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Lisandro Martinez | Signs for United
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Feels like we are looking for someone who can play both positions rather than 2 separate players, might be a different story if we didn't have other issues at RB, CM (for now) RW & ST
Nice shrewd business, also eliminating any United tax
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We've recently gazumped clubs with very mixed results. Fred Sanchez and Ronaldo all spring to mind, it’s not a new strategy. Scouting board and actual team situation don’t seem to align. Let’s hope everyone is on the same page here this season. I’d be happy to let Arsenal have this lad at this price I have to say. 2 Dutch players and an ex Ajax free transfer is enough Dutch influence for one window.
No, actual midfielders and players that excel in their positions are more necessary than anything. We are getting 5 players this window, we could've gotten 3 midfielders for less than the combined price of what we're spending on De Jong, Martinez, and Malacia. This isn't an issue of budget, it's an issue of priorities. The quoted price for Lisandro Martinez is 50m euros, at least. We can get a centre midfielder for that money. Like say, someone like Bissouma.
Why would the guy requesting Martinez get him to play in midfield, when the man has been playing Martinez as a centreback at Ajax for more than 2 years now? He has always been a centreback. He only ever played as a DM because Ajax lost their DM (Frenkie De Jong) and they needed someone to fill in for the position, but that was a one time thing. He's been a CB before that, and has been ever since after that as well. This is like saying ten Hag might be getting De Jong to play as a CB because De Jong filled in as a CB for Ajax for half a season when they were short on players. It's ridiculous. Also you need to watch a few of Martinez's games, he doesn't have the skillset to play as a centre midfielder. And in case it wasn't clear enough already, the deepest lying midfielder and "DM" for ten Hag's team will be De Jong.
I'm loving this strategy
"We have accepted a bid of 40 million"
"Will you accept our bid of 41 million?"
"Deal"
35 millions. Take it or leave it.
Would people be happy with this guy, Malacia and De Jong as our summer signings? I think i’ll be absolutely delighted. Antony would top it all off but I doubt we’ll sign two from Ajax. I’m not really fussed on Eriksen joining
Yup forgot about Eriksen
I think that's a 7/10 window.
Any window without signing any forwards would be a failure.
My prediction is United will try to have FDJ and Malacia tied up before we set off on tour. Try to have Lisandro and Eriksen sorted midway through pre-season. Then fully focus on moving players on and then go big on Antony on transfer deadline day.
No. We have to sign at least 1attacker, 2 if Martial leaves.
What if we just keep Amad in the squad
Eriksen, De Jong and (imo) Martinez makes for 3 midfielders in a single window, 2 of whom that can vacate midfield entirely and play in other areas of the pitch, which makes for an eclectic, versatile set, but also an entire starting midfield on a different occasion; as I said previously, we are not in the position where we can get dedicated specialists across the board, yet. That comes after we have some semblance of a foundation to work with
Because Ajax and Manchester United do not have the same needs and weaknesses. Ajax had a functional, padded out midfield, we do not. You can't apply situational information that varies wildly from one club to another - if we had a full set of decent to good midfielders to choose from, Martinez being discussed as a DM doesn't enter the equation, or certainly isn't a worthwhile topic. As it stands, we have not one player to perform in that role, which makes it a dire need of ours which must be addressed.
It's not like saying anything of the sort though, is it? Martinez doing a job in midfield isn't an outrageous statement; his skills are interchangeable he also reads the game well enough is tenacious and provides tactical flexibility in a plethora of ways from the position. De Jong is deep, yes, but deep-lying playmaker with complete licence to roam, make mistakes and get caught upfield as a matter of course with what he is attempting to do (knit play with combination football) is not the same as a sitter who is there to cover precisely all the times things don't work out for De Jong.
A big bid will only materialize if we move the right players on that Hag deems not good or suitable enough, while simultaneously getting good fees.
We're so lacking in quality forward players. Ronaldo, Sancho and then you're dealing with Rashford and Martial who're both horrendously out of form and then the inexperience of youth.
We need players ready now. Amad isn't there.
Exactly. There is loads of talent there. Might not feel it's necessary to overpay £70 million for Antony.
I personally would rather give one of our lads a chance.
