Actually that reminds me are the folk at RAWK able to talk about Suarez leaving yet?
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Actually that reminds me are the folk at RAWK able to talk about Suarez leaving yet?
I'm very saddened but obviously it's made public the true value of the release clause. If, like Bale, there was no clause you can imagine he would have been ridiculously expensive even at 27. Hey ho, English clubs continue to be stepping stones for the big two in Spain.
It's also quite amusing too how many didn't want Van Gaal and were happy for him to go to Spurs and are now proclaiming what a world class manager he is now he's joined them.
How can they trigger the release clause?
Was it not quite obvious to everybody that the only reason Suarez signed a new deal last season was to include a concrete release clause in his contract?
I'm just glad he's no longer in the English game.
You´re not getting Markovic. He´s at Benfica in a Ramires type of deal. Chelsea will get him when they want it.
I would imagine they are near suicidal after the way they spun the last biting incident.
Hopefully they will spend the Suarez money on a handful of inferior players like Spurs did with the Bale cash. With Can and Lallana, so far so good!
Who did that?
The test starts now for Brendan Rodgers.
Soo...
You got a bid rejected for Lovren on £20m, let's say he is going for £25m.
Origi is rated at around £10m? Papers say so, so lets go by that for now.
Markovic is extremely highly rated, and joined benfica for £8m according to transfermarkt, i'd say you have to at least give them £15m
Moreno doesn't want to join you, from the reports i've heard. Bertrand could be cheap-ish, i'd say £5m to round it off as well.
Going by the £70m price that the highest sensible papers quote as a fee that'd leave you with £15m to replace Suarez.
You've already spent £10m on Can, £5m on Lambert and £27m on Lallana, so you can't really say that there are shitloads of money left to get from the yearly transfer pack.
Isn't there also rumors about Liverpool using so much on transfers that they will struggle to keep up with FFP? (Given that you can stay in the champions league for that duration), overspending could be a bad way to go at it.
Now it looks like i'm out to be all doom and gloom, but my point is that you most likely would have to drop one or two of your supposed targets in order to get a better Suarez replacement, which is completely fine as you'll still get some additions to the squad numbers.
The only thing to do when selling a player like Bale, Suarez (or Ronaldo) is to buy a handful of inferior players and hope that within 2-3 seasons, the majority of those players have come good and are contributing at a good level to the squad and are reshaping it in such a way that the style of play is no longer as dependent on that player.
Spurs can't attract a player of Bale's current ability, due to prestige and wages offered, Liverpool can't attract a player of Suarez's current ability and Man Utd couldn't attract a player of Ronaldo's ability (though in large part because there was only one other such player).
Spurs can't attract a player of Bale's current ability, due to prestige and wages offered, Liverpool can't attract a player of Suarez's current ability and Man Utd couldn't attract a player of Ronaldo's ability (though in large part because there was only one other such player).
Press Association have said the bid was "much less" than the reported £20m.
If I were to completely guess at prices I would guess Lovren goes for £20m, Origi for around £7m, Markovic for £25m and Moreno would go for close to £20m. The issue with Moreno isn't that he doesn't want to join, it's that we can't agree terms with Sevilla. I would also expect one more big attacking player to join.
We won't have to drop anyone. As others have said, we were apparently going to be spending in the region of £60m on top of sales, that won't change. We still have other players to sell.
I can't see a thread on him there, it's absolutely pathetic.
What the feck is wrong with Liverpool fans?
When you have 70/80 million burning a hole in your pocket Liverpool will find clubs a little more difficult to deal with
A successful summer would be Louvren, Moreno, Lallana, Shaquiri, Can, a wide player (Cuadardo?) A striker (Lukaku?)
A successful summer would be Louvren, Moreno, Lallana, Shaquiri, Can, a wide player (Cuadardo?) A striker (Lukaku?)
I can't see a thread on him there, it's absolutely pathetic.
What the feck is wrong with Liverpool fans?
Hello. Is this the Suarez thread?
