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There is already some serious meltdowns going on on their forum. The abuse amongst muppets it’s quality.If messi stays I would love some bluemoon meltdown .
There is already some serious meltdowns going on on their forum. The abuse amongst muppets it’s quality.If messi stays I would love some bluemoon meltdown .
Oh I agree they shouldn’t let him go on a free. The reports are saying they want 700m and are refusing to negotiate anything else. Like you say he wants to leave and 100m fee is a good solution for Barcelona. That’s 150m including wages gained. Throwing that away for another 10 months of unhappy Messi is stupid and would be putting Bartomeu’s political motivations of not being the one to sell Messi ahead of the club.Agreed that they should let him go BUT it doesn’t make sense for them to let him leave for free which is what Messi and his dad are requesting. Rightly so, why should Barca let their biggest asset ever leave for free.
Barca would possibly let him go if a realistic fee of around £100m was offered but that is not on the table as city are unable to do any deal if there is a large fee involved.
They've really shown themselves to be very small time in my eyes with those whole charade. Their best ever player has given his whole career service to that club and they show their gratefulness by forcing him to stay when he wants a new scenary? Yeh the optics of that are coming off as small time.All this winning and losing talk seems bizarre to me. He's a legend of your club and at 33, it's understandable he might want one last change of scenery/sporting project. Sit down and work it out between yourselves. Or am I being naive and underestimating how much of a circus this pompous and self righteous club is?
He can't stay there forever.
He wanted a move, more control or the board to quit.He wins if he gets exactly what he wanted sure? Which clearly was a board change and to stay at Barca?
I hope the drama continues for as long as possible which should disrupt city's plan for the summer. Ideally this case goes to court and ends up with barca winning and messi staying. That would be a mess .
They've really shown themselves to be very small time in my eyes with those whole charade. Their best ever player has given his whole career service to that club and they show their gratefulness by forcing him to stay when he wants a new scenary? Yeh the optics of that are coming off as small time.
Seemingly they got lucky they got one of the top 5 best players of all time and used that to gain a massive trophy haul in that period
they probably did, over 5 years its not a lot relatively speaking.. sheikhs reallHas City really offered 700M euros over 5 years?
thing is now, a a rebuild costs major money, if they do make money from a messi sale, every other club will want premium prices, just the way Liverpool mugged them with coutinho after they sold neymar- ironic though, considering barca played a part in overpaying for players.Im far from anything pro Barca but look at it from Barcas point of view. They probably dont see it as them forcing Messi to stay, they are expecting him to honour the terms of his contract.
Rewarding Messi for being their greatest ever player by letting him go for free/low price thus ensuring they slide deeper in to the shit seems counter productive to me. (Personally think they should and completley rebuild but will they accept the short term pain?)
they probably did, over 5 years its not a lot relatively speaking.. sheikhs reall
thing is now, a a rebuild costs major money, if they do make money from a messi sale, every other club will want premium prices, just the way Liverpool mugged them with coutinho after they sold neymar- ironic though, considering barca played a part in overpaying for players.
how many players will 150-200m will buy? adding that they need more than 1-2 players... thye just dont have the finances..and i think messi realised that the ships sinking so off he went..
It's really not going to disrupt our transfer plans.
The plan going into the transfer window would have been a central defender (or two), a Sane replacement and maybe a left back. We've done two of those already.
Then, a couple of weeks ago, there arises the possibility of Messi signing for us. The club would be mad to not even consider the idea! However, as it really isn't a priority for us, if it doesn't come off then we've lost nothing at all. There's also no reason whatsoever that a potential Messi deal would impact on any other possible signings.
Your PSG vs. ManCity evaluation makes no sense whatsoever in a "quality of club management" comparison. The fact that the PL is a more difficult to achieving championship (which it clearly is) has no relevance in the context if PSG has done worse or better than ManCity, because no matter what, they can`t compete in England. So the only metric available is to compare their success in relation to their domnestic counterparts andI'd argue that 199 points in two back to back EPL seasons is a greater achievement than winning the French league and making it to the final by beating Dortmund, Atalanta and Leipzig in the knockout stages - actually, it's much more impressive. Yes, PSG didn't have the chance to replicate that since they don't play in the EPL but as it stands, they bought Neymar and Mbappe and only achieved things they would've achieved regardless. So yeah, among the 3 or 4 top spenders among clubs, City has done best. You keep saying "it's all down to money" when this proves it is obviously not the case but suggests they've been managed better than the other 3. And again, the fact that there are clubs that are successful without such expenditures doesn't mean that City is managed worse. I gave you the example of Dortmund which stole two league titles and one cup from Bayern during a phase in which they made the CL final 3 out of 4 years. Does that mean that Bayern wasn't well run during that time? Of course they were, they implemented a philosophy in their club, pursued a long term vision and operated accordingly.
