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Dante said:
He's not my favourite.

Once again, your problem is looking at the world like it's full of fanboys and haters. Your post implies you used to love him and now you've given up on him.

My posts about Lukaku defend his good intentions, whilst simultaneously criticising him for adding mass. That's the middle ground. I don't go to the extremes you do.

I'm not fussed about Lukaku leaving in the slightest.
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You like to change your tune. that's about it. Your basic understanding of football is another issue.

It's not that long ago that you praised Lukaku's attitude and used it to bash other players for wanting to give up. It's easy to talk about attitude when you're in an untouchable position, being the ultimate first choice of the manager no matter how poorly you play. Lukakus talk was cheap, as soon as his position in the team was challenged he was seeking a move to Italy.

It's fecking bizarre that some had to wait 4+ months for an interview with Lukaku until they started noticing that the fecker had bulked up, christ.
 
Dante said:
The World Cup is a short tournament compared to the PL season, and Martinez plays a different style to Mourinho.

I think he did go on a weight loss diet, and that's why he was only 'fit' to play in short bursts at the end of matches. He didn't have the energy to run around for 90 minutes on top of having to carry extra mass.

It was a mistake for him to build mass. But he's a professional and a lifelong athlete. I don't buy the idea that he did it willy-nilly or out of laziness. It was just bad decision making.
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Indeed. And United / Jose must have approved. Otherwise he'd have been mysteriously "injured" at the start of the season, hidden away from view and forced to lose it. Presumably it was part of Jose's bizarre and obviously doomed plan to turn him into a target man.
 
UncleBob said:
You like to change your tune. that's about it. Your basic understanding of football is another issue.

It's not that long ago that you praised Lukaku's attitude and used it to bash other players for wanting to give up. It's easy to talk about attitude when you're in an untouchable position, being the ultimate first choice of the manager no matter how poorly you play. Lukakus talk was cheap, as soon as his position in the team was challenged he was seeking a move to Italy.

It's fecking bizarre that some had to wait 4+ months for an interview with Lukaku until they started noticing that the fecker had bulked up, christ.
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He does good things and he does bad things. Big whoop.

I'm not a fanboy or hater, therefore I'm able to look at both sides of the story without assuming the conclusion. When I do, some of my posts will be complimentary whilst others won't.

His attitude is good. His performances haven't been. I've not included him in my ideal first XI for ages, so I don't rate him super high. But I'll defend him against people calling him 'fat' because that's simply not true. That doesn't mean I rate him super low, either.

You're getting confused by me being fair and even-handed. You shouldn't be so proud of only being able to see the world in black-and-white.
 
Revaulx said:
Indeed. And United / Jose must have approved. Otherwise he'd have been mysteriously "injured" at the start of the season, hidden away from view and forced to lose it. Presumably it was part of Jose's bizarre and obviously doomed plan to turn him into a target man.
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I’m a sceptic by nature - but I wouldn’t believe half of what players and managers say. Looks to me like an attempt for Lukuku to put a positive spin on it. There was no need to put on weight, and certaintly no footballing reason.

Quite frankly Jose didn’t care last season, and perhaps Lukuku’s pathetic (self induced) fitness was one of the issues Jose had - he clearly had little control over the players.
 
Dante said:
He does good things and he does bad things. Big whoop.

I'm not a fanboy or hater, therefore I'm able to look at both sides of the story without assuming the conclusion. When I do, some of my posts will be complimentary whilst others won't.

His attitude is good. His performances haven't been. I've not included him in my ideal first XI for ages, so I don't rate him super high. But I'll defend him against people calling him 'fat' because that's simply not true. That doesn't mean I rate him super low, either.

You're getting confused by me being fair and even-handed. You shouldn't be so proud of only being able to see the world in black-and-white.
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Mint.

I have no idea why you're being so literal when it comes to the word fat. Everyone knows that part of the issue is that he's bulked up to the point where it's having a negative effect on his abilities as a footballer, it has a negative effect on his stamina and agility, which then again has a negative effect on his overall technique. He's completely out of shape for a professional footballer at this level, to the point where it's resulted in him struggling to control the ball, but it has nothing to do with pretending that he's walking around with a beer belly.

I have no idea why people think his attitude is all that. He did an earlier interview where he shrugged off any notion that there was anything wrong with his physique, a few more weeks of him being piss poor and there's suddenly an in-depth interview on how he gained too much muscle ahead of the World Cup and how it's had a negative effect on him afterwords. His mentality and attitude isn't all that mint, but it's easy to talk about having a strong as feck, run through brick walls mentality when you're the ultimate first choice while the rest of the players are scrapping for time on the pitch. As soon as the shoe is on the other foot he's sodding off somewhere else.
 
ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg said:
I’m a sceptic by nature - but I wouldn’t believe half of what players and managers say. Looks to me like an attempt for Lukuku to put a positive spin on it. There was no need to put on weight, and certaintly no footballing reason.

Quite frankly Jose didn’t care last season, and perhaps Lukuku’s pathetic (self induced) fitness was one of the issues Jose had - he clearly had little control over the players.
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Yup. The notion that he was tired after a long season and gained more muscles to compensate is about as daft as it gets. Oh I'm struggling with fatigue, so I'll go ahead and make matters worse by adding weight, christ :lol:

There's no logic to it. He was more than enough beefed up as it was, there's nothing special about the World Cup that means players have to bulk up.
 
UncleBob said:
Yup. The notion that he was tired after a long season and gained more muscles to compensate is about as daft as it gets. Oh I'm struggling with fatigue, so I'll go ahead and make matters worse by adding weight, christ :lol:

There's no logic to it. He was more than enough beefed up as it was, there's nothing special about the World Cup that means players have to bulk up.
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Oh I quite agree. The fact that Jose / the fitness staff didn't put him on a diet on his return, or sack him for breach of contract, or just drop him and claim he was injured to save embarrassment, is what I find strange; almost as if they were happy with it.
 
