If people write him off then frankly they should be banned from watching football ever again
Lionel Messi - Performances
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If people write him off then frankly they should be banned from watching football ever again
Worst performance from Messi ever. Weird
Still the best player in the world, by far.
Indeed. He may have been rubbish last night but then so were the rest of Barcelona and there is only so many times that an individual can bail out a team.He won't be able to go on forever though and how that is handled by him and Barcelona will be fascinating to see. Mutually parting ways or a Rooney like situation where he is undroppable despite being rubbish?
He won't be able to go on forever though and how that is handled by him and Barcelona will be fascinating to see. Mutually parting ways or a Rooney like situation where he is undroppable despite being rubbish?
He will be capable of several moments of brilliance on a pitch until he decides himself to retire.
The whole Barcelona team was so poor that it was impossible for one player to be even decent.
He was awful, but everyone in a Barca shirt (apart from Neymar) were nothing short of atrocious. Normal service will be resumed next game I have no doubt at all, and I wouldn't be surprised if Barca hit PSG for 3 or 4 in the return leg and make a tie of it!
For his unreal standards that was a terrible performance and he'd probably be the first to admit it. Barca were just not there last night, PSG nullified them and played well.
I used to say that the only way you can beat Barca is if they are playing shit and you are at your best. Last night was the case.
I used to say that the only way you can beat Barca is if they are playing shit and you are at your best. Last night was the case.
Don't think anyone is writing him off - that would be foolish. How many seasons ago was it that people were writing him off after a bad patch? I think it was when stