So what would be a fair price for Nani?
Luis Nani | 2013/14 Performances
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He will stay. I have a feeling he will be a important player for us the last part of the season.
be delighted to get 15 million
too many players out wide who think its acceptable to play well one game and then be anonymous for 4/5 and don't even get me started about our crossing from wide these days
the fact that an 18 year old is comfortably our most imaginative winger speaks volumes
fair play to Ashley Young for trying hard at the minute but we really could do with shipping one of Young or Nani out
Isn't it a bit boring when after six years of obvious underachievement people still react like a Harry Styles fan on twitter when someone mentions they dislike his hat?
I mean really. He is the one player at the club who it is fecking impossible to have a sensible discussion about because of the number of sheer hysterical girls blouses that regularly haunt this thread.
The difference between what every-day United fans think of Nani and the group of about 5-10 posters in this thread who act like his PR man whenever anyone pipes up a word of what is to be honest quite obvious and widely shared criticism, is stark.
He's a very good player who for one reason or anyone has never fulfilled his potential and some fans accept that and express themselves in that way. But those who act like his hired goons just immediately come in with "feck off cnut, he's brilliant" and all their friends agree so there's almost no point discussing him anymore.
If he stays he stays, if he goes he goes but discussion about him, at least here, is dead unless you have the same opinion as the minders.
Moyes spent a best part of summer convincing Nani to sign a new contract, no chance he'll be shipped out anytime soon. Bigger question is when he'll regain his form and show us what we know he can do. He's reaching the peak of his career, so he'd better get back into groove soon.
It's the 'fanboi' thing. I can see both sides of the argument, but when someone throws that in I just want to punch them in the mouth.
Valencia + £15 million
You're talking about sensible discussions after contributing this?
I have forgotten he was still a Man Utd player, he's among those players, if they leave next summer, it'll do nothing (happiness or sadness) to me.
So we sell Nani to ourselves?
We bought Nani for 13.5mil and Valencia for 16mil, right? One is a regular first team player and other is not. How on earth did you come up with that valuation?
I was just making the point that had Rooney's wife parted the vagina for life the discussion may have been more along the lines of "Are you sure you can't make Saturday Wayne, is the baby that close? If you can't see the head yet, I googled it means it won't emerge until a few hours after the West Ham match"
I'd understand players getting time off for the birth but he seemed to be getting time off to spend time with the wife and baby after the birth. Unless there was a specific medical reason for that, which we cannot discount, it does seem quite generous given the situation that we were in in terms of injuries and being in need of good results. I don't think it's unreasonable discussion to suggest that Nani was maybe given permission to spend an extra few days at home because it was judged he wasn't likely to be in much need or call anyway.
For example Rooney's baby (according to wiki) was born 2 November and he was on the bench the next day for the CSKA game. He wasn't told "you know what, take a few games off"
But of course anything that suggests Nani isn't both a vital cog in the wheel and a fecking amazing player, one of the best in the world and surely going to show us what he's got (this time) when he comes back from injury - it's completely dismissed by the Nani Mafia I mentioned earlier where this thread is the only place in the entire world, probably including the Nani household shitter, where thoughts let alone discussion about how valuable Nani actually is are regulated tighter than Hacked-Off's idea of a new press complaints commission.
We bought Nani for 13.5mil and Valencia for 16mil, right? One is a regular first team player and other is not. How on earth did you come up with that valuation?
It's Ekeke.
As for Nani, I hope he doesn't leave. Not many better wingers with a reasonable price tag to choose from. Even if we do get a star player in his position, he would be as good a cover as you can find anywhere.
No Plugsy, nobody thinks that, we just think you're an idiot for your earlier post.
I reckon we should get a top class youngish right winger. Then play him and Januzaj on the wings with Valencia and Nani providing cover. Can you ask for more?
How long is Nani out for?
I'm up there with the worst of them for highly rating Nani, based on previous season's form, but is it getting a bit to the stage of say a Torres, where the reality doesn't match the past?
He's had a really patchy last 2 years now. Always niggly injuries, form up and down, with the up moments rarer and rarer.
Just don't know.
He's had a really patchy last 2 years now. Always niggly injuries, form up and down, with the up moments rarer and rarer.
Just don't know.
