That is his fault. He had a chance to join us when we were desperate for a player like him. He choose PSG's money.
Lucas Moura.
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That is his fault. He had a chance to join us when we were desperate for a player like him. He choose PSG's money.
TBF anyone would have taken that kind of crazy money, especially a teenager from Brazil.
Psg flat out payed his release clause and gave him a fat salary to boot....which ironically is what we are going to have to do to start attracting world class talent here again.
Would instantly add pace, dribbling and skill to our attack that we require. He's a strong little guy aswell so he wouldn't be bullied out of the league IMO.
Yep him and Mane would boost both the team and the squad. Would instantly add excitement to out our team.
I really hope we can get him, for £22m it would be a no brainer. The worry is we would try to convert him into a system player which would not work and we'd be left with unhappy restricted player.
He's basically another Martial (probably minus the finishing). We need more Martial's. If we can get this done it would be great but not sure in the truth of it.
Ronaldinho moved from Brazil to PSG then to Barca after interest from Man Utd.
Moura Moved from Brazil to PSG and then...
Ronaldinho moved from Brazil to PSG then to Barca after interest from Man Utd.
Moura Moved from Brazil to PSG and then...
No excuse. As a young player, the focus should be football and once he make a name for himself then go for the money.
He also had Maxwell, Thiago Silva and Thiago Motta. I like Moura because he seems to be a nice person and he has been honest, he said that the money was too much to refuse particularly when he could also join lots of brazilians.
Edit: Also when he signs Ancelotti is the manager, people criticize his choice but it wasn't a bad one.
It was a bad one. At that time the right wing was open and he could have made it his own under SAF. It makes so much sense it's ridiculous.
It was the Brazilian manager (can't remember the name), who turned his head right?
Didn't Leonardo convince him to go there?
Agreed pal.
But tell me, how is that in the slightest bit ironic?
Ironic would be us lashing out tonnes on all these players, then finding it's some cheap option who becomes the star player, ie the opposite.
Leonardo called him and Rai too, iirc.
SAF himself confirmed that the contract was in Lucas's hands and he was expected to sign but Leonardo called and talked him out of it. I don't blame Lucas at all, he went to a place for way more money and more brazilians to feel at home with.
It was a bad career move for him, SAF saw him as the the future of our RW and who knows where Lucas would have been now under that sort of tutelage.
Maybe for a United fan, but for a Brazilian who saw Leonardo, Rai or Ronaldinho succeed in Europe with PSG, while not one Brazilian player did in England, when he has teammates already at PSG, it makes more sense to join them.
Edit: Also PSG allowed him to end the season with his club which was also important for both him and his club.
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I feel it is ironic because we always made fun of psg for paying big money for players but they kept at it and as it stands today, their team is better than ours and they can attract world class talent no problem.
The irony is we can use a few of their players and they seem to have no problem getting their targets. It's like the roles have been reversed.
Not sure about this. Granted that year would have been brilliant for him but lets not forget he only would have had 1 year and then SAF would retire. He would probably develop better but then be stuck with Moyes and even LVG's not very attacking style of play.
Can't believe people have it against him that he signed for PSG. We didn't agree the deal with his former club (was it Sao Paulo?) so he did not really have to make a decision, he went to the club that met his clause. It's not like PSG are a shite club either.
No thanks. He already rejected us once, so why would we go for him, especially when he's been disappointing for PSG and is not even a starter for them? Buying stagnated PSG rejects is not really the way forward for a club like United.
We bought a reject from Madrid and Chelsea, what's the issue? Psg currently have better attacking options than we do, we can't afford to be too proud of fussy.
Barring the GK position, psg has better players than us almost all over the pitch. Let's be real.
Because bale rejected us about 3 times now, even though we offered more money than Madrid, does that mean we should forget about him as well?
For the right price, id take Lucas in a heartbeat.
Surely you can see the difference between 2 times player of the year, best player in CL final and top assister in Europe and a player that has done feck all and has stagnated in his progress since he moved to Europe.
The worst he can be is a souped up Valencia from 09/10.
At present I can see Mata doing nothing in our attack and di Maria playing rubbish all year. He would come in and give us a better option on the wing that we have, what's to judge?
PSG having better players than us means feck all in this case. Moura has been disappointing and is not even starting in the French league. He might improve us as Mata is useless on the right, but we should be aiming much higher. You know, for players that are actually starters for their teams and are performing much better.
You also can't really compare Bale with Moura. It's a bit daft. One is a world-class player that is a starter for Real Madrid and would take us to another level and the other is an underpforming player that needs to join a lesser club to reignite his stagnating career. If Manchester United decide to sign a PSG bench warmer as an answer for their offensive crisis, it certainly won't look good and I think it won't end well either.
