Lionel Messi
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dumb take, going from the biggest club from one country to the next is overrated. And Messi just won a trophy with Argentina, this myth that he can only perform with Barca needs to die. And Ronaldo is a poacher (and a hell of a goal scorer) whereas Messi is the system. You really think Messi would struggle at man city or psg or which ever massive club? The whole “did it in different leagues” is the most idiotic take of all time. Beckham, and ibra also did it. It’s not that big of a deal. You play on enough big teams you’ll get trophies by default. Especially when you’re big enough they’ll have the team play around you anyway.
This is so ridiculous that all you can do is laugh
How can a player dominate a tournament to this extent?This is so ridiculous that all you can do is laugh
People will say it was due to weak competition
Mental. It's why Messi's greatness goes beyond mere goals. Extraordinary footballer.
Madness isn’t it? What a farmers cupThis is so ridiculous that all you can do is laugh
How?
EDIT: this last sentence. So by that critieria Paolo Maldini isn't true great, since you know, he never left his comfort zone?
sarcasm?
Must have thought he was in the Euro thread
haha yeah cuz if he was serious it was a pretty moronic take
Well you can, because Messi has been the best player at a World Cup and twice now at a Copa America. Ronaldo has never been the best player at any international tournament (which is something that you can’t say about any other top 10-15 player, apart from maybe DiStefano, and there were mitigating circumstances with him).
He’s scored a lot of goals but a large percentage of them have been in qualifying against minnows. Only 3 of his 100+ goals have come in the knockout stages of a major international tournament. So while you have to give him credit in amassing the overall numbers, it’s clear to see that he’s been found wanting in critical games at the highest level.
It's not really a myth if you win your first international trophy at 34 years of age.
Good for him that he finally won a Copa America with Argentina, but it was long, long overdue and isn't really impressive for the 'greatest player in human history' who is supposed to move mountains with his mind.
it is when he’s taken the team to 5 finals. Ronaldo had just as many goals in NT finals as Messi does.
not a myth at all
It seems like for some posters, Messi winning the Copa actually somehow diminished him in their eyes, not made him greater.
Chile has won more Copa Americas than Argentina during Messi's career. Completely embarrassing.
The same Chile that knocked out Portugal, even moe embrassing. Messi >>>> Ronaldo, and no other player in history has owned Madrid more than Messi.
your comments here are embarrassing
Exactly. How can people claim Ronaldo has been better than Messi internationally when Messi has been awarded the best player 3 times at an international tournament and Ronaldo hasn't, even in the year Portugal won the Euros?
To emphasise this, Ronaldo has scored the most international goals against: Andorra, Hungary, Lithuania, Luxembourg and Sweden. Meanwhile Messi's are: Brazil, Chile, Ecuador, Paraguay and Uruguay. And there are people in this thread acting as if Messi only topped all performance metrics in the Copa because of quality?
Exactly. How can people claim Ronaldo has been better than Messi internationally when Messi has been awarded the best player 3 times at an international tournament and Ronaldo hasn't, even in the year Portugal won the Euros?
To emphasise this, Ronaldo has scored the most international goals against: Andorra, Hungary, Lithuania, Luxembourg and Sweden. Meanwhile Messi's are: Brazil, Chile, Ecuador, Paraguay and Uruguay. And there are people in this thread acting as if Messi only topped all performance metrics in the Copa because of quality?
That is what the CR7 50cents army is good at. They will make everyone debate on goals, and just goals. Why?
Because Messi outclasses CR7 in most other attacking aspects of the game.
They will also try to paint the narrative that CR7 also has great dribbling, passing etc, which belonged to his exciting version United last 2 seasons and RM first 2 seasons, when he was closest to Messi in terms of most attacking aspect.
They want everyone to believe that CR7 has been performing at that “beyond goals” level for his entire career, when it has only been 4 at most 5 seasons.
