Individual mistakes or not, LVG underestimated them.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss three 1-1 draws.
The first got us knocked out of the FA Cup, the next puts us in a good position in our Round of 16 Europa League game, and the latest was an actual decent performance against Arsenal at Old Trafford.
All hopes for the season now rest on the Europa League - does Amorim have the squad to win it?
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He needs to ditch the 3-5-2 it's not working and he also needs to pick a team with balance to get some results and confidence otherwise this season will be over in a couple of months.
The last 3 games have been as poor as anything I have seen at utd in terms of lack of creativity and being outplayed by much weaker teams, injuries have played a part but tactically he has been poor and he is in danger of persisting with something that isn't working.
The last 3 games have been as poor as anything I have seen at utd in terms of lack of creativity and being outplayed by much weaker teams, injuries have played a part but tactically he has been poor and he is in danger of persisting with something that isn't working.
You don't think there is anything inherently wrong with the system, despite the fact (in England) it has failed at City, Liverpool and now United?
Needs to start playing a defensive system that we are comfortable with. As everytime MK Dons came forward we looked like conceding. Worrying times.
SAF did that in numerous occasions and with a squad pool which is much better then this pile of shite. The coventry game springs in mind
He will be fired before the end of October when we'll be 15th in the league.
He's been poor so far, very early days though.
He's played players out of the position on numerous occassions and did again tonight. I can't remember who said it but if any other manager was playing Young at LWB, especially Moyes, he would be declared as an idiot.
3 months of this utter shite and he won't be lasting long here trust me. Woodward said we have to make top 4 at all costs.
Did I say that?
I'm saying green smiles and calling people pathetic for pointing out the bloody obvious is ridiculous especially when this was a common theme last season.
Again I think the players have let themselves down hugely, nowhere near even what they were doing in pre-season.
Nah, you're assuming again. Moyes lost me early 2014, not f*cking August you plum.You wouldn't have said that about Moyes at all.
Short term pain, long term gain.
Stomach the bedding in period and reap the benefits in years to come. For years our style of play has been turgid, our tactics have been one dimensional, the quality of our squad has regressed. At least he's attempting to rectify it. LvG needs time to rebuild the team, it isn't a quick fix solution. Just look at his influence over Bayern/Barca.
It wasn't a great game, but the players let him down. Silly mistakes, careless defending, heads gone. LvG's head shouldn't go for giving youth a chance - something that we pride ourselves on (at least when we win?)
Stomach the bedding in period and reap the benefits in years to come. For years our style of play has been turgid, our tactics have been one dimensional, the quality of our squad has regressed. At least he's attempting to rectify it. LvG needs time to rebuild the team, it isn't a quick fix solution. Just look at his influence over Bayern/Barca.
It wasn't a great game, but the players let him down. Silly mistakes, careless defending, heads gone. LvG's head shouldn't go for giving youth a chance - something that we pride ourselves on (at least when we win?)
FFS, some of you lot need to calm down. Its a cup game and how many times have we seen this happening. Two of the players who started are first team players. Credit to MK dons they wanted it more than us and deservedly won it.
This loss has nothing to do with the formation/ personnel. Just another bad day at the office. This is a one off cup game. Just don't get your knickers in a twist cause you are going to get laughed at work tomorrow. Its just a poor performance and I am sure this is as embarrassing to the players as it is to us.
This loss has nothing to do with the formation/ personnel. Just another bad day at the office. This is a one off cup game. Just don't get your knickers in a twist cause you are going to get laughed at work tomorrow. Its just a poor performance and I am sure this is as embarrassing to the players as it is to us.
Bollocks, you were on at him all season.
Errr...never?
What about playing so many players who've barely had a kick for months? Or playing a system that doesn't suit the players? Keeping Hernandez on when he was breaking down a lot of our moves.
There were a lot of individual mistakes which he's not responsible for but a lot of the problems have already been seen in the league (and preseason imo).
Nope. With the right players any (traditional) system can succeed imo. 442 for example isn't fashionable right now but I've no doubt that if you had the right players you could win the league with it. I don't think 352/532 suits us though. Our best 11 we could put out could probably do it decently but not as well as they could play another way imo.
