he is being played as, so it's what he needs to be effective as. When he's been played in a back four for us he's been in the same situation and has also looked suspect defensively.
He needs to improve on the ball significantly. He has time to do it. It looks like a confidence/composure thing as much as anything to me. There's times when he's left with no support or out ball, which is the fault of the system, but then there's other times (including a number yesterday) where he gets into a position to play a ball, and doesn't, or plays it really badly.
I didn't think he was nearly as amazing at Southampton as people on here seem to like to pretend. I was confused at the time what the fuss was about. He looked like a promising young player rather than the messiah. He just seems to be another of these players where it'll take months of obviousness for people to begin to admit any limitations.
Such a good defender and also brilliant on the ball with his first touch and short passing. His crossing and final ball could still be a lot better though
Thought Shaw was cutting back far too much still, this is in line with LVG's possession theory so he may be pleased with him. But as a WB he is also our main wide threat and he gets the ball in good positions and first half especially spent 90% of the time cutting back and passing to Carrick or Evans which allowed Stoke time to get back into position and then easily clear their lines!
This was my thoughts on Shaw earlier in the year, I just want him to use his ability and running power to get into attacking positions, but maybe he isnt confident enough yet after injury to do so. Nice to see him back hoping he shows his full potential here, just needs the confidence to push on in my opinion.
This was my thoughts on Shaw earlier in the year, I just want him to use his ability and running power to get into attacking positions, but maybe he isnt confident enough yet after injury to do so. Nice to see him back hoping he shows his full potential here, just needs the confidence to push on in my opinion.
I don't think he is 'bad on ball.' He is less threatening in attack than say Evra, Shaw's 1 assist only at Southampton suggests that, but he is not 'bad on ball.' Carrying the ball deep into opposition half, control, making quick runs, these abilities he has displayed satisfactorily but his final ball hasn't been up to the mark. I am happy that we have a LB who is good and solid at defense because that is their primary responsibility. Yes if he plays wing back we need more from him in attacking sense, but for that he needs to improve on his final ball/cross etc. On the ball skills are decent to good.
He's a very, very good full-back. All that 'potential' talk is another conversation entirely, largely due to his age as opposed to his flaws. He's very good now.
I believe he's best in a back four though. Tbh, I don't like the back 3 at all anyway. It is essentially a formation for a supposed top-level team that competes with the likes of Ribery, Hazard, Bale with Young and Valencia, or Rafael and Shaw. Our wing-backs have regularly gotten into good positions for actual wingers, and there lack of talent has cost us in that area. We have basically reverted back to a set-up that many of us spoke loudly against which is Young and Valencia as our first-choice wingers.
I don't think it's good enough for us.
I believe he's best in a back four though. Tbh, I don't like the back 3 at all anyway. It is essentially a formation for a supposed top-level team that competes with the likes of Ribery, Hazard, Bale with Young and Valencia, or Rafael and Shaw. Our wing-backs have regularly gotten into good positions for actual wingers, and there lack of talent has cost us in that area. We have basically reverted back to a set-up that many of us spoke loudly against which is Young and Valencia as our first-choice wingers.
I don't think it's good enough for us.
Can't believe someone thinks he's dodgy defensively and poor going forwards. You'd swear be bought a dud going by that. Yet I actually rate the lad. Had a slow start with us, but been getting better and better - then got injured.
Was actually very good vs Stoke.
Was actually very good vs Stoke.
I'm not having the "bad on the ball" criticism of Shaw. We're judging him against the extremely high standard set by Evra, which may be fair, but I'd like to see how Evra played at the age of 19. Give Shaw a solid 6 game run and I have no doubt he'll exceed his outstanding form of last season and these questions about his attacking will evaporate.
Like everyone else on the squad, Shaw can definitely improve his game, but what I don't necessarily want to see is Shaw just bombing forward and whipping in crosses regardless of whether anyone is there to receive the cross. We did way too much of that last season and even though we have Falcao now I just don't see RvP, Rooney and Falcao as the kind of strikers who are more effective heading the ball off a cross than receiving a final ball through the channels at the feet. We have to do both, but definitely not one to the exclusion of the other.
Like everyone else on the squad, Shaw can definitely improve his game, but what I don't necessarily want to see is Shaw just bombing forward and whipping in crosses regardless of whether anyone is there to receive the cross. We did way too much of that last season and even though we have Falcao now I just don't see RvP, Rooney and Falcao as the kind of strikers who are more effective heading the ball off a cross than receiving a final ball through the channels at the feet. We have to do both, but definitely not one to the exclusion of the other.
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