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Livestream out of Syria
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To be clear I am not commenting on whether the current uprising is Islamist or not (going by what you have said in this thread there well could be support from other communities towards the rebels), the only thing I had tried to say by giving the 70s example is that Syria has a history of sectarian violence between different factions of Islam - what is currently happening is not new though the scale is unprecedented - and that the regime should have learnt their lesson and taken the chance in 00-01 to reform.
The clear fact is that a minority sect dictatorship is ruling the country and the majority sect community want him out. That is the main cause, "democracy" as the western nations view it cannot be the main factor simply because 1) Syria never has been one and 2) the earlier Baath party constitution - though autocratic, was atleast secular (unlike the new one which specifies that only muslims can be president) and, dare I say, more progressive than some other MEA countries.
Never heard of this one and didn't understand it also??
Sad but so true:
Here are the main points in the text of the newly drafted charter:
· It drops Article 8 of the current constitution, which declared the ruling Baath Party, in power since 1963, as the “leader of the state and society,” allowing a multi-party system.
· It bans parties based on religion or ethnicity, which in theory would exclude the Muslim Brotherhood or Kurdish parties.
· The president must be a Muslim man, is elected by universal suffrage and can serve a maximum of two seven-year terms.
Under the current constitution, the Baath Party submits a candidate to parliament which then calls a referendum for approval.
The new charter raises the minimum age of the president from 34 to 40, states that he must be married to a Syrian woman and have lived at least 10 years in Syria.
In both the existing constitution and the new draft, the following powers are the same:
· The president appoints the prime minister and cabinet members, a point that has already been challenged by the opposition, which has called for whichever party gets a parliamentary majority to name the premier.
· The president can enact legislation when parliament is not in session.
· The president, prime minister, cabinet members, MPs and members of the constitutional council may not hold dual nationality.
· It drops all articles referring to a socialist state, culture or economy. It calls for economic development through both the private and public sectors.
Seriously dude, no one read it, no one voted, even the people who like Bashar voted with a no because they want him "forever" and still it won by 90% yes votes! so seriously it's bullshit.
Edit:It changed in 15 minutes when Hafez Al-Assad died to give Bashar the power, so it's nothing of importance.
One of the most important videos, hope everyone sees this:
This is a documentary made by CNN, just watch it, it lets you know what's really happening:
Peaceful protesters attacking a hospital
Peaceful protesters killing civilians
First of all it wasn't a hospital anymore, it was filled with security forces and army, and it had no patients at all, also any Sunni guy who got inside this hospital was killed, and the Free Syrian Army waited for 2 days outside the hospital asking the army to get out so they can get the bodies of civilians killed by the army from inside the hospital! and the second video is a fake one...
there are sunnis even in the army fighting against the rebels so i find it hard to understand that they would kill sunnis on sight. furthermore can one anyone differentiate between a sunni and shia by there looks ?
no the second video isn't fake...the rebels aren't saints that they are being portrayed as. They are radical extremists...sorry to say but the whole "peaceful protest" movement has been hijacked by extremists.
no the second video isn't fake...the rebels aren't saints that they are being portrayed as. They are radical extremists...sorry to say but the whole "peaceful protest" movement has been hijacked by extremists.
I'm not talking Shia, I'm talking about Al-Awities, and yes they can by the ID card, it unbelievable what this regime did to differentiate between Syrians and turn them against each others, since they took charge of the country they knew what to do to keep themselves in power, and they are unbelievably horrible.
Edit: Also all the army in Homs is Al-Awities, most of the Syrian Army as a hole is Al-Awities, just stating facts.
This is not true at all, you got to see what's happening inside to know the full truth and there are no extremists.
If rebels are extremists, why are thousands are protesting in front of the UN observers? If ,as some here are saying, the people want Bashar to stay, then why are people who don't usually protest feel that it's safer to protest around the UN observers and thousands comes out to meet them?
A protest+funeral will take place 2 hours from now in Barzeh, there's a big chance we will get shot at, the last time protest+funeral happened there 10 were killed by security forces, so pray for me... 
More than 90% of Syrian people are Muslims, what diversity are you talking about?!