Revaulx said:
Oh I quite agree. The fact that Jose / the fitness staff didn't put him on a diet on his return, or sack him for breach of contract, or just drop him and claim he was injured to save embarrassment, is what I find strange; almost as if they were happy with it.
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Jose had given up. He was just working towards his pay off by last summer.
 
Revaulx said:
Yeah that's quite likely. It doesn't say much for the way the footballing side of the club is run if sorting out even players' basic weight control is left to the manager.
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But training plans and playing staff fitness is the responsiblity of all managers/head coaches, it's part of the very purpose of their job.
 
Very good goal scorer. But he was never the type of player United fans were going to let into their hearts. It’s a bad mix. He’d do brilliantly elsewhere.
 
A proper goalscorer when he wants to be - but unfortunately needs it on a plate for him. Not a player to win games on his own if the team needs him.

Misses big opportunities too. I still remember that Brighton/Huddersfield game a season or two ago where he bottled chances that a player of his calibre should be scoring.

A very wise decision to move him on.
 
I think Lukaku will do well at Juve,depending on his attitude.

They'll use him just as effectively as Belgium do. With us,due to our rounded lack of ability,we probably expected more from his game. Maybe turning him into a type of forward he wasn't,which was strongly argued in his first season with us.
If Juve feed him (HAHA!) with the supply of quality they've got,lets be honest they've a slightly higher ceiling of ability than the majority of our players bar Pogba, then you would expect Lukaku to do well. He doesn't necessarily need to be important in their build-up play. He just needs to be their forward point and come alive once the ball comes into the box.

Granted his touch was poor,more so in the season gone by, and his lack of physical dominance were factors in him having a really poor individual campaign with us.
He gained a fair amount of unwarranted body mass,though you'd also have to question United's health and fitness staff in telling him vehemently to hold back on the Carbonara dishes.

His mentality was also concerning for the majority of the campaign. Coming out with various comments suggesting the players needed to 'man up' when he himself was consistently putting in just as bad a performance as his so-called questionable teammates. Basically he wasn't practising what he was preaching,which may have caused some division within the squad (Lingard celebration vs Arsenal in the Fa Cup springs to mind).

Finally,playing alongside Buffon,Bonucci and especially Ronaldo will, for Lukaku's sake,hopefully get the best out of him both playing wise and mentality. Those 3 wont suffer fools gladly. If Lukaku isn't putting in the required team effort then he's slap bang onto a loser. He cant be seen moping around ,with a negative attitude to boot, alongside these guys.
They just wont accept it.Juve wont accept it. And if he does show such a attitude then he'll be looking for another club come next season.
 
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Lukaku will probably be good for them and could help lift the CL even if he does stumble a few times. He scored 27 for us when he first came here, got 26 and 25 in his previous seasons for Everton and is Belgium's top striker.

Using last season is not good when we had a manager trying to prove a point to the board, we went from conceding 28 all season in 2018 and 29 in 2017 to conceding 29 by Dec 17 2019. The whole team was in disarray.
 
Hernandez - BFA said:
A proper goalscorer when he wants to be - but unfortunately needs it on a plate for him. Not a player to win games on his own if the team needs him.

Misses big opportunities too. I still remember that Brighton/Huddersfield game a season or two ago where he bottled chances that a player of his calibre should be scoring.

A very wise decision to move him on.
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For someone who isnt really good at anything besides scoring goals he misses big chances quite often.

Just sign him Juventus, please... i dont want to endure watching him trying to control a football ever again.
 


Poor guy is immensely bitter about the criticism he has gotten at United. He’s actually considering Basketball now. I don’t blame him, he’s always looked out of place as a footballer with his ball control
 
The most recent tweet is even worse. He is a goner, can't see a way back for him now, better hope Dybala reaches an agreement.
 
He's truly gone off the boil now, it's actually sad to see. While I never thought he fit well with our style of play, I never disliked the guy personally and wish him success in his life and his career. He's really smearing his image by posting these passive-aggressive responses to criticism on social media.
 
Shane88 said:
Acceleration is more important anyway.

He's like a steam train. He's fast but it takes him a while to get going.
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Yup.

Pretty funny that the master of attitude, warrior of the universe, gets so riled up about this
 
He is getting hammered on twitter. Shame that its come to this, was over the moon when he signed for us. Current crop of players are just not what they used to be in terms of proffesionalism, mind you he has taken a bit of stick.
 
100 said:
Hopefully he's travelling at about 500mph tomorrow
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:lol:

For somebody who's apparently never bothered by the haters and shit he constantly seems to be butthurt and plays some kind of a victim. I guess it's no coincidence he's friends with Depay.
 
If he doesn’t get his moved he’s ruining any relationship he can have with the squad.
 
That's a very unprofessional thing to do, criticism must be fully in his head.
 
Was his pace ever in question? It's how long he can sustain it that is the issue.

I remember that game he had against Chelsea (?) last season, he ran around like a madman for 10 minutes, and was virtually unplayable, then he was out for the count for the rest of the game, it's what kids do.
 
On a counter attack he would look fast because he needs a period of time to get up to full speed. I imagine he is fast in the 100 metres. But when you are facing a team with ten men behind the ball, acceleration is more important. Messi and Aguero have better acceleration than him. But probably not a better top speed over the 100 metres. It takes Usain Bolt for instance 30 metres to reach top speed.
 
He's a prick. But who actually criticised his speed? It's one thing he has going for him.

His acceleration on the other hand is non existent.
 
Have I missed something? Why is he crying about his pace?
 
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