Lopez and Sorin to join

RUDDY

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Claudio Lopez:

"I received a call from a club director on Thursday and he sounded me out about a move to Manchester United.

"I told him I was flattered and to link up with Juan Veron again would be great - but he said Veron is part of the deal. He will join Lazio while Sorin and I will join United.

"The club have arranged for us to travel to England very soon to discuss terms with Manchester United."

if this comes off and we get rio we will walk it this year
 
I dont think you realise how over rated some of these world class players are.

Perhaps its more of a case of english players being under rated or less glamourous, but players like Kanoute maybe would do as good a job as Lopez. Just look at Veron, someone like Carrick probably had a more successful season.

We will not walk it if they come. Lopez is not the kind of striker I'd hope for, he can play left wing right?

I'm fed up of dealing with Lazio....
 
Originally posted by RUDDY:
<strong>Claudio Lopez:

"I received a call from a club director on Thursday and he sounded me out about a move to Manchester United.

"I told him I was flattered and to link up with Juan Veron again would be great - but he said Veron is part of the deal. He will join Lazio while Sorin and I will join United.

"The club have arranged for us to travel to England very soon to discuss terms with Manchester United."

if this comes off and we get rio we will walk it this year</strong><hr></blockquote>

source?
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<a href="http://uk.sports.yahoo.com/020707/4/d2wpw.html" target="_blank">Gimme a f'kin break, it's the NOTW ffs</a> <img src="graemlins/yawn.gif" border="0" alt="[Yawn]" />
 
Two crap individuals for Veron? No thanks <img src="graemlins/annoyed.gif" border="0" alt="[Annoyed]" />
 
Crap individuals?

Let me just remind you lot that Claudio Lopez, before his move to Lazio, was considered probably one of the top 3 strikers in the world and if one would've asked me a few years ago who would be the striker I'd like us to sign the most it'd have been him.

And Sorin is hardly someone I'd call crap.

I'm not saying anything pro or against this move but the players on offer are certainly not "crap individuals".
 
Originally posted by Roy:
<strong>I'm not saying anything pro or against this move but the players on offer are certainly not "crap individuals".</strong><hr></blockquote>It's a Kemo quote Roy... They'll both be the best players in the world next week, according to him like.
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I will take back the "crap" statement. I was just to annoyed that they would be thought as suitable replacements for Veron. :o :(
They would only be worth it if we were getting Ronaldinho to replece Seba. :)
 
Originally posted by kemo:
<strong>I will take back the "crap" statement. I was just to annoyed that they would be thought as suitable replacements for Veron. :o :(
They would only be worth it if we were getting Ronaldinho to replece Seba. :) </strong><hr></blockquote>

how are they replacements?

ones a striker and the other is a defender
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I cant agree that Lopez was ever considered one of the top 3 strikers in the world...he may well be a good player, but he will not revolutionize our team in the same way a true world class player could.

Frankly if we take this it must be in desperation because I think we'd much rather havethe cash to finance for our restructuring.

Probably aload of bollox, but Verons departure looks more and more likely...
 
Originally posted by ShAoLiN_ChRoNiC:
<strong>I cant agree that Lopez was ever considered one of the top 3 strikers in the world...he may well be a good player, but he will not revolutionize our team in the same way a true world class player could.

Frankly if we take this it must be in desperation because I think we'd much rather havethe cash to finance for our restructuring.

Probably aload of bollox, but Verons departure looks more and more likely...</strong><hr></blockquote>


mate did you not see his games in the CL for valencia he was class and hes fast as feck

his goal against rangers was pure class if anyone remembers it you will know what i mean
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Claudio Lopez was never one of the World's best strikers. He had a purple patch and was considered a huge talent, but he never kept it up or scored enough goals.

In the past 2 years he's been a huge disappointment. Often injured and thats a good excuse, but the bottom line remains disappointing.

As for Sorin, I've only really seen him in the World Cup. Good player... Not sold on him either though.

And I don't think it seems 'Veron looks more and more likely to leave'. Seems like Lazio are making a lot of noises but they are very restricted as they can't buy players. Or pay for one's they already have bought.

All a bit childish.
 
Lazio still owe United money from the Jaap Stam deal. The amount still owed is approximately what they paid for Sorin, around 9-10 million. Now it becomes a straight swap Veron for Lopez. If United are prepared to spend 20-25 million on a striker I hope it's not Lopez. I would prefer to see Duff or Ronaldinho.
 