Antony might not be ready for the premier league yet, who knows if he will hit the ground running.
I'm gonna have to go with EtH on this one.
€70m for him is a joke. More to ward us off than what they think he's worth, I think.
We ain't paying 70 mill for Antony nor should we.
Ask yourself why Ten Hag would want Eriksen? If we get him, I'm expecting us to play Bruno as one of the front three. That leaves us with Ronaldo, Sancho, Bruno, Rashford, Martial, Elanga, Garnacho and Amad for three positions. It's not the strongest, but given the problems we have elsewhere, I wouldn't be surprised if we accept that depth going into this season. Ideally, we'd move Martial on and upgrade him, but it doesn't seem realistic.
De Jong will play as the deepest midfielder, with Garner as his understudy. That leaves Van de Beek, Fred, McTominay, hopefully Eriksen, and potentially Bruno when necessary, for the other two midfield positions.
I think Malacia is an opportunistic signing to rotate with Shaw. We need another centre back and an upgrade at right back to be priority now, but I'm guessing we'd need to move Wan Bissaka and Bailly/Jones/Tuanzebe on. I'd like to see Ten Hag work with the latter personally.
I can understand why we're going after the cheaper Martinez for that centre back slot, and potentially looking for an upgrade at right back too. But I'd much rather spend all of our remaining budget on De Ligt, if it'll stretch that far, or just go for Timber as we can use his versatility.
De Jong will play as the deepest midfielder, with Garner as his understudy. That leaves Van de Beek, Fred, McTominay, hopefully Eriksen, and potentially Bruno when necessary, for the other two midfield positions.
I think Malacia is an opportunistic signing to rotate with Shaw. We need another centre back and an upgrade at right back to be priority now, but I'm guessing we'd need to move Wan Bissaka and Bailly/Jones/Tuanzebe on. I'd like to see Ten Hag work with the latter personally.
I can understand why we're going after the cheaper Martinez for that centre back slot, and potentially looking for an upgrade at right back too. But I'd much rather spend all of our remaining budget on De Ligt, if it'll stretch that far, or just go for Timber as we can use his versatility.
Just concerned about where he would play
Maybe but can we wait until nearly September for Antony is the big question
Starting to get a bit nervous with these signings.
Is it possible that Ten Hag came in, was appalled by the lack of preparation / proposals for new players by the scouting department, said “feck it, I’m going to get players I know” and has gone for De Jong (who doesn’t want to leave Barca), Malacia (cheap so it doesn’t matter anyway) and Martinez, who is pretty damn short for a CB and is awful in the air?
On one hand, I like that Ten Hag seems to be taking control. On the other, are we missing out on signings from other leagues because Ten Hag has been in the Eredivise and doesn’t have knowledge of other leagues players? Does that mean in the next windows, he’ll have better knowledge of the PL and Europa teams and we’ll be raiding those leagues next?
The counter to this is that Martinez is going to play DM alongside Frenkie, Malacia is for depth and we’re still going to offload and add a RB or an attacker.
Is it possible that Ten Hag came in, was appalled by the lack of preparation / proposals for new players by the scouting department, said “feck it, I’m going to get players I know” and has gone for De Jong (who doesn’t want to leave Barca), Malacia (cheap so it doesn’t matter anyway) and Martinez, who is pretty damn short for a CB and is awful in the air?
On one hand, I like that Ten Hag seems to be taking control. On the other, are we missing out on signings from other leagues because Ten Hag has been in the Eredivise and doesn’t have knowledge of other leagues players? Does that mean in the next windows, he’ll have better knowledge of the PL and Europa teams and we’ll be raiding those leagues next?
The counter to this is that Martinez is going to play DM alongside Frenkie, Malacia is for depth and we’re still going to offload and add a RB or an attacker.
Get this guy, eriksen, de Jong, malacia and a right winger and that wouldn’t be bad business for ten hags first window. I always thought it would be timber we got though out of anyone from Ajax.. timber would give us a cb that can play rb where as Martinez would give us a cb that can play DM. We desperately need both positions but we’ll only get one I think unless we sell players on.
Still doesn't seem any noise about a RB, in terms of attacker think we are all in on Antony
Yeah frustrating as it is we are definitely going to have to compromise on RB/CDM
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