Liverpool 2018/19

By how many points will Liverpool win the title this season?

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B20 said:
Wasn't Van Dijk first name on the teamsheet from day 1?

Keita has been very stop/start. Hopefully he can get a run of games soon.
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Left out of the selection against Burnley, and didn't make his PL debut until January 22nd, almost a month after he was acquired (didn't even make the squad for the 4-3 game against City). Second game after his first start in the PL, he was on the bench again against Huddersfield.

His first start in general came in the FA Cup against Everton in which he scored the winning header.
 
RobinLFC said:
Klopp has always eased in his new players, just look at Van Dijk and Robertson. So I don't know what point you're trying to make, especially with respect to Keita who didn't even have a decent run of games before he got injured.
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Van Dijk played 90 mins 4 days after signing against Everton, suffered a thigh injury for the next game and played in every game after this (other than Huddersfield).
Robertson was eased more in but still played 90 minutes in games since August and September in 2017

Not sure what you are talking about. You should know these things as a Liverpool fan.

RobinLFC said:
Left out of the selection against Burnley, and didn't make his PL debut until January 22nd, almost a month after he was acquired (didn't even make the squad for the 4-3 game against City). Second game after his first start in the PL, he was on the bench again against Huddersfield.

His first start in general came in the FA Cup against Everton in which he scored the winning header.
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The Burnley game was on the 1st of January. Would Van Dijk even be allowed to train before this? It would have been risky for Klopp to play him on the day he officially signed.

He missed the City game because of thigh injury.

Van Dijk literally missed only the Burnsley game which is the day he signed, the City game which he was injured and the Huddersfield game in which he was rested. He also played against Swansea 90 minutes on the 22nd of January.

That is not easing someone in.
 
CognitiveNeuro said:
Van Dijk played 90 mins 4 days after signing against Everton, suffered a thigh injury for the next game and played in every game after this (other than Huddersfield).
Robertson was eased more in but still played 90 minutes in games since August and September in 2017

Not sure what you are talking about. You should know these things as a Liverpool fan.
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Nothing I said in my post was not correct.

Unfortunately I'm not able to say the same about your post since the Everton game was not 4 days after he signed with us, and he didn't have a thigh injury but a slight hamstring problem.

Last of all, I *should* not know everything just because I'm a fan of a football club, you know.
 
IrishRedDevil said:
Such a random question, but did Liverpool fail to get a shot on target in any game in 2012?

Help please.
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Probably. I can’t be sure but we went on a wretched run of form towards the end of Dalglish’s run as manager, then Rodgers struggled when he first started at the back end of 2012.
 
Great result for us yesterday and nice to see Chelsea stumble. I think the Christmas rush will really show what this squad is capable of, its Citys best chance to drop points in the festive jam. Already henderson will miss the derby so I wouldnt be surprised if he started at PSG (I think he would have beem rested there and played the derby but one must adapt). Also will see Sturridge getting involved a lot, maybe Clyne and Moreno (against lower teams).

Though the attack is not as intense as last season, they have improved in the last few days. I think mentally now with all 3 having penned new contracts there will be a change and better teamwork between them.
 
ashfritz said:
Though the attack is not as intense as last season, they have improved in the last few days. I think mentally now with all 3 having penned new contracts there will be a change and better teamwork between them.
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Indeed, although I really like our front line to really start clicking from now. We've been waiting for them to click for a while now and it's really not happened to the extent it did last season.
 
Cold Fusion said:
Indeed, although I really like our front line to really start clicking from now. We've been waiting for them to click for a while now and it's really not happened to the extent it did last season.
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Personally If we are going to stick with this 4-2-3-1 formation I would rather see Firmino back up top with Shaq in the middle behind him and Salah back out on the right. I think Mane and Salah stretch the oppositions defence more and Shaq has the eye for the pass to open them up, but that's only my opinion.
 
Trikie said:
Personally If we are going to stick with this 4-2-3-1 formation I would rather see Firmino back up top with Shaq in the middle behind him and Salah back out on the right. I think Mane and Salah stretch the oppositions defence more and Shaq has the eye for the pass to open them up, but that's only my opinion.
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I agree with this. Shaq is always cutting into the middle so we lose a bit of that width too.
 
Josh 76 said:
Can see them over taking City in the next few weeks.
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I can't see where City are going to drop points and even if they did there is no way we are going the rest of the season without dropping any either.
 