I can't see a thread on him there, it's absolutely pathetic.
What the feck is wrong with Liverpool fans?
There's one in their transfer forum.
They've just rejected £18 million...
I'm curious how a Neymar, Suarez, Messi front 3 might work at Barca next season; Messi shifted to the right? At any rate, in terms of attacking units, Rakitic, Iniesta, Neymar, Messi, Suarez vs Modric, Kroos, Bale, Ronaldo, Benzema, should make for some decent El Clasico games.
Out of interest, are any United fans allowed to post on RAWK?
I am not having a dig, btw, I think it is good to have rival fans on here to give some balance.
Origi for 7 million - especially in a World Cup year are you not being very optimistic there
Wouldn't want to be a Southampton fan right not - being stripped of their assets when they could have been moved forward
You can choose to believe the sources you want, it still seeems like you have little money left if you are going for all targets.
I don't believe for a second that you will spend £60m outside of the £60-£80m you get for Suarez, and if you do, it'd be stupid considering FFP.
You are already behind there from what i can gather.
Actually, I think the smart play would be Ashley Cole. Comparatively cheap, even factoring in wages and would shore up the left for a year or two
I also think we need an immediate and experienced fix more than a longterm solution there right now.
I also think we need an immediate and experienced fix more than a longterm solution there right now.
He's got a release clause apparently and one we're willing to meet.
I'd love Cole, but I don't see us going for him.
Spurs have shown that there is risk involved, but I don't think it neccesarily follows it has to go that way.
No, that's why I said "hopefully"
I've never been to that site. Nor do I think it reflects us fans.
Not far away from a contradiction there.
Markovic had a 15 million release clause for Chelsea but i don´t know if they waived it because of the Matic deal. Even so the general opinion here is that Chelsea have him tied up and will get him sooner or later like Ramires.
I've seen one or two United fans posting in the United thread over there. No idea if they are restricted just to that thread, or a certain part of the forum though. They actually seem to have some vaguely sensible discussions with the RAWKites from what I've seen.
Liverpool sources deny 75M deal on Suarez. Transfer won't be concluded until next week at earliest. They still try to persuade Alexis. [pa]
Receiving £70 million for Suarez can go one of two ways.
I can't help but feel a little worried, as I did when Spurs sold Bale for that huge fee.
But hopefully any top players they want are wanted elsewhere and they spend the money in a similar way to Spurs - even though at the time people were convinced they'd spent it well.
I can't help but feel a little worried, as I did when Spurs sold Bale for that huge fee.
But hopefully any top players they want are wanted elsewhere and they spend the money in a similar way to Spurs - even though at the time people were convinced they'd spent it well.
I don't think they're getting 80m, I think Suarez will be closer to 60m. Hypothetically if they had a 50m budget previously then they'll have 110m to spend. I doubt they will spent that much though.
Those players - Lovren, Lallana, Lambert, Can and Moreno - were 80m already and someone like Markovic/Shaqiri has been quoted at 20m and Origi at 10m. If they signed the latter and one of the former, then that would be their 110m.
But it doesn't even work like that because you have to budget for signing on fees and a far higher wage bill, it isn't the case that what you have to spent equals the amount available to pay clubs in transfers fees. That's only a portion of the cost.
There are United fans on there, not sure how many. One has a user name that starts Cantona.
I don't understand what is wrong with having rival fans post, doesn't that add to the discussion & debate?
There is no figure on Suarez yet and it could be ar least £70m, fact is we will probably never know.
You also have to factor sales into it, which could add to the kitty we supposedly had of around £60m, plus Suarez.
Who knows how it will all work out at the end of the window, but the fact is we likely to spend a lot over the course of the transfer period.
I didn't say there was anything wrong. Did you read my post?
thats a good idea, his Champions League Experience would be invaluable and even though going off what i've read on here alot of people seem to be saying you'll be out early I actually think you'll do pretty well, if you get someone like Cole in you could make Quarter Finals. But my one worry would be lack of experience at the back in the Big games
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