@Adam-Utd Di Maria was hardly a Madrid reject, was he? He was one of their best players in the CL-winning season and was their MoTM in the final. He fell out with the club due to some contract issues and wasn't feeling valued, so we got him as our marquee signing.
I can see some similarities in the Mata deal, but it was still different. Mourinho wasn't counting on him, but he was still a class signing and was already established as one of the better players in the league and a Spanish international. Most of the fans were delighted with the Mata deal before it became clear that Moyes didn't have a clue about where to play him. I can't see a similar reaction to a possible Moura deal, but if Van Gaal wants him, then it's fine by me. We'd give him a chance if he joins, but I think we should be looking at other players, such as Mahrez or even Mane.
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He was a kid when he went to PSG, they offered more money to his club and Leonardo courted him and his father, I don't see that as something to hold against him. He wouldn't be my #1 choice for the RW but I think he's as good of an option as some of the others who are currently getting the Caf consensus hot and bothered.
If players that performed at their previous teams are doing nothing here, what makes you think somebody who doesn't perform at his current team will do better?
Football isn't linear, sometimes it's best to focus on what a player can bring to you than what he can't bring to someone else.
Exactly. Evolve/adapt or become extinct.
Coutinho was pretty much doing nothing special at inter, they were happy to sell him for a smallish fee. Suddenly he comes to England and bursts into life.
Just because he isn't getting in the team ahead of Di Maria or cavani doesn't mean he isn't a good player. You don't always have to buy the latest in vogue player, sometimes it's about realising talent and getting the 100% best from them.
I was not comparing Lucas and bale as players. I was talking about the idea of bidding for a player who has already rejected us. Nothing daft about that imo.
All because he comes off the bench for PSG doesn't mean he cannot do a job for us on the wing. Does that mean you would not want Isco, who frequently warms the bench for Madrid?
Merry Christmas btw!
Lucas made a very sensible choice joining PSG, he had great conditions for a first club in Europe even though he's less comfortable now with Blanc's tactics than with Ancellotti. He's definitely improved, he was just very rough to start with.
It could be useful for Utd to partner him with Martial to make it impossible to double mark both of them but he's not a player who transforms the playstyle of a team and I think you have much deeper issues than that.
It could be useful for Utd to partner him with Martial to make it impossible to double mark both of them but he's not a player who transforms the playstyle of a team and I think you have much deeper issues than that.
Ligue 1 is one of the most negative leagues tactically in Europe, I always knew he'd have problems.
In England he'd have way more space to show off his acceleration like Lennon and Bale had.
In England he'd have way more space to show off his acceleration like Lennon and Bale had.
If we have chance to sign him, we should not be wasting time to doing so,first there isn't much decent wingers left secondly he just fits in our vacant RW spot.
He's more direct in his approach which we badly missing too.
He's more direct in his approach which we badly missing too.
Seems a lot of chat on this purely from a 'gossip' article in the telegraph, has there actually been anything even close to reliable linking us with him?
Yes, these players have rejected us, but the difference is Bale and Isco are much better players than Moura and the fans would swallow their pride if it means signing a player of such calibre. Bale is a key player for Madrid and even though Isco doesn't seem to be a regular starter in Benitez's eyes, he's still a great player who'd add the creativity we so desperately need.
Moura rejected us, but if we sign him, I won't hold it againts him. What concerns me more is his obvious lack of quality at the moment that is keeping him on the fringes at PSG. Having Mata on the right right now means that almost every decent winger would add something to our team and I'm sure we'd be better with Moura on the wing, but signing underperforming reserves doesn't exactly fill me with confidence. As I already said, getting a player like Mahrez would be much better IMO.
On the other hand, we could do a "Coutinho" and offer an underperforming player a platform to finally showcase his talent. If we get him and it pays off, it'd be a great capture as he's also still young and learning. It could end well for us, but depending on him to deliver on a weekly basis after struggling in the French league, wouldn't be a very good idea IMO. I guess he'd be a low-risk signing for a reasonable fee that would help improve the squad depth. Looks like that's what we're trying to do in January (we've also been linked with Ayoze and Muto) leaving the bigger transfers for the summer.
Merry Christmas to you too, mate.
Lucas Moura would be too good to be true, and at £22 mill that is certainly the case!
Real Madrid, probably
Real Madrid, probably
trueDi Maria was too good to be true as well. We could sign Messi, Neymar, and Bale and LVG would have them playing like Depay, Rooney, and Mata within 2 months.