I don't unterstand why Liverpool fans are rating Henderson that much. In my opinion Henderson shouldn't be in the near of the starting 11 if all fit.

He doesn't want the ball and then when he is asking for the ball it's 2 metres away from the CBs. All the passes he plays could also play the CBs instead. All the side and back passes driving me crazy.

I am a liverpool fan for over 15 years. If I criticize Henderson for example on reddit, there are raining downvotes and comments like "you have no clue about football and tactics ".

Maybe here I can get a different view of Henderson? Do you rate him? I and my father don't rate him at all and we asking ourselves if we are don't see.
 
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Link3 said:
I don't unterstand why Liverpool fans are rating Henderson that much. In my opinion Henderson shouldn't be in the near of the starting 11 if all fit.

He doesn't want the ball and then when he is asking for the ball it's 2 metres away from the CBs. All the passes he plays could also play the CBs instead. All the side and back passes driving me crazy.

I am a liverpool fan for over 15 years. If I criticize Henderson for example on reddit, there are raining downvotes and comments like "you have no clue about football and tactics ".

Maybe here I can get a different view of Henderson? Do you rate him? I and my father don't rate him at all and we asking ourselves if we are don't see.
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Henderson is a decent player but you won't win trophies with the guy.
 
Josh 76 said:
Can see them over taking City in the next few weeks.
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Where are City dropping points?

We've got PSG (a), Everton (h), Burnley (a), Bournemouth (a), Napoli (h) and United (h) coming up in the next 20 days. I think we're more likely to lose ground than City are.

Our best ever start to a Premier League season and it won't be enough because City have raised the bar that high.
 
Link3 said:
I don't unterstand why Liverpool fans are rating Henderson that much. In my opinion Henderson shouldn't be in the near of the starting 11 if all fit.

He doesn't want the ball and then when he is asking for the ball it's 2 metres away from the CBs. All the passes he plays could also play the CBs instead. All the side and back passes driving me crazy.

I am a liverpool fan for over 15 years. If I criticize Henderson for example on reddit, there are raining downvotes and comments like "you have no clue about football and tactics ".

Maybe here I can get a different view of Henderson? Do you rate him? I and my father don't rate him at all and we asking ourselves if we are don't see.
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He's decent for me. He breaks up opposition play and can certainly pass. He gets into the box a bit too for a few chances. He's not polished but he's good enough to get into that team for me.
 
Klopper76 said:
Where are City dropping points?

We've got PSG (a), Everton (h), Burnley (a), Bournemouth (a), Napoli (h) and United (h) coming up in the next 20 days. I think we're more likely to lose ground than City are.

Our best ever start to a Premier League season and it won't be enough because City have raised the bar that high.
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You will smash Everton and Bournmouth. Then beat Burnley. City will beat Bournemouth and Watford, then lose to Chelsea.
So according to my maths, you will be one point ahead.
 
Henderson is a good player and option. His workrate alone serves us well and is something which can really help in the PL, where you have to earn the right to play, as they say. He helps us earn that right. Just have to look at how off the pace Fabinho and Keita have looked at times (despite being technically far superior footballers) to see how difficult it can be for midfielders in this league.

City will drop points eventually. Just have to keep plugging away.
 
Klopper76 said:
Where are City dropping points?

We've got PSG (a), Everton (h), Burnley (a), Bournemouth (a), Napoli (h) and United (h) coming up in the next 20 days. I think we're more likely to lose ground than City are.

Our best ever start to a Premier League season and it won't be enough because City have raised the bar that high.
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Agreed, after finally putting together a team that I think could have pushed Mourinho and SAF teams in bygone seasons, this City are just unreal. I guess now we know how the other teams in Germany, France and Italy feel most seasons. Good news for our hosts here at the Cafe I guess, we are the lesser of 2 evils for them.

Keep focused and getting points though and who knows what might happen, though its safe to say at this stage our return game away at City is a must win if we are to have any chance.
 
Link3 said:
I don't unterstand why Liverpool fans are rating Henderson that much. In my opinion Henderson shouldn't be in the near of the starting 11 if all fit.

He doesn't want the ball and then when he is asking for the ball it's 2 metres away from the CBs. All the passes he plays could also play the CBs instead. All the side and back passes driving me crazy.

I am a liverpool fan for over 15 years. If I criticize Henderson for example on reddit, there are raining downvotes and comments like "you have no clue about football and tactics ".