By the way Syrian Scholes, those explosions WILL help the rebels. One way is because it will up the number of casualties that they will use to call out for help..
"Since the beginning of the protests, 10000 people were killed!"
Who cares who killed them.
More than 90% of Syrian people are Muslims, what diversity are you talking about?!
By the way Syrian Scholes, those explosions WILL help the rebels. One way is because it will up the number of casualties that they will use to call out for help..
That must be the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
"Since the beginning of the protests, 10000 people were killed!"
15000
Who cares who killed them.
Not true 78% are Muslims, and for me and people around we don't sharia law and islamists to take over, and your saying Muslims=Islamists and that is very not true!!
Also there's Arabs and Kurds so not even the same origins!
That must be the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
15000
Not true 78% are Muslims, and for me and people around we don't sharia law and islamists to take over, and your saying Muslims=Islamists and that is very not true!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syria
Are you only counting the Sunni as Muslims?
By the way, it's not stupid. Don't act like you don't know what the rebels strategy is..
You are picturing Al-Assad as one of the harshest dictators that ever lived, and you're trying to topple him through peaceful protests? Does that make sense to you? Of course not. Those protests are just aimed at triggering reaction from him, and when some of the protesters get killed you'll call out the world to intervene and topple him, for "humanitarian reasons".
Of course the more people get killed, the easier it will be to make a case to convince the world to intervene.. Look at Bahrain, when it was obvious that nobody will ever help them, the protests pretty much died, because it will be pointless to die in the protests if there is no hope behind it.
The only hope you have now is publicity, so when more people get killed, you'll get more publicity, and it will help you eventually..
Thanks for correcting me on the number of casualties by the way (quite quickly).. That's the point isn't it? The number looks even more important to you than the point I was making..
Look mate, I don't work with any organization, I don't work with the rebels, I protest to get my human rights, is that wrong? I only want the truth to be told.
May I ask a few questions?
1- How do you think is that going to grant you the human rights you are asking for, in a brutal dictatorship like Al-Assad's?
2- Why didn't you protest before the world started intervening in some of the Arab countries? 40 years look like quite a long time.
And on another issue..
3- Why do you think Saudi Arabia (a country being run by Al-Sharia law by the way) is making a lot of efforts (including spending big amounts of money) to topple Al-Assad?
4- Why do you think Al-Qaeda want to topple Al-Assad?
5- If Al-Assad is eventually toppled, who do you think will most likely control the country, Saudi Arabia (in one way or another, after spending so much to get it done), Al-Qaeda, or the peaceful protesters?
1- How do you think is that going to grant you the human rights you are asking for, in a brutal dictatorship like Al-Assad's?
2- Why didn't you protest before the world started intervening in some of the Arab countries? 40 years look like quite a long time.
And on another issue..
3- Why do you think Saudi Arabia (a country being run by Al-Sharia law by the way) is making a lot of efforts (including spending big amounts of money) to topple Al-Assad?
4- Why do you think Al-Qaeda want to topple Al-Assad?
5- If Al-Assad is eventually toppled, who do you think will most likely control the country, Saudi Arabia (in one way or another, after spending so much to get it done), Al-Qaeda, or the peaceful protesters?
..May I ask a few questions?
1- How do you think is that going to grant you the human rights you are asking for, in a brutal dictatorship like Al-Assad's?
Haven't you heard about France revolution and other revolutions in history?
2- Why didn't you protest before the world started intervening in some of the Arab countries? 40 years look like quite a long time.
First off, you can see in the 80s what happened in Syria, 40.00 killed because some armed islamists tried to topple Hafez's regime so people were too scared, when we saw what happened in other arab countries we thought we deserve to have freedom like them.
And on another issue..
3- Why do you think Saudi Arabia (a country being run by Al-Sharia law by the way) is making a lot of efforts (including spending big amounts of money) to topple Al-Assad?
Because Iran control Syria and Saudi is against Iran and toppling the Syrian regime will help to stop Iran getting too much control in the Arab world, plus were are those efforts?
4- Why do you think Al-Qaeda want to topple Al-Assad?
5- If Al-Assad is eventually toppled, who do you think will most likely control the country, Saudi Arabia (in one way or another, after spending so much to get it done), Al-Qaeda, or the peaceful protesters?
