Of course you can talk.. It's a free forum.
But it is so tiresome to read page after page with numbers, money spent, netspend, overpriced, etc., etc.
You spend, we spend. Now let's talk about some football instead
Liverpool 2018/19
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But it is so tiresome to read page after page with numbers, money spent, netspend, overpriced, etc., etc.
You spend, we spend. Now let's talk about some football instead
Agreed, now you know how we all felt when you lot were at it (including your own manager!).
Anyway enough from me. Klopp has spend enough to put himself and the club in the United, City, Chelsea bracket now. That's how he will be judged.
It all makes for an interesting season.
This reads a bit like that now the argument isn't being won - the argument doesn't need to be happening.
Although I do tend to agree with what it is that you're saying - just seems to be a bit late in the day, innit,
.Fecking hell, soon more Scouse here than United supporters.
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And... y'know how according to RAWK et al, Utd bought their 90's success. The respective purchase prices of the 1996 Cup Final teams would seem to work out at approximately Utd £ 16.5 Million & LFC £ 25 M. With Andy Cole at £ 7M & Stanley Collymore at £ 8.5 M being the recent record acquisitions there.
It must have been after that Liverpool suddenly never spent any money then?
It must have been after that Liverpool suddenly never spent any money then?
Liverpool have had a very good summer and spent well. I have no issue with a club spending money that has been generated by being a sound business, which Liverpool FC is. That’s what it should all be about..... but that’s for another thread.
From a first 11 perspective, they are probably now only behind City. Hopefully we have some more players to arrive....
From a first 11 perspective, they are probably now only behind City. Hopefully we have some more players to arrive....
The amount of money we have spent this summer is staggering. 160m /230m this calendar year is just mind boggling. Getting 12m for Danny Ward is crazy though I'm not complaining! To be fair to Klopp his signings have generally been spot on. We look to have addressed our remaining weaknesses. The next thing now is are we going to be consistent enough for a realistic title challenge.
With all of their great signings (on paper) I expect that Liverpool will finish second behind City this season and will push them all the way. United, Tottenham and Chelsea to fight out for the other two top four spots.
Pretty sure I read that in the PL era until Fergie retired, Liverpool had spent more than us on transfers.
So 13-0 on titles was good going.
I'm aware, that some supporters from other clubs including mine, have used your money to give you stick, but I am sure, that I'm not the only Liverpool fan, who never moaned about the money you have spent, og how you've spent them.This reads a bit like that now the argument isn't being won - the argument doesn't need to be happening.
Although I do tend to agree with what it is that you're saying - just seems to be a bit late in the day, innit,
I don't care how much money you spend, or how you spend it, never did. Some have more money than others. That's a fact in football, a fact in life. Why moan about stuff, that you can't change?
I accept it as a challenge. We have to be smarter than you and City, because you are wealthier than us. If we sit back, and blame the money you have for our lack of succes, we're never gonna catch up.
Actually, I think it's a bit pathetic when either your or our fans use lack of money as an excuse for not winning. We are both in or around the top of the foodchain. Other fans must think we're spoiled kids, discussing like that.
The greater the expectations, the bigger the psychological burden to perform. Liverpool won't have the psychological comfort to start from an underdog position any more.
Guess we shouldn't have signed these players Winning games is going to be so much harder now.
I think people slightly overestimate Liverpool because they look very comfortable against playing St.Pep’s City side, which has been lauded as one of the best sides ever. They’ve only scored two goals against a Utd helmed by Jose. A Milner penalty insanely given away by Pogba and a Bailly own goal.
That’s not saying they’re bad. They are a very good team. They’re spending a lot of money but that doesnt necessarily they’ll be better. If that’s true then why havent we won the league when we bought the likes of ADM, Pogba and Lukaku?
That’s not saying they’re bad. They are a very good team. They’re spending a lot of money but that doesnt necessarily they’ll be better. If that’s true then why havent we won the league when we bought the likes of ADM, Pogba and Lukaku?
My point is different though. There is a reason why United have struggled post Fergie despite having one of the most expensive squads in the world. Jose finished 6th after adding some top players to the squad in 2016. And he is a top manager, one of the very best. An important reason is that the expecations at United are huge and the pressure to live up to them is immense.
Mourinho sides are always difficult sides to score against, he’s the type of guy to stay up every night all week in his basement studying how to stop an attacking side rather than focus on how to beat a team through attacking. Granted you beat us, but you literally scored goals from two long balls and then the second balls. I’d be more impressed with us hardly scoring against you if your tactics were open rather than just putting 10 men behind the ball once you are leading.
How will they line up this season?
Subs: Henderson, Wijnaldum, Lovren, Arnold, Lallana, Karius, Robertson
Alisson
Clyne - VVD - Matip - Milner
Keita - Fabinho
Shaqiri - Mane - Salah
Firmino
Clyne - VVD - Matip - Milner
Keita - Fabinho
Shaqiri - Mane - Salah
Firmino
Subs: Henderson, Wijnaldum, Lovren, Arnold, Lallana, Karius, Robertson
Lovren and Robertson in for Matip and Milner. Shaqiri won't start in the harder games, Lallana/Henderson will start ahead of him.
