He's simply too good
Can only dream that he wants to come to the Premiership one day
Can only dream that he wants to come to the Premiership one day
Lionel Messi
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Brilliant goals - he certainly turned up the heat after a rather anonymous first half.
Ronaldo is not playing until tomorrow?
who??????
im talking about the great Leo Messi.
Currently he is. Totally right.
BUT the Golden ball is for Ronaldo for all what he has done last season and the trophies he got.
Messi is doing things no other player in the world is doing right now. I think it's unquestionable that he's the greatest player in the world at the moment
Still not a domestic and European champion like Ronaldo is though eh
if Messi is healthy for the rest of the season theres no doubt he will winn the individual awards next season the kid is unbelievable.
What a game he had tonight. This guy can truly dominate games. It won't be long, he'll have his share of european/world player of the year titles alright.
He had a run last season in which he scored 10+ goals in 8 matches orsomething, before he got injured which is the only thing that seems to be holding him back.
How many goals, assists and dominating performances has he had this season? Doing great in CL as well as in la liga...
He had a run last season in which he scored 10+ goals in 8 matches orsomething, before he got injured which is the only thing that seems to be holding him back.
How many goals, assists and dominating performances has he had this season? Doing great in CL as well as in la liga...
Great performance and this should put to bed the theory that he has less freedom than Ronaldo. He was popping up everywhere for Barca in that second half.
The only footballer who can surpass the levels of Zidane and Ronaldo if he's not already there by now.
Very fortunate to see him play
Very fortunate to see him play
Only this season under Guardiola, under Rijkaard they were more structured.
Messi is doing things no other player in the world is doing right now. I think it's unquestionable that he's the greatest player in the world at the moment
Still not a domestic and European champion like Ronaldo is though eh
Bang on.
Didn't he win a medal back in 2006? He played some games in the run to the final of the champions league
I assume these are latest stats because the wiki has just been modified, Messi has 15 goals in 17 games this season so far. 15 bloody goals and it's not even December - and they start later over there too!!! 9 assists for what its worth, though that tells you bugger all really. He's responsible for creating a damn site more goals than that
58 in 127 career goals for Barca. Ronaldo is 101 in 253. Which shows 2 things. One that Messi has spent a long time more injured than Ronaldo given they've both been playing first team footy for about 5 years. But also that they score at pretty similar rates, and Messi is actually ahead overall. Both are getting more and more ridiculously prolific. But all those who keep banging on about 42 goals proving Ronaldo is the better player, should perhaps stop and think about it...
58 in 127 career goals for Barca. Ronaldo is 101 in 253. Which shows 2 things. One that Messi has spent a long time more injured than Ronaldo given they've both been playing first team footy for about 5 years. But also that they score at pretty similar rates, and Messi is actually ahead overall. Both are getting more and more ridiculously prolific. But all those who keep banging on about 42 goals proving Ronaldo is the better player, should perhaps stop and think about it...
Maradona was proved to have taken ephedrine for the 1994 world cup.
Did he take it for the 1986 too?
Great player, yes, but a proven drugs cheat - his record means nothing to me.
If you're a literate its easy to figure out what ephedrine was all about.
Maradona took drugs that eventually destroyed his career, not steriods to beef himself up. Better hurl your knives at Del Piero, Fat Ronaldo and Zidane, it could carry more sense.
Back in the 94 WC when drug testing was started by the FIFA it was agreed two players randomly from every team should come forward volunatarily for the drug test and Maradona stepped in by his own choice than being forced. Apparently the nasal drops he took to contain cold and flu had ephedrine content that resulted in getting him kicked out of the world cup.
I can still remember cheering him against Greece and Nigeria but was disappoined for not finding him after I turned on the TV midway through their match against Bulgaria only to find out later the worst has happenned.
Shut your mouth ffs. He has a lot of way to go in order to get to that level.
Zidane and Ronaldo won World Cups on their own, If Messi can do that then we can talk about comparing them.
Messi is fantastic, there is no doubt about that but let's not get stupid please.
I'm not sure what you mean by literate but I can tell you that ephedrine is a stimulant, of similar formula to amphetamine. You may have noticed that almost every drugs cheat ever caught has come up with a "reasonable" excuse. If you don't believe me then believe Fifa, who sent him home. Those corrupt bastards would hardly have removed their biggest superstar unless they had to.
Zidane never won a world cup on his own,other than scoring two goals in the final in 98 he was basically average the rest of the tournament.
he played better in the WC 2006 than he did in 98.
Maradona was the only player you could say won a tournament on his own.
Whatever i told you is not my line of story but the info published on magazines when he got banned. Had he been guilty there is no reason he would've stepped forward for a drug test, and ephedrine is also an antibiotic for cold and flu. The Argentine physio himself said he was unaware as there was no clear documentation provided by FIFA on the anti drug campaign that was imposed only a month before the tournament started.
Pele and his cronies were already shifted their tents to America long before the cup started. I can remember in Colorado they carried the cup in a caravan and posed for pictures with the common public banged on every other trumphet to promote the sport. The brazilian clique was on full flow and the likes of Romario, Bebeto, Rai, Bergkamp, Baresi, Klinsmaan and Baggio were projected as the stars not Maradona.
Maradona already got crocked up after his first 13 month ban by Fifa in '91 and he made his comeback against Australia in the play offs, played only four matches before he got banned.
To be fair Rivaldo played a major part in Brazil's success that year, even Ronaldo came out a recognised that.
But I see what you mean, Messi does have to win the World Cup to be compared with them two.
But he certainley has the talent to do it.
In terms of achievements he has a long way to go, its really a no brainer.
In terms of ability he's already there.