These are the same people who do not hestitate in breaking down R9 career into his GOAT level pre injury and great level post injury. The hyprocrisy
Only simpletons equate performances only with trophies to try and make an argument on that basis in what is a team sport. Makes sense that you'd close this post with a reference to the myth of individual footballers being magicians who can do things people like to pretend they do.
tbf most Ronaldo fanboys don't actually watch football matches, they simply check sofascore and similar sites, so no wonder they don't find Messi's performance at Copa impressive. the truth is, they rarely watch football in general, let alone Messi's matches. I mean, they're probably still wondering how the feck tournament's Golden Boot has no place in the tournament's first 11, which just happened to Ronnie. they simply can't grasp the idea of player scoring a goal, but STILL being underwhelming and forgettable for majority of game(s). just like they can't grasp the idea of a player playing excellent, yet still not scoring/winning in the end. you can't learn that on sofascore so no point in using the "performance" argument in discussions with them.
Ronaldo is better than Messi. How can anyone compare a poxy Copa to the Euros?
Only thing that annoys me about the Copa is how often it takes place. That's were Euro's seem more special.
It's(Euros) far more prestigious. Brazil used to play their reserve team in the Copa. And now that Ronaldo 7 - lite has become a winner, we're supposed to consider him to be an all time great.
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Exactly. How can people claim Ronaldo has been better than Messi internationally when Messi has been awarded the best player 3 times at an international tournament and Ronaldo hasn't, even in the year Portugal won the Euros?
To emphasise this, Ronaldo has scored the most international goals against: Andorra, Hungary, Lithuania, Luxembourg and Sweden. Meanwhile Messi's are: Brazil, Chile, Ecuador, Paraguay and Uruguay. And there are people in this thread acting as if Messi only topped all performance metrics in the Copa because of quality?
Player of the tournament in 3 major tournaments is obviously insane. This last one was the most dominant yet; to be the first player in history to lead a major tournament in goals, assists, winning the player of the tournament in the process (not to mention leading all the other statistical categories) is outrageous.
It isn't just the fact that he won the Copa; it's how he won it.
Cristiano would run rings around the likes of Bolivia. It's not even a debate. He's better than Messi.
You're a wum and a shit one tbh, but since you've been here for ages everything goes with mods, pathetic really.
This is the Messi thread. You're free to discuss your fantasies in the Cristiano Ronaldo thread.
Messi is streaks ahead of Ronaldo. Take away goals, which Messi has a better goals per game ratio anyway, and Messi is a much more complete footballer. Better assist creation, better dribbling, better creative passing, better vision, better long passing, better free kicks, better at take ons, better close control etc.
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Messi needs to play in all time great teams to shine. C Ronaldo 7 not so much.
Those stats are insane.
I would love to see him win the world cup next year.
Still think he's a greedy money hungry gowl.
I would love to see him win the world cup next year.
Still think he's a greedy money hungry gowl.
I am not even surprised at those stats.
He is so far above every player in world football.
He is so far above every player in world football.
Those stats are laughably good.
Glad you admit so.
Still waiting for explanation on your previous post about Messi not being all time great since he's never left his comfort zone. I've given you Maldini as an example, but didn't get the answer, since you've been preoccupied with wumming.
If Messi had played his whole career for stokes, being the exact same player season for season he was for Barca, would he be a worse player?
Obviously not. It probably would mean he wouldn't have won a single title in his career and he most likely would have less scorers but he still would be the very same individual. So if we're comparing individuals, it is completely dumb to include team achievements. It's basically a confession that you have no clue about the sport. I mean, in the end, you're confronted with the task of assuming the quality of a player and the best you can think of is how many trophies he has won? That's like choosing the best actor based on his Academy Awards count.
It doesn't matter if the CA or the EC has a higher average level. It really doesn't matter one iota.
Obviously not. It probably would mean he wouldn't have won a single title in his career and he most likely would have less scorers but he still would be the very same individual. So if we're comparing individuals, it is completely dumb to include team achievements. It's basically a confession that you have no clue about the sport. I mean, in the end, you're confronted with the task of assuming the quality of a player and the best you can think of is how many trophies he has won? That's like choosing the best actor based on his Academy Awards count.
It doesn't matter if the CA or the EC has a higher average level. It really doesn't matter one iota.
Ronaldo great, Messi greatest. 