Pass completion rate, percentage of attacking passes, plus actually watching players play rather than merely worshipping them like they were gods every time they get near a ball.
Lionel Messi
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marcos, if you really think the amount of assists a player gets constitutes how good a passer he is, then there's no point continuing this conversation, it's absolute lunacy to suggest that's the case.
Nani has not played more than 3 times as many games as Scholes.
you are clearly on a wum here
Good point, I'm out of here.
pass completion rate means nothing, most of xavi passes are to iniesta, pedro or messi, but they are not the dificult passes. the kind of passes that makes you think that hes
good
and assist are attacking passes
if you take mascheranos completion passes, you'll see he has around 90 percent, only becaise he always passes the ball to a player that's less than 6 feet away
as i said, what proves you are a good passes are the assists, because those are the diffucult passes. the one that every defender is waiting and care to stop
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and assist are attacking passes
if you take mascheranos completion passes, you'll see he has around 90 percent, only becaise he always passes the ball to a player that's less than 6 feet away
as i said, what proves you are a good passes are the assists, because those are the diffucult passes. the one that every defender is waiting and care to stop
Seriously, you have to be on a WUM, that's just such a diabolical way of looking at football if you're not.
So Nani is the best passer in the Premier League, ok.
Equating Mascherano's passing to Xavi's???
why im on a wum?
The question is reasonable, if nani gave 6 assist in 30 games, while schoes gave 4 in 10, i don't think nani can be viewed as a better passer than scholes
Indeed. Man he even puts both Scholes and Xavi to utter shame
Equating Mascherano's passing to Xavi's???
if you read that post carefully you'll see i'm not equalizing them, quite the contrary
i'm saying that passing completion rate doesn't prove you are a better passer
Nani: P 16(1) - 11 assists
Scholes: P 13(4) - 3 assists
Nani is a better passer than Scholes according to your logic.
Seriously, you have to be on a WUM, that's just such a diabolical way of looking at football if you're not.
yes, i see football in a diabolical way, while you get bored watching barcelona
btw, im on a wum, so you may leave this thread as you previously said
Scholes doesnt play as advanced anymore. Key passes are a more accurate measurement, or through balls.
Messi has the most of these too surprisingly.
Messi has the most of these too surprisingly.
Sometimes assists are just easy passes to the side too and many times the pass that opens the defense is the pass to the guy who then makes the last pass for another player to score.
i only claimed that goals assist are important to see if a player is a good passer
why is that so ridiculous?
Assists are a very misleading stat.
and pass completion not?
In the Barca team, not only Messi, but Alves, Pedro and Villa are all better passers than Xavi (according to Marcos' logic).
Wonder how Xavi gets rated so highly if all he does is make sideways passes...
Wonder how Xavi gets rated so highly if all he does is make sideways passes...
You claimed that Messi is a better passer than Xavi based on very similar stats, so you must also think Nani is a better passer than Scholes.
Afterall, Xavi & Scholes play in similar positions and as does Messi & Nani (albeit Nani not as far forward).
How long before someone comes here and says Messi is the best header in world football?
I think FV has already said before that Messi's heading is under-rated, all based on that one goal he scored in Rome.
That too. I don't like stats. You can watch a match and come to a conclusion on these matters.
i didn't say that messi is a better passer than xavi, i just posted the statistics about each player's goal assist
this all started when ICTR claimed that messi wasn't in xavi's league,
while i think messi is in that league
now kill me for thinking messis passing is as good as xavis, call me a wum, say my looks on football are diabolical
My conclusion for the day:
Now that Messi is trailing by 5 goals in the race to the Pichichi Trophy, all the Messi fanbois have decided to come up with some imaginative way of praising him to high heavens.
So, as of this week, not only is he a great goalscorer, he's also become by far the best passer in La Liga due to the number of assists he has. By comparison, the likes of Xavi & Iniesta are awful passers because they don't even have a handful of assists between them.