IMO if the swap is for real, it may be good. Sorin and Lopez are both starters for Argentina. They are very decent players. It is like us paying 10 & 15 million for them respectively, which is more or less their market values. The truth is, everytime we try to buy some players, their prices are hiked up 200%. Realistically, we can hardly buy good international defenders for &lt;10 million who is &lt;26yrs and with verygood skills, and lots of experience (35caps 6gls). The last Left FB we were linked with was Escude for 6million, he's not even in the French squad, and is not proven at european and international levels.
As for Lopez, 15 million for him is very reasonable, 28yrs 45caps 10gls, can play as left midfielder and attacker (he is currently much better than Fortune, Chadwick, and Forlan for sure). No offense, but if Duff costs 25million, Lopez at 15million is a bargain (although if they are prices equally, I will go for Duff).
Besides, if we want to sell Veron for cash, we won't be getting 25 million for him anyway due to the lack of form and the passport issue. Lets say only 1 of 2 (Sorin or Lopez) turn out to be a real stunner, then that's better than us having a super talented superstar who always fail (for some reasons) to perform better than our local fringe players, ain't it?
 
Originally posted by mamboza:
<strong>The last Left FB we were linked with was Escude for 6million, he's not even in the French squad, and is not proven at european and international levels.
As for Lopez, 15 million for him is very reasonable, 28yrs 45caps 10gls, can play as left midfielder and attacker (he is currently much better than Fortune, Chadwick, and Forlan for sure). No offense, but if Duff costs 25million, Lopez at 15million is a bargain (although if they are prices equally, I will go for Duff).</strong><hr></blockquote>

Escude - so what if he's not proven? How about bringing an unproven player and turning him into world class? Haven't tried that in a while.

Duff - Younger and from what I know, not as injury prone as a certain Lopz. I'd take him over Lopez even for 5-7m more.
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Originally posted by Roy:
<strong>Crap individuals?

Let me just remind you lot that Claudio Lopez, before his move to Lazio, was considered probably one of the top 3 strikers in the world and if one would've asked me a few years ago who would be the striker I'd like us to sign the most it'd have been him.

And Sorin is hardly someone I'd call crap.

I'm not saying anything pro or against this move but the players on offer are certainly not "crap individuals".</strong><hr></blockquote>


Him being considered top three was probably wrong in retrospect ehh Roy. More like top 300 now. ;)
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Originally posted by Amir:
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Escude - so what if he's not proven? How about bringing an unproven player and turning him into world class? Haven't tried that in a while.

Duff - Younger and from what I know, not as injury prone as a certain Lopz. I'd take him over Lopez even for 5-7m more.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Duff and Lopez, somewhat different players. I'd take Duff over him in a heartbeat.
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Originally posted by Raoul:
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Duff and Lopez, somewhat different players. I'd take Duff over him in a heartbeat.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Not totally different. Both pacey players and good dribblers, can play on the left wing and behind a main striker. Lopez played behind Batistuta in WC 98.

But I agree with you, prefer Duff, one must.
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Originally posted by Raoul:
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Him being considered top three was probably wrong in retrospect ehh Roy. More like top 300 now. ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

He's not the first nor the last player to fail in Italy

:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Raoul:
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He had one good year. He was shit in 99/00.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Shit you say? I take it leading Valencia to the CL final is nothing?

During his time at Valencia he was easily considered one of the top players in the world, not to mention his 98/99 where for me he was just unbelievable.
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Originally posted by Roy:
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Shit you say? I take it leading Valencia to the CL final is nothing?

During his time at Valencia he was easily considered one of the top players in the world, not to mention his 98/99 where for me he was just unbelievable.</strong><hr></blockquote>


His numbers at Valencia are comparable to Dwight Yorke's at United. Had one good year during Valenica's CL run, one decent year in 97/98, and two shit years in 96/76 & 99/00 in wihch he scored 9 goals 59 matches played. Yorke was arguably better during that time and was considered one of Europe's best in 98/99. I don't see what the fuss about Lopez is all about these days.
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Originally posted by Raoul:
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His numbers at Valencia are comparable to Dwight Yorke's at United. Had one good year during Valenica's CL run, one decent year in 97/98, and two shit years in 96/76 & 99/00 in wihch he scored 9 goals 59 matches played. Yorke was arguably better during that time and was considered one of Europe's best in 98/99. I don't see what the fuss about Lopez is all about these days.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Well, there's always a story behind the stats..