Maybe here I can get a different view of Henderson? Do you rate him? I and my father don't rate him at all and we asking ourselves if we are don't see.
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I think this side does need to outgrow Hendo as a starter to reach its potential, but he's a good player overall. He moves the ball quickly, when he is actually facing forwards he is quite good on the ball. Goes through a lot of work defensively.

His main downside is that he is probably the least press resistant player we have. He hates turning with the ball and spends too much time in marked positions rather than daring to make himself available with an opposition player anywhere near. I get that he shapes his game around it to avoid losing the ball in iffy places but he'll need to improve in this if he wants to be a proper midfielder. No top players ever stuck to just playing the ball facing the way they received it.
 
They are doing something I've never seen a Klopp team do.
Win while not playing particularly well and being solid. They will finish a comfortable second. Could even get 90+ points.
 
Sucks that every win feels like a "we didn't lose ground on City" rather than creating seperation between us and the chasing pack. Even if I can see us winning Everton, Burnley and Bournemouth, it seems so unlikely that City will drop points at all at the moment. Of course they will, but so will we eventually, as this pace isn't sustainable over the course of a season.
 
It's still too early to tell whether Liverpool can mount a serious title challenge. They are only 3 pts above Spurs which is nothing given that Spurs have finished above Liverpool in 6 of the last 8 seasons or something. Spurs looked terrific against Chelsea and might surprise.

I expect a loss vs PSG, they are lkely to crash out of the CL imo. Their defensive stats are a bit misleading, Liverpool concede more chances than City and have already got away with several pen calls (Spurs, City, Watford...).
 
Adisa said:
They are doing something I've never seen a Klopp team do.
Win while not playing particularly well and being solid. They will finish a comfortable second. Could even get 90+ points.
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90 pts are possible but not probable if they do not improve in attack without getting worse in defence. Still, if they continue to get results till Christmas, 88-90 pts will become probable.
 
Treble said:
90 pts are possible but not probable if they do not improve in attack without getting worse in defence. Still, if they continue to get results till Christmas, 88-90 pts will become probable.
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We don't need to improve our attack if we keep this up defensively. We average exactly 2 goals per league game and average less than 0.4 goals against (second best differential in the league behind City).

It's actually more likely that Spurs, without any transfer business and almost all of their starters having played in the WC, will fizzle out sooner or later imo. Chelsea are quite a mess defensively as Spurs proved last weekend, and Arsenal are far from the finished article either. As far as I'm concerned we're comfortably the second best team in the league right now.
 
RobinLFC said:
We don't need to improve our attack if we keep this up defensively. We average exactly 2 goals per league game and average less than 0.4 goals against (second best differential in the league behind City).

It's actually more likely that Spurs, without any transfer business and almost all of their starters having played in the WC, will fizzle out sooner or later imo. Chelsea are quite a mess defensively as Spurs proved last weekend, and Arsenal are far from the finished article either. As far as I'm concerned we're comfortably the second best team in the league right now.
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I agree that you are likely to finish top 2. Hey, you can even win it. But I disagree about your defence. If pens were given for Spurs, City (Lovren on Aguero) and Watford (it was 0:0 at that point), you could have been 5-7 pts behind City and level with Spurs. You have to improve in attack because referee decisions may turn against you at some point (as against Arsenal).
 
Treble said:
I agree that you are likely to finish top 2. Hey, you can even win it. But I disagree about your defence. If pens were given for Spurs, City (Lovren on Aguero) and Watford (it was 0:0 at that point), you could have been 5-7 pts behind City and level with Spurs. You have to improve in attack because referee decisions may turn against you at some point (as against Arsenal).
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You're only factoring in decisions that went in our favour though, as you always do. We've had some calls against us as well, plus if you follow that route, Spurs-Chelsea should've been a draw since Chelsea were denied two penalties on Hazard, right? Luckily it doesn't work that way.
 
RobinLFC said:
You're only factoring in decisions that went in our favour though, as you always do. We've had some calls against us as well, plus if you follow that route, Spurs-Chelsea should've been a draw since Chelsea were denied two penalties on Hazard, right? Luckily it doesn't work that way.
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Which are those decisions that went against you though? Arsenal and? Truth is you have benefitted from referee decisions, they have helped you to stay close to City.
 
RobinLFC said:
You're only factoring in decisions that went in our favour though, as you always do. We've had some calls against us as well, plus if you follow that route, Spurs-Chelsea should've been a draw since Chelsea were denied two penalties on Hazard, right? Luckily it doesn't work that way.
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People often ignore this.
 