Intriguing...
Now that Messi is trailing by 5 goals in the race to the Pichichi Trophy, all the Messi fanbois have decided to come up with some imaginative way of praising him to high heavens.
So, as of this week, not only is he a great goalscorer, he's also become by far the best passer in La Liga due to the number of assists he has. By comparison, the likes of Xavi & Iniesta are awful passers because they don't even have a handful of assists between them.
Intriguing...
is it that ridiculous to claim that messis passing is as good as xavis?
I think it's a fair claim. If Messi weren't a terrific goalscorer, we'd be appreciating him mostly as a dribbling playmaker and he'd still be in with a very good shout for being the best player in the world at that.
Yet, there seems to be no shortage of people who will claim someone like C.Ronaldo is better as soon as he leads the goal charts by a goal or two. They will then inevitably try to justify this based on what kind of goals they score and are capable of scoring.
Completely overlooking the fact that while a player like Ronaldo is a brilliant goalscorer who is also good with the ball at his feet, Messi is both brilliant goalscorer and terrific playmaking creator. You simply have to factor in more facets to his game when evaluating a player like him.
I think the massive amount of goal he scores has overshadowed his contributions to the team besides goals in many people's mind. And that would very accurately translate into "Messi's passing = underrated.
I should add, I only saw this post after writing my own. But it makes for a wonderful charicature of what I just outlined. thanks, cal.
You're entitled to your opinion, just as other people are entitled to disagree.
Messi is a great goalscorer and probably the best dribbler in the world right now, but the best passer in the world (which I think Xavi is)? I don't think so...
It's difficult to compare Xavi and Messi's passing ability on the basis that their position and role on the pitch is different. Messi's strength is that of playing the killer ball, where as Xavi is more known for dictating the game. Saying that, Messi's ball retention is also exceptional, just as Xavi is capable of playing some incredible defence splitting passes.
I think Xavi's the better passer, but Messi is an excellent passer of the ball. His vision is outrageous.
I think Xavi's the better passer, but Messi is an excellent passer of the ball. His vision is outrageous.
i'm not messis fanboy
i rate ronaldo better, although i think barcelona is the best team today
btw, it is really annoying when you talk about a player to be called his fanboy
what's the poing of arguing then? if you talk good about a manchester united player you are talking with the red tinted specs, it you talk good about a player that doesnt play for us, either you are a fanboi or a wum
seriously, the football threads are becoming more and more annoying, and that's mostly because we discuss about the poster instead about his opinion
That's all very well, also at the same time completely ignoring the fact it'd be much much easier to create goals for the likes of Villa compared to the rather hapless Benzema.
Im convinced.
Now do you have some video of him making some tackles?
I want to claim hes the best tackler in world football.
Agree with that. Messi is still some way off being able to run games the way Xavi does, but then again, it's not his role in the team to do that.
Iniesta, tbh, flatters to deceive. I should probably qualify that by saying he is probably a top six player in the world, is perhaps the most enjoyable player in the world to watch when on song and could go on to become the very best.
But for someone so gifted and so highly rated as well, his end product is frankly disappointing. Like Messi, he is more forward thinking than Xavi. He should be scoring more and should be way up higher in the assist charts.
Someone claimed the other day he was already better than the likes of Laudrup. They are similar types, but Laudrup, although also not a gifted ngoalscorer, always topped the assist charts and singlehandledly made Zamorano topscorer in la liga in addition to being the creative fulcrum of the team.
There is no doubt that Barcelona are the better team right now.
I didn't come up with the term fanboi, it seems anyone who doesn't think the sun shines out of Messi's ***** is a Ronaldo fanboi according to the likes of FV (who certainly is a Messi fanboi).
Where does that question come from?
I was pointing to Cal? that whoever claims Messi's heading is under-rated doesn't do it just because of one goal. He his a good header of the ball, possibly as good as someone of his height can be. If he's underrated or not it's subjective...
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