I agree that there is more pressure on Man United to win things. The main reason being, that you have been so succesful. It's not the whole picture though. Winning adds pressure. But not winning adds pressure as well. How we react to that pressure depends on the players and the managers. Some thrive with pressure, and some crumble.
A clear difference between our clubs regarding pressure is, that you, the fans of Man United, are divided in your support of the manager, and we aren't. Not yet at least.
They are not dropping their captain to the bench. Unless you're adding the WC players resting, into account.
I think Liverpool will win something this season. Am I the only United fan that looks at their first team with envy? They have a decent squad with some amazing attacking players. I still don't think that they will have the consistency to win the league but they could easily win a cup comp. They can beat any team on their day and only have to turn it on for a handful of matches to win a cup.
It's going to be Robertson, Lovren and TAA as first choice Alongside VVD.
Don't think Shaqiri is a starter. I reckon keita, Fabinho and some sort of 8/10 alongside them. Certainly not mane.
Basically, we still need Fekir, with chamberlain and Lallanas injury records.
This isn't LVG. Klopp doesn't really give a flying feck about the armband. Every man and his dog got to wear it last season.
Yeah a 10 is what your squad is missing
Let's have it right at OT we should have been 4 up at half time and come the 90 minutes you hadn't had a shot on target. You were beaten very comfortably so let's not try and make out two long balls were the only difference on the day!
I think they have a good first 11 but I can't really be envious given what we have ourselves.. Pogba, Lukaku, Lingard have all had great world cups whilst Martial, Rashford, Sanchez all should be hungry and ready for the new season. Fred improves the midfield and alongside Matic should add balance. The only area we need to boost is full back and CB. That said if Dalot surprises us and things finally click with Shaw it might not be a huge issue. We also have the best GK in the world.
OK, fair enough. I still can’t see him dropping Henderson, although I don’t rate him.
I remember Mata missing a chance in the first half. The second half United did absolutely nothing. You can talk about us having no shots on target, but if we are behind and United have ten men behind the ball, we of course can’t afford to shoot at will, we have to be patient and probe, but United had ten men behind the ball and defended like their lifes depended on it. I’m not making excuses, you deserved to win, but United fans are acting like it was an utterly dominant win. Fact is, you scored from two long balls, then sat back and shut us down by allowing no space.
Yep. That will definitely be the back four, and we won't mess with the front three. If we don't get Fekir, I reckon it's Henderson or maybe Lallana in the middle alongside Keita with Fabinho behind.
Alisson
TAA - Lovren - VvD - Robertson
Fabinho
Henderson - Keita
Salah - Firmino - Mané
How many of their first 11 could get in ours? I count 3/4. Firmino, Salah, Fabinho and possibly Mane. We are definitely better defensively (mostly because of DDG) but I really respect Liverpools attack. They gel well.
It depends on the system, for example United fans would rather have Valencia as RB, but I’d have Trent Alexandre simply because Valencia is useless going forward, Trent is brilliant at going forward. Trent, Robertson, Van Djik, Keita, Salah, Mane, Firmino would easily get into your side, but again it depends on the managers and their preferred system, but I’m assuming we are talking about player ability.
I think our first 11's a comparable in quality. DdG, VvD, Pogba, Salah, Mané would walk into either side. The rest is debatable imo.
They are a serious, serious threat to the throne this season. I never thought I’d see them go from strength to strength in my lifetime
If United did absolutely nothing what did Liverpool do?!
And there was no last ditch defending. It was a very easy win for us. As I say, De Gea didn't have a save to make.
You're all terrified of Liverpool. You like their manager, players, transfer strategy, and even their kit more than you like United. Just go and be Liverpool fans, stop living in denial.I don't think Firmino or Fabinho especially when the latter is unproven in the PL. Matic it's hard to replace here. I don't see Firmino removing Lukaku either however I think Robertson and VVD would get game time at United along with Salah and Mane.
Keita? He's not kicked a ball in the PL. That's like me saying Fred would easily get into your side. Nonsense.
Trent and Firmino wouldn't walk into the United side either. Trent is a good prospect but Valencia currently a better player. Firmino wouldn't dislodge Lukaku either let's be honest.
That's a much more balanced view.
Agreed. Some here are truly pathetic creatures.
Salah, mane, Firmino, VVD would have a great chance. Their 2 new CM would have a good chance too - need to see them in the league first though
The crowd at Old Trafford were on edge from the moment Bailly scored the own goal, if your performance was as dominant as you suggest, your fans wouldn’t of been a nervous wreck for the majority of the second half.
It seems all of your posts are extremely subjective as opposed to being based on any actual facts.
It's difficult to engage with someone of such character.
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