I have zero will to discuss with the likes of you and mungy about Nani, because you proved so many times that you stay daft whenever someone presents any argument about Nani for you, you just ignore it, and that's because it's obvious you hate the player, so there is really no point in discussing in this thread with you. Most of Nani fanbois here presented their arguments one million times here, but at the same time his haters like you will just quote those posters and say that they are wrong, and that Nani is shit and incosistent, without even bothering to read anything they wrote, and try to prove them wrong by presenting decent arguments except "he is incosistent". You proved that first time when you said that he was never good player for us.
So Plugsy, please don't quote me on this thread anymore.
/rant over
Couple more weeks. Physioroom has him back for January 11th.
@Sandikan. I agree with your post. Last time Nani was anything close to his best was the start of 11/12. He really needs a good second half of the season.
He hasn't been given enough of a chance to call him not good enough or past it. His form has been patchy but then again he's only played in patches for the last year or so. Saying that, I'm with Plugsy as far as his 'difficult to have a reasonable discussion with Nani fanboys' line goes. Is it so difficult to reach the middle ground with him?
The fact that he's not been given many chances does not really do him any favours does it. That simply means that Moyes and then Fergie last season, for one reason or another, do not fancy him. It's two years since he produced consistently and was considered a first choice player by whoever the manager was at United. If he continues in this vein, it would be 2 and a half by the end of the season. He's getting to a point now where if he does not start delivering we might be better looking for an alternative.
Valencia's in the same position for me. He's going on 18 months of under-performing and not really delivering what I would expect from a first team United winger. The difference between him and Nani is he has been given more opportunities over the last season and half to reach his old standards and he's still not looking the same player.
I want both to come good but I do think their two players who have to fall under the "under-performing" label going on what they are capable of.
The thing is, I don't think managers trust him. He blows hot and cold. He's had his chances but hasn't gotten any sort of consistency into his game. You might argue that he hasn't been played week in week out, but when he has been given a game he hasn't showed why he should start the next. One of the biggest problems is that when he's bad, he's usually very frustrating.
That's what I've been saying on here (hence the tagline I think) so I'm with you on that. However, we can't say he's not good enough if we ourselves haven't seen him much. Like you, I also think both are good players who haven't performed in the manner they can. As I said, get a top right winger, play him with Januzaj on the wings with Nani and Valencia providing cover and competition for places. Valencia can always get a few games at rb as well, especially when chasing the game and I hope Nani could still have an impact coming off the bench even if he doesn't start.
We bought Nani for 13.5mil and Valencia for 16mil, right? One is a regular first team player and other is not. How on earth did you come up with that valuation?
One is a good player with consistancy issues. The other is Antonio Valencia
We bought Nani as a kid, Valencia as the finished product. The money we paid is irrelevant as it was so long ago. The fact is Nani is a miles better player and Valencia is knackered
Fact?! There are genuine reasons as to why Valencia will generally start more games than him during a season. Nani is better technically but Valencia is surely better mentally? Nani could be one of the best wingers in the world, but he's not. We can make up all the excuses we want for him but ultimately it's his fault. Nani is not a miles better player at all lets be honest... could be, but he's not.Nani lovers' arguments for him playing regularly and being an important part of the team:
1. He sustained an incredibly high standard of play for a prolonged period when given a run in the team
2. He is highly productive with goals and assists
3. He has an abundance of skill - shooting, crossing, pace, dribbling, ability to pull of something special and any given time
4. He is one of our few players that can operate well while being pressed and can work out of tight positions
Nani haters' arguments:
1. He's been poor for too long
2. Despite his immense talent, he makes poor decisions too much in games
3. Still a bit of a diver
4. Still looks ridiculously like Michael Jackson in the 80's.
I'm a Nani lover. He should be given a nice run of games when he returns because he is too good of a player not to. Also, compared to our other wingers, he simply is much, much better then them all except maybe Januzaj.