I will take control.
@Danny, why didn't this explosions happen in Homs and Hama and Der Ez-Zour and idlib and Rif Dimashq the places were the regime can't get inside and are controlled by the people? If there's Al-Qaeda why is it only present in Damascus the city where every neighborhood have almost 9 security forces centers?
May I ask a few questions?
1- How do you think is that going to grant you the human rights you are asking for, in a brutal dictatorship like Al-Assad's?
Haven't you heard about France revolution and other revolutions in history?
2- Why didn't you protest before the world started intervening in some of the Arab countries? 40 years look like quite a long time.
First off, you can see in the 80s what happened in Syria, 40.00 killed because some armed islamists tried to topple Hafez's regime so people were too scared, when we saw what happened in other arab countries we thought we deserve to have freedom like them.
And on another issue..
3- Why do you think Saudi Arabia (a country being run by Al-Sharia law by the way) is making a lot of efforts (including spending big amounts of money) to topple Al-Assad?
Because Iran control Syria and Saudi is against Iran and toppling the Syrian regime will help to stop Iran getting too much control in the Arab world, plus were are those efforts?
4- Why do you think Al-Qaeda want to topple Al-Assad?
5- If Al-Assad is eventually toppled, who do you think will most likely control the country, Saudi Arabia (in one way or another, after spending so much to get it done), Al-Qaeda, or the peaceful protesters?
You look in too good a mood for somebody fighting for freedom, and living through all those massacres everyday... Anyway..
So you say the Islamists did try to topple the regime once? Where are they now?
What I quoted is the new constitution, not the old one under which Baath party had all rule which allowed Hafez to give Bashar the power.
4- Why do you think Al-Qaeda want to topple Al-Assad?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-18046333
Surely SS you know the ground reality, so please do not be biased on this, it is clear to all that AQ is anti regime.
I highly doubt AQ is anti-regime as Osama Bin-laden was helped so much by Hafez Al-Assad, they could be acting to be with the revolution so they can transform the the world public opinion about the revo, and I'm not trying to be biased but I never thought that the regime was that smart that they worked out how to change the world public opinion!
Edit:AQ might well be anti-regime I don't know about them but I heard Bin Laden was helped by Hafez Al-Assad might be wrong, so I'm not sure on this one.
Al-Qusor, Homs city the dieing city today:
A protest before what's happening now there Al-Qusor, Homs city:
A protest before what's happening now there Al-Qusor, Homs city:
OK enough, it is just that the BBC URL reports AQ group claiming responsibility for the recent bombings. Political affiliations change and the AQ certainly seem to be against the regime now. I also want to thank you for the news you are updating here, take care.
Damn, didn't know you got promoted Syrian, I've been meaning to PM you. Good to see you up, hope everything's well .
.Getting to those links later, I will try to prove it's not AQ, not tonight though, too busy, but you're going to hear me out and I might be wrong and it's really AQ.
Pictures taken by me from Qasion mountain, Damascus:
Keep up the great work Syrian_Scholes
What you are doing takes extraordinary courage and admired by most people. Standing up to Bashar can not be easy, but you will be victorious. These are very different times than the uprising of the Syrian people during the 1980's.
What you are doing takes extraordinary courage and admired by most people. Standing up to Bashar can not be easy, but you will be victorious. These are very different times than the uprising of the Syrian people during the 1980's.
Yep, couldn't agree more. Take care of yourself and don't do anything to jeopardize your own safety.
As I was typing my response above, being safe was a concern I had for Syrian_Scholes, too. The good work does nobody any good if he gets hurt or killed. Safety should be a top priority.
The FSA in Khan Sheikhoun city in Idlib saved 6 of the UN observers after they were fired at by security forces then protected them as the city got shelled with heavy gun fire and today they got them out of the city and handed them to the other observers in a heroic move risking their lives, just like they did with the foreign journalists in Baba Amr in Homs when the district got shelled with rockets...
Here's a video of the UN observers that was shot at in Khan Sheikhon and was saved by the Free Syrian Army:
The Same video but with english subtitle:
The Same video but with english subtitle: