Originally posted by lchk:
I never said Brown was crap, just not regular first team material.
So you only rate him the same as Brown, good for cover?
The "big picture" is I PERSONALLY feel that Brown won't be a regular centre-half for us. This is no sign of disrespect to him, he has excellent skills - it's just that his mental strength doesn't seem up to mark to me.
Because he made one or two bo bos last season. Defenders rarely get praise but as soon as they make mistakes their slaughtered. RVN missed more sitters last seasonm than Brown did underhit backpasses etc, they should both get equal criticism imo
Beckham actually had an excellent season weighing in with 16 goals. Scholes had a bad start due to him being played out of position. So it's not a straight comparison.
How can you forget how crap Beckham was last season, he rarely performed until Christmas, was dropped until February and played decent for 2 months before getting injured. 16 goals should not deflect from the fact that he also has to do better in future. Scholes was terrible until Christmas, played out of position allright but he should be able to adapt. Its a position on paper that looks made for him. Great footballers have to be adaptable.
Please note that I am not out to slag off all our young players, I rate O'Shea highly (he hasn't put a foot wrong for us), it's still early days yet.
As soon as he does put a foot wrong thats it then?
I like the way you are approaching this little debate, no expletives and no angry tones. Keep it up!
i wouldnt get too excited, im starting to hear voices im shit out of medicine <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" />
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Originally posted by Raoul:
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And you've seen enough Derby County and United reserve fixtures out in Malaysia to make an informed analysis then have you. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
And they have never appeared for their respective first teams? Or ever appeared on telly? Funny, I could have sworn there were two players with the names of O'Shea and Higginbotham on the back of their jerseys appear for Man Utd and Derby respectively in several of the live matches I watched last season
Maybe you can tell me you know more about them than I do in sunny old California
You just can't resist having a go at me can you?
Originally posted by Murt:
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So you only rate him the same as Brown, good for cover?</strong><hr></blockquote>
At the moment, yes. Of course Brown may still do good and get that regular spot he wants in due time - he's got years on his side. Bear in mind that being a cover doesn't make all of them the same. Butt and Solksjaer are essentially covers but that doesn't make them crap, are they?
<strong>Because he made one or two bo bos last season. Defenders rarely get praise but as soon as they make mistakes their slaughtered. RVN missed more sitters last seasonm than Brown did underhit backpasses etc, they should both get equal criticism imo
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Not just one or two "bo bos" but his overall consistency has actually backslided over the past 2+ seasons he's played for us. Granted he had a long lay-off but I feel he hasn't been the same for us after that and it's not just one or two games, it's several.
<strong>How can you forget how crap Beckham was last season, he rarely performed until Christmas, was dropped until February and played decent for 2 months before getting injured. 16 goals should not deflect from the fact that he also has to do better in future.</strong><hr></blockquote>
He was dropped for only a few games if my memory is correct. Yes he can do better but 16 goals is still an achievement. To compare him to Brown's season is foolish at best.
<strong>Scholes was terrible until Christmas, played out of position allright but he should be able to adapt. Its a position on paper that looks made for him. Great footballers have to be adaptable.
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So Veron isn't very adaptable but you keep saying he's a great player?
<strong>As soon as he does put a foot wrong thats it then?
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Nope judge him by the end of the season.
<strong>i wouldnt get too excited, im starting to hear voices im shit out of medicine
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Relax Murt, it's just a game after all
Originally posted by lchk:
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And they have never appeared for their respective first teams? Or ever appeared on telly? Funny, I could have sworn there were two players with the names of O'Shea and Higginbotham on the back of their jerseys appear for Man Utd and Derby respectively in several of the live matches I watched last season
Maybe you can tell me you know more about them than I do in sunny old California
You just can't resist having a go at me can you?</strong><hr></blockquote>
and you're basing your entire comparative assesment on both players from two matches are you. Get real.
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Originally posted by Murt:
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Thats not what the voices are telling me, they say "kill, kill"
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Originally posted by lchk:
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Can we not get back to discussing how much better Danny H is better than Wes & O'Shea?
Originally posted by Murt:
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Can we not get back to discussing how much better Danny H is better than Wes & O'Shea?</strong><hr></blockquote>
No, I'd rather drop it in case you go amok
Wouldn't want innocent bystanders to be bashed up
Originally posted by lchk:
<strong>No, I'd rather drop it in case you go amok
Wouldn't want innocent bystanders to be bashed up
A go on, tell us how div 1 Danny Higginbotham is better than World Cup Wes Brown and was a better prospect than him 4 yrs go. Basing your opinion of course on what you had read about him in shoot magazine.
Originally posted by Murt:
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A go on, tell us how div 1 Danny Higginbotham is better than World Cup Wes Brown and was a better prospect than him 4 yrs go. Basing your opinion of course on what you had read about him in shoot magazine.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I never said danny was better than brown.
You merely shoved your own words into my mouth, so to speak.
This discussion is over.
Originally posted by lchk:
<strong>I never said danny was better than brown.
You merely shoved your own words into my mouth, so to speak.
Can we not talk about this anymore as im loosing badly
Your constantly whining about Brown and yet you regretted Danny H leaving despite having never seen him play!
Im not shoving words into your mouth, im trying to understand you.