Also Zidane and Ronaldo never won world cups on their own.
You believe drugs tests were only carried on volunteers and are impressed by the fact that he was defended by the Argentine physio?
I am beginning to feel guilty, like I'm telling a child there's no Santa Claus.
Jesus Christ some of the comments in this thread are laughable. Messi is fantastic, yes, but can someone remind me what Barcelona have actually managed to win over the past two years with him in the team and on top form?
Oh yeh, that's right. feck all. How 'bout Argentina? Nope, the same.
He's a long way to go yet before he's remembered amongst the all-time greats, although he's certainly looking like he might be. That's if he can stay injury-free for more than ten minutes though.
Oh yeh, that's right. feck all. How 'bout Argentina? Nope, the same.
He's a long way to go yet before he's remembered amongst the all-time greats, although he's certainly looking like he might be. That's if he can stay injury-free for more than ten minutes though.
You're missing the point here. It was the first time Fifa conducted drug tests of its kind and as per their rule two players from each team should voluntarily step up. For every other team two players nominated themselves and for Argentina it was Maradona and Bilbo who voluntered.
The Argentine physio line can be ignored but had Maradona been guilty he would not have bothered to step unless the entire Argentine team were on fluids. Even had he needed drugs he would've opted for a refined brand than choosing epidhrene.
Makes you wonder why they sent him home then, doesn't it?
As a literate man read about other drugs cheats in other sports, what drugs they took, and what excuses they used, it becomes a depressing pattern.
Spot on. The second, utterly marvelous goal was indicative of freedom not restriction.
Zidane also didn't win the world cup on his own, in fact, if it wasn't for his 2 headers in the finals, he would've hardly been remembered as France's hero in 98. Messi has got the potential to be as great as Zizou and Ronaldo de lima, there's no question about that, but he's far from it atm, the same with our Ronnie.
Spot on.
You´re seriously overrating Zidane´s performances in the 98 world cup, he was poor for most of the tournament. to begin with he was sent off in the 2nd group game and missed the last group game and the round of 16 because of that, the quarter final against Italy was a dreadful game of football and he didn´t do much there and in the semis against Croatia the French team was pretty much shite apart from Thuram. He was fantastic in the final but because of that final people have started saying he won the tournament on his own. He didn´t, he wasn´t even France´s best player. He was better in 2006, but to me his best major tournament was Euro 2000, where he was incredible.
Ronaldo was fantastic in 2002 but that was a great team, he didn´t win it on his own. In fact I´d say Rivaldo was their best player in that tournament, he played some fantastic football and a lot of Ronaldo´s goals came from his assists. I think his performances have been underrated because of how he embarrassed himself in the first game. Actually his whole career has been damaged because of that incident which is a shame because he was a fantastic player.
I think it´s impossible to win a world cup on your own tbh, even in 86, while Argentina wouldn´t have won it without Maradona they had a very good team.
Well I wouldnt say Argentian had a very good team in 86, if there's no Maradona.
... not yet!
Messi has to score 42 goals in 1 season at least for me to consider him the best in the world ... Ronaldo did that last season ... unbelievable for a winger!!! Sure Messi is not a striker too, but he is an attacker, and I think his goal scoring and assists should at least match Ronaldo's.
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Ronaldo is the best at the moment on paper IMO.
Messi has to score 42 goals in 1 season at least for me to consider him the best in the world ... Ronaldo did that last season ... unbelievable for a winger!!! Sure Messi is not a striker too, but he is an attacker, and I think his goal scoring and assists should at least match Ronaldo's.
Messi stats:
Ronaldo stats:
Ronaldo is the best at the moment on paper IMO.
Nonsense. Ronaldo is a decidedly inferior player both at the moment and consistently when Messi is fit. By a decent margin.
Based solely upon their respective performances against Chelsea, Messi to me has seemed far more frightening in only the couple of games he has played against us whereas Ronaldo hasn't struck me that same fear.
However even though Messi can turn it on when he wants to, Ronaldo will work hard and work hard and work hard every game you play which is to me the decider between the two, it is for that same reason why many percieve Pele to hold the World's greatest player title because he seemingly went on forever and kept scoring at a stuperb rate which Ronaldo threatens to do.
However even though Messi can turn it on when he wants to, Ronaldo will work hard and work hard and work hard every game you play which is to me the decider between the two, it is for that same reason why many percieve Pele to hold the World's greatest player title because he seemingly went on forever and kept scoring at a stuperb rate which Ronaldo threatens to do.
What's your reasoning?
Ronaldo's a smarter player ... you don't just score 42 goals out of nowhere ... you have to figure out where it's going and get in the right places with off the ball movement ...
He doesn't just dive to cheat aswell ... he dives b/c
1. he gets free kicks and
2. it keeps players away from him so they won't break his legs. He knows everyone wants to break his legs. see the game against Villareal last week? They all wanted to stud-tackle him ...
Anyways ... I think Ronaldo is more useful as a player. He's tall, he's quick, he can play left/right wing, or attacker or central midfield ... he's got a good head too ... he's got dead-ball/free kick skills aswell ... more unpredictable and useful for a manager IMO. Messi can run fast and all ... but one-dimensional ...
Ronaldo is coming off an injury that most people thought would have him out even a few weeks further, yet still has popped up with loads of goals.
You bring up fitness in regards to Messi, what if that is his one and only flaw, certainly seems it atm. THere is no doubt he has a better footballing ability card than Ronaldo, who closely follows him amongst him behind amongst active players. Fat Ronaldo doesnt count as he is in lala land
athlethsim wise
ronaldo>messi
pure football class
messi>ronaldo
ronaldo>messi
pure football class
messi>ronaldo
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