It's so obvious the problem is the standard of our players. We can't defend even with three central defenders and we can't pass short or long. We have no creativity in the forward areas. We're just a bad side. Time to face the fact Moyes wasn't responsible for last season but our terrible and overpaid squad. Thanks for leaving this lot behind, Fergie. Amazing.
Okay, believe what you want ya weirdo.I understand this is a long term project that needs time, but if we don't start seeing incapable players being offloaded, then what is he working on exactly?
Steve Claridge on BBC:
"Louis van Gaal contributed by playing people out of position and a system that didn't suit them. They didn't know what they were doing, didn't know what they're playing. The players aren't that bad but they don't understand the system they're playing in."
"Louis van Gaal contributed by playing people out of position and a system that didn't suit them. They didn't know what they were doing, didn't know what they're playing. The players aren't that bad but they don't understand the system they're playing in."
Twice in 20 years is how often we see this happen.
Things will get better eventually. Don't have too high hopes about this season though. Looked the worse team in 3 out of 3 games so far.
Moyes was shite appointment from the beginning. He was never up to par. LvG is different case tho, he has the credentials of managing top sides. He needs time. Being out of the Mickey Mouse cup makes no difference whatsoever.
It really isn't insulting to them, we've all criticised Fergie before for going too youth orientated in these games. To throw so many nervous players into a formation they're not naturally comfortable in is simply unfair on them. These games are always tougher than they should be as it's once in a lifetime for opposition players, our lads had to get used to where they're supposed to be while coming up against that.
Along with the positions players were played in that's some of the worst management I've seen from us, including Fergies Blackburn blunder and Moyes whole tenure.
They need to have their brains trained.
He was on his way to getting Barca relegated in his second spell there before he was sacked and the new manager turned it round.
LVG is taking a look and there will be a firesale of United players soon, and after this many of our fringe first-teamers will be hending out before august ends..
Shambles..
Shambles..
I'm not gonna blame LVG for the players being spineless and shit, they were the players he was left with I will however blame him for not selling half of them after preseason and for continuing to play that fecking 342 system!
i think we need to be careful, its only his third game in charge here, and he has undoubted qualities as a manager. Moyes was not up to this task, and he was completely smalltime in everything he did but honestly these performances are going to keep exonerating him to a certain extent. the bulk of the players at the club have completely lost the plot. since the second fergie retired the bubble has shattered over a lot of them.
So he has to carry the can for this as well as the players. If the whole set up from under 12s whatever played it then yes it would work but he's experimented tonight and it failed
Fergie was a curse in disguise. This team is just full of posers and through some kind of black magic he was able to get them to perform week in week out.
Simply embarrassing.
You know what pissed me off even more than seeing us get a battering to some average league one side.. LVG signing fecking autographs after the game. Could you imagine Fergie doing that? No chance.
Who do you think will have picked a team against MK Dons? Do you think LVG is familiar with the quality of div 1 club? Make no mistake, LVG will have asked Giggs to pick him a team that can win (probably with a 3-5-2 formation).
Oh wake the feck up will you, Jesus Christ.
IMO it was his fault. He should shoulder the blame today for playing players out of position and playing too many kids in one go when it was clear we needed a confidence boost. We didn't even have 'insurance' on the bench. It's the first decision he's got wrong IMO
Coventry, Southend few years back??. The scoreline may be worse off and embarassing , but its same as those results, just a day where nothing went right.
So its not been the best of starts, but lets point out that even Moyes had a good 3-5 months before people were really getting on his back. We have had a huge amount of injuries (as usual), always seem to be slow starters, and tonight was very much a second team.
I would still expect our academy products to be able to put in a better performance, but it isnt the end of the world as far as the club is concerned (though for some of the players tonight I think it will be the end of the road).
I would still expect our academy products to be able to put in a better performance, but it isnt the end of the world as far as the club is concerned (though for some of the players tonight I think it will be the end of the road).
We should be freaking expecting 4th at least, another season withouth CL would be devastating.
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