In 96 when he came the Valencia manager played him in midfield, on the left, that's why his stats are not all that..

A season later he was pushed forward to play as a second striker and he did a lot better and had a good season.

Then came the 98/99 season (which was our CL run, not Valencia's! ;) ) in which he was the best player in Spain by a country mile and ended topscorer.

In 99/00 he led Valencia to the CL final and had another very good season (how you can claim he was shit is beyond me).

And unlike other strikers, Lopez is a lot more of a creator than a goalscorer so using stats to determine how good he is/was is bollocks.

I'm not saying we should or shouldn't sign him but I know that if there was a chance of him showing the same form he showed for Valencia then I'd snap Lazio's hands off as he showed some amazing stuff those days.
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Thats right. Valencia had their two CL runs in years when Lopez wasn't as effective as in 98/99. ;)

I just dont see a player like him fitting in with us. He's probably be in the same predicament as he is at Lazio. I don't think he could displace Solskjaer either.
 
mmmmmmmm........what can i say mates?let SAF sign whoever he wants to coz im tired of speculating hahahaha,provide we win trophies next season
 
jus an opinion ... i think instead of splashing so much money on world class players ... why not scout for someone who is not too good but yet produce the goods.

Lets face the facts ... how many of us knew sami hyypia or even john arnne riise before they joined liverpool??? now they are world class.

all i am saying is united scouts shld try to find players with future potential not players already playing with potential.
 
The problem is the talent our scouts spot have so much potential they are too expensive i.e Stam, Ruud, etc ;)
 
Originally posted by kemo:
<strong>The problem is the talent our scouts spot have so much potential they are too expensive i.e Stam, Ruud, etc ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

lol how did our scouts spot RVN and stam?
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Originally posted by Raoul:
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He had one good year. He was shit in 99/00.</strong><hr></blockquote>

<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> Were you watching him then?
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Originally posted by Giggsy:
<strong>jus an opinion ... i think instead of splashing so much money on world class players ... why not scout for someone who is not too good but yet produce the goods.

Lets face the facts ... how many of us knew sami hyypia or even john arnne riise before they joined liverpool??? now they are world class.

all i am saying is united scouts shld try to find players with future potential not players already playing with potential.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I brought this up earlier and was flamed for it. Bottom line isn't we aren't too good in spotting upcoming talent nowadays - don't bring up past history of players like solksjaer and irwin. If we want to save some cash (ie the PLC way), we will have to improve our talent recruitment much more effectively.
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Originally posted by lchk:
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I brought this up earlier and was flamed for it. Bottom line isn't we aren't too good in spotting upcoming talent nowadays - don't bring up past history of players like solksjaer and irwin. If we want to save some cash (ie the PLC way), we will have to improve our talent recruitment much more effectively.</strong><hr></blockquote>

ongratulations itchy, you found someone who understands football just as badly as you.

Where are all these other clubs that are so much better than us @ finding young players?
Dont bring up "past history" players???? How else can we dispute your ridiculous statement?
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Originally posted by Murt:
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ongratulations itchy, you found someone who understands football just as badly as you.

Where are all these other clubs that are so much better than us @ finding young players?
Dont bring up "past history" players???? How else can we dispute your ridiculous statement?</strong><hr></blockquote>

In your eyes, we have a flawless recruitment policy <img src="graemlins/smirk.gif" border="0" alt="[Smirk]" />
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Originally posted by lchk:
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<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> Were you watching him then?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yes.
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Originally posted by lchk:
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In your eyes, we have a flawless recruitment policy <img src="graemlins/smirk.gif" border="0" alt="[Smirk]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

I'm just glad that there's no one like you at OT.
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Originally posted by lchk:
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In your eyes, we have a flawless recruitment policy <img src="graemlins/smirk.gif" border="0" alt="[Smirk]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

The HR department needs an overhaul I agree.
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Originally posted by lchk:
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In your eyes, we have a flawless recruitment policy <img src="graemlins/smirk.gif" border="0" alt="[Smirk]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

Answer the question itchy.
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