1. He sustained an incredibly high standard of play for a prolonged period when given a run in the team
2. He is highly productive with goals and assists
3. He has an abundance of skill - shooting, crossing, pace, dribbling, ability to pull of something special and any given time
4. He is one of our few players that can operate well while being pressed and can work out of tight positions
Nani haters' arguments:
1. He's been poor for too long
2. Despite his immense talent, he makes poor decisions too much in games
3. Still a bit of a diver
4. Still looks ridiculously like Michael Jackson in the 80's.
I'm a Nani lover. He should be given a nice run of games when he returns because he is too good of a player not to. Also, compared to our other wingers, he simply is much, much better then them all except maybe Januzaj.
I think that's the difference. Some believe he will still be one of the best wingers in the world (or is) and others believe he could have been but isn't and probably won't be.
If he had 3-4 good, solid, top level seasons behind him then maybe a case can be made. But he's never really had that. He may have had 12-18 months when he was in top form but if people are honest the injuries hardly struck down a vital first 11 player in the pomp of his career. He was already competing for position with the likes of Young, Valencia and even Park way back when for the big games on the left-side of midfield. A player of his age and experience really shouldn't still be spoken of in terms of "he'll come good if..." but he is on a regular basis.
I get why Nani has his fans. He's one of those players certain fans like; always a trick up his sleeve, capable of doing something special. But really some people need to admit it's probably time to give up the ghost, unless your expectations of him are of a rotation player who' might play every other week depending on squad selection. But it's not. People still refer to him as being "miles better" than other players and "one of the best" around and all the rest of it. It isn't even worth taking seriously any more.
There's the career that we all wished Nani had.
Then there's the career that Nani has actually had.
Then there's those who cannot let the fact go that Nani hasn't had the career that we all wished he had so instead they just pretend that he had it anyway. Which is why so many people refer to him in terms that are completely alien to reality.
we should probably wait for Nani to actually start 3 games in a row this season before we wheel out the usual comparisons to Valencia!
I think most fans are aware of Nani's limitations (granted, some don't), but some were frustrated by his lack of chances compared to Valencia, who's form up until recently was crap. At least we have Januzaj for one wing berth now, so the problem has been softened somewhat. Nani needs to find his old form soon if he has any chance of becoming a regular here again, because he won't be competing with an out of form Valencia forever. My guess is he'll be sold next summer, and he'll probably kick start his career somewhere with less pressure on him. He just doesn't have the mental strength to make it here imo.
I'd love him to make a big turnaround and find his old form, but I really doubt it will happen. It's funny because after a few years of inconsistency it really felt like he had made it, but since that challenge from Carragher things have gone to shit.
I'd love him to make a big turnaround and find his old form, but I really doubt it will happen. It's funny because after a few years of inconsistency it really felt like he had made it, but since that challenge from Carragher things have gone to shit.
Where does Nani even play for United under Moyes? The Right or Left wing?
Because Moyes prefers him. Doesnt stop you using your eyes to see that Valencia is poor. And talking about mentality? Valencia's has to be the weakest in the squad. Voted best player of the season by your peers? Time to lose all confidence, stop doing what won you the award and achieve nothing with the ball on the pitch. Somehow winning an award shattered all his confidence and belief in what won it. Talk about fragile.
Gosh, I hate both the Nani and Valencia fanboys, you both just end up chasing each others tails like a dumb dog. Lets be honest, both of those players SHOULD be playing better and starting together, but they haven't been.
Why would they start together? Both have been at their best on the right wing and Januzaj has looked better on the left than any of our wingers.
Not sure I agree with that myth. I think Nani has been just as impressive from the left as he has from the right.
What concerns me about Nani is that he doesn't look as quick or agile as he once did, which will certainly impair his play.
Well its not a myth, for 18 months Nani was on form and it came from playing on the right keeping Valencia out of the team. The one game hes played as well on the left was against Bayern in the champions league, where he also played a lone striker role.
Nani has already started 4 league games in a row this season. West Brom at home, Sunderland away, Southampton and Stoke at home. Not the toughest set of fixtures, yet Nani has zero goals and zero assists. Valencia is not the benchmark which Nani should be judged by.
He's also played brilliantly against Arsenal on the left. Also, when he plays, he normally interchanges positions, so he can play left and right throughout the match. Subsequently, I would love to see him play with Januzaj and Kagawa more as I think that trio would be very fluid.
He played against Arsenal on the right
I think he's talking about our first fixture with them in 09/10 at home.
To be fair, Valencia did dislocate his ankle in that time period.
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