You keep saying "it's all down to money" which is obviously and undeniably wrong since there are other clubs which had expenditures in similar stratospheres which weren't nearly as successful by doing so. If it actually was all down to money, then they would've been able to buy the same kind of success City had - yet they didn't. Suggesting that City doesn't act differently to the others is also factually wrong. To this date, City's record transfer is KdB with 76m. They didn't participate in the transfer madness that saw supposed world class talents move for 100+m. Ultimately, that was Barcelona's downfall and PSG also has a very imbalanced squad in which Neymar and Mbappe play alongside Choupo-fecking-Moting and Thilo Kehrer. That's bad resource allocation. Also City had a vision from the very beginning of Begiristain's appointment. They wanted to ingrain Barcelona's philosophy into their club, play the same brand of football and bought accordingly. Can you sincerely claim that this is true for United, Barcelona or PSG? Actually I'd say there are only two top clubs in the EPL which have such a clear idea of how they want to play and which kind of players they need: City and Liverpool. City is one of the very few clubs that understood that this shared philosophy is the facilitator of great football and ensures that the sum of a team becomes greater than the sum of it's parts. That's what's innovative for me. You may say that it isn't but should be the basics for every top club out there but unfortunately, most still prefer to gather a number of good individuals and hope they work out together.
Money is the enabler but if it isn't spent wisely it leads to nothing.
I mean, stuff like this has parody vibes. They don`t need a shared philosophy to ensure a sum of a team if the sum of it`s parts is already Europe`s most expensive assembled squad by transfer costs. But I guess it`s great advise for football managers not to buy a player for 150m but three squad players for 50m each, cause that`s innovation and shows that your success is not down to money.City is one of the very few clubs that understood that this shared philosophy is the facilitator of great football and ensures that the sum of a team becomes greater than the sum of it's parts.
I guess he was afraid of Stoke on a cold Tuesday night
What a puss.. Knew he wouldn't have the balls to try a new league out. Go continue to dominante one of the easiest & lopsided leagues in football.
What ? I thinks its been entertaining.This was so feckin boring from the moment it occurred.
I dunno, just knew the way this was heading from the start, just felt it was much of a muchness.What ? I thinks its been entertaining.
Also,we dont exactly want Messi signing for City,do we.
Oh for sure. From the outside it certainly looks like Messi has Barca wrapped around his little finger.I dunno, just knew the way this was heading from the start, just felt it was much of a muchness.
Needless Distraction.
I think he’s a complete Cnut for what he’s done as well. I’m not comparing the player but remember the shite Rooney got for threatening to switch teams, this guy has taken it to the extreme.
No player should drag his team through the mire like this, let alone a club legend. Regardless of his stance on the board. Get back in your box Leo lad!
I dunno, just knew the way this was heading from the start, just felt it was much of a muchness.
Needless Distraction.
I think he’s a complete Cnut for what he’s done as well. I’m not comparing the player but remember the shite Rooney got for threatening to switch teams, this guy has taken it to the extreme.
No player should drag his team through the mire like this, let alone a club legend. Regardless of his stance on the board. Get back in your box Leo lad!
What a puss.. Knew he wouldn't have the balls to try a new league out. Go continue to dominante one of the easiest & lopsided leagues in football.
What a puss.. Knew he wouldn't have the balls to try a new league out. Go continue to dominante one of the easiest & lopsided leagues in football.
Im far from anything pro Barca but look at it from Barcas point of view. They probably dont see it as them forcing Messi to stay, they are expecting him to honour the terms of his contract.
Rewarding Messi for being their greatest ever player by letting him go for free/low price thus ensuring they slide deeper in to the shit seems counter productive to me. (Personally think they should and completley rebuild but will they accept the short term pain?)
The interviewer reminds me of Gil out of the Simpsons.fecking hell. The interviewer can't wear a mask properly is the key takeaway.
Bechler says Messi will respond to La Liga's statement about his 700M clause today. Really hope it finally moves in one direction or another.So when do we either get announcement Messi has commenced legal proceedings against Barcelona to enforce his contract clause or that he's staying?
Aren't any other options here I think.