Treble said:
Which are those decisions that went against you though? Arsenal and? Truth is you have benefitted from referee decisions, they have helped you to stay close to City.
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You can only reflect on the games where L'pool have dropped points.

Arsenal - off-side goal
Man City - Ferdandinho should have been sent off twice, albeit post penalty shout
Chelsea - nothing stands out

Reality is that you win some you lose some. On balance, Liverpool have rode their look at times & been harshly treated in others. I suspect any honest football fan (except Mark Hughes) would find the same with reflection.
 
Treble said:
It's still too early to tell whether Liverpool can mount a serious title challenge. They are only 3 pts above Spurs which is nothing given that Spurs have finished above Liverpool in 6 of the last 8 seasons or something. Spurs looked terrific against Chelsea and might surprise.

I expect a loss vs PSG, they are lkely to crash out of the CL imo. Their defensive stats are a bit misleading, Liverpool concede more chances than City and have already got away with several pen calls (Spurs, City, Watford...).
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I think it's 7 from the last 8 and 8 from the last 10. I also think we continue to be underestimated, partly because of media hype (of which there is always a lot behind Liverpool) and the fan bias towards thinking that decisive transfer action or spending money is always going to lead to positive results.

We may fall off towards the end of the season, our players were disproportionately affected by the world Cup and subsequent lack of pre season but Poch and his teams always pick up in the second half of thr season so we'll see.

I think Liverpool will ultimately finish second but similar to thr season we finished second and Chelsea won the league with 93 points, they won't ever really get close imo. City look unstoppable.
 
Number4. said:
You can only reflect on the games where L'pool have dropped points.

Arsenal - off-side goal
Man City - Ferdandinho should have been sent off twice, albeit post penalty shout
Chelsea - nothing stands out

Reality is that you win some you lose some. On balance, Liverpool have rode their look at times & been harshly treated in others. I suspect any honest football fan (except Mark Hughes) would find the same with reflection.
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I'm sure that's a valid opinion on RAWK but this does not make it objective evidence. I remember neutrals and professionals commenting ot Lovren's fouls on Aguero and Jesus in the box but can't remember non-rawk related evidence that Fernandinho deserved to be red carded (twice!). Might be wrong though. Still Liverpool got away with two pen calls vs Spurs and Watford which might have cost them 4 pts, while the Arsenal mistake did cost them 2 pts. Overall, they've benefitted from referee decisions (including Wolves' goal against City). 2 pts difference with City flatters their performances so far.

Luck and referee decisions are part of the game though. Kudos to them that they are good enough to take advantage of those situations and make City sweat.
 
Also have to remember that Spurs always finish above Liverpool since records began, (in like 2012), so hopefully Liverpool keep winning as it will mean by default Spurs will have a great season.

;)
 
Treble said:
It's still too early to tell whether Liverpool can mount a serious title challenge. They are only 3 pts above Spurs which is nothing given that Spurs have finished above Liverpool in 6 of the last 8 seasons or something. Spurs looked terrific against Chelsea and might surprise.

I expect a loss vs PSG, they are lkely to crash out of the CL imo. Their defensive stats are a bit misleading, Liverpool concede more chances than City and have already got away with several pen calls (Spurs, City, Watford...).
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Watford was a crazy one. That was definitely one we got away with. Finally. :D
 
Treble said:
I expect a loss vs PSG, they are lkely to crash out of the CL imo. Their defensive stats are a bit misleading, Liverpool concede more chances than City and have already got away with several pen calls (Spurs, City, Watford...).
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Have you been watching the first half of the Lyon game for chances conceded?
 
Treble said:
It's still too early to tell whether Liverpool can mount a serious title challenge. They are only 3 pts above Spurs which is nothing given that Spurs have finished above Liverpool in 6 of the last 8 seasons or something. Spurs looked terrific against Chelsea and might surprise.

I expect a loss vs PSG, they are lkely to crash out of the CL imo. Their defensive stats are a bit misleading, Liverpool concede more chances than City and have already got away with several pen calls (Spurs, City, Watford...).
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How many points we are ahead of Spurs is totally irrelevant to whether we are in a title challenge or not, you seemed to have overlooked what is relevant and that is we are only 2 points behind City.
 
Briman63 said:
How many points we are ahead of Spurs is totally irrelevant to whether we are in a title challenge or not, you seemed to have overlooked what is relevant and that is we are only 20 points behind City.
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Fixed for you so you see it in Treble-vision. :)
 
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