Lionel Messi
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You were arguing Messi is a better AM than Ronaldo, and I've made a valid argument that Ronaldo would be better at a number of positions than Messi.
It still doesn't change the fact that both are best as forwards.
I'm not talking about how many positions they can play but which one has more attributes as an overall player to hurt a team, and that has to be Messi in my opinion of course.
no point talking about goal keeping when you can tell they'll both be shite at it
However, Ronaldo could be a great defender, he certainly has the physique.
Only thing is that no one will be stupid enough to play him as a defender as he's so great as a forward.
Anyway, like I said earlier, let's just see how this season pans out.
The Messi wank*est could be over in a few weeks if Arsenal somehow pull it off (which I don't think they will).
persoanlly I think Messi is going to love going up against Arsenal's defence, they have looked shocking at times this season, but we'll see if Wenger has a plan to stop him
Not this season tbf. Ronaldo has been creating loads and working had. Unfortunately for him he has the likes of Benzema wasting his passes upfront. Honestly this season thus far there's been little to separate them. Things will get even better for Ronaldo now that Adebayor and Kaka are in the starting 11.
This year its the one who will bag the most team trophies between that will bag world player of the year. Because individually both players have been something else.
I used to think you were quite boring, but now you're actually fairly entertaining. You do know that 06/07 was like, er, half a decade ago?
It's not even relevant!
Messi has been better this year, and anyone who has watched the two and has a clue about football knows it. He's been more productive, a better team player, less wasteful, more efficient and has been more involved in not only midfield play, but also build up in the final third. To add to that, he's not any more reliant on Xavi and Iniesta (which is such a ridiculous notion in the first place) than Ronaldo is on, say, Di Maria and, in particular, Mesut Ozil, who is responsible for a bucket load of Ronaldo's goals.
Messi is better, and has been better this season. I know it, you know it, everyone on here knows it, the vast majority of the footballing population knows it and even Ronaldo himself is probably aware of it.
Carry on though - it's amusing.
The Messi wank*est will go on for the rest of Messi's career because most people realize they are watching one of the best players to have graced the game.
To be fair to Ronaldo, he could have just kept on dominating the league in England and that 'titles' bit that decides it would have usually come down to just the CL. But he's taken a fair bit of risk by going to Madrid because clearly he's at a bit of a disadvantage.
isn't there another thread where stupid shit like 'ronaldo could be a great defender' is supposed to go as the good vs evil debate takes yet another bizarre twist?
Very True
Ronaldo has been sensational at times but I don't think he's been as consistent in general play as Messi who's performances seem to be on repeat every game.
Take away Ronaldo's goals, which is an ridiculous suggestion as it pretty much decides games I agree, I don't think his general play has been better than Ozil on the same team so far.
Wait!! Why are we discussing Ronaldo here?
Damn derailers!
Damn derailers!
To be fair, it's not true.
He has improved, but he has never been as good as Messi in the build up or creating chances for others. He's good, capable of great in the buildup and creative department. Messi is simply amazing in those departments.
It's not even a contest.
Rather what is not true is the idea that Messi has been so far ahead this season that its 'no contest''. That's typical fan boy talk rather than anything that has actually happened this season.
There is distance between the two, but it's not like we're comparing Ronaldo and Heskey.
Obviously though, they can be quite easily seperated.
Obviously though, they can be quite easily seperated.
Really? We all know Ronaldo can dive, massive frame, good ball control, kicks with either foot, good reflexes? He has all the ingredients to be our next number 1.
And who better to send up for corners when you desperately need a goal in the 90th minute?
I think you should send Sir Alex a fax and tell him that you've just solved our GK conondrum ahead of next season!
I'm going to fecking spaz out on you mongle trons in a minute.
HOW MANY TIMES. THERE IS A THREAD FOR THIS YOU BASTARDS.
I don't understand. Is it something to do with talking exclusively about Messi and Ronaldo and positions they play in, as a forward, winger, attacking midfielder, even a goalfeckingkeeper that turns you lot into half-bred, visually-impaired, stat-mongering, gigantic cock-jugglers?
Use the correct thread before I go mental on your god damn accounts.
HOW MANY TIMES. THERE IS A THREAD FOR THIS YOU BASTARDS.
I don't understand. Is it something to do with talking exclusively about Messi and Ronaldo and positions they play in, as a forward, winger, attacking midfielder, even a goalfeckingkeeper that turns you lot into half-bred, visually-impaired, stat-mongering, gigantic cock-jugglers?
Use the correct thread before I go mental on your god damn accounts.
I concur with this.
Both Messi's dribble end in more assists than Ronaldos endless amounts of flopped shots. And he's in the build up for other goals a lot more than Ronaldo is too, so that's an abysmal comparison really.
I ain't downplaying how good Ronaldo is, any other era and he'd be top dog, unfortunately, he plays in the Messi era.
Couldn't do it on a cold night in London.
Has he scored on British soil yet?
He has become unplayable. Terrific terrific player and easily the very best and most consistent (on the basis of the past two and a half years)
deny Lionel Messi at your peril
people would end up looking as stupid as they did last year
people would end up looking as stupid as they did last year
if you think Messi is only about goals you're missing everything
it's the least part of his game I'm impressed with
so youare not impressed with his goal scoring ?
I'm impressed but it's just the iceing on the cake for me
that's how superior his all round game is
if he's not scoring he'll hurt you in other ways
yesterday was his 20th assist of the season
Answer my question. Rather than avoiding it by claiming I think this or that about Messi.
I just find it strange if it is true that he hasn't done so yet. The same way I find it strange that Ronaldo has never scored a team Messi has lined up in. Those a are strange things for men who score at the rate those 2 do.
Do you also find it false, seeing as that's bullshít?
Well Inter did it and did it quite well. In fact he was virtually useless for two whole games.
Is it? Kindly remind me when Ronaldo scored a team with Messi in it.
this is retarded
before Ronaldo went to Spain he had never scored against a Spanish team so people said he would struggle in LaLiga
at the end of the day Messi is just not about goals as he shown that last night, he doesn't have to score to hurt a team
last year when the match finished 2-2 a the emirates
some of the same faces I'm seeing now were saying Messi is ovverated ans useless etc
3 weeks later they were silent
silent waiting for the next time he will slip up
they will be silent again
pulling out their hair waiting for the next time he slips up
it's a never ending cycle, but that's what happens when you're the best by FAR
I'm not saying Messi is overrated, simply that he can be stopped. We saw tonight that he's struggling because he keeps getting played over and over again. Thats almost 3 full games in less then a week.
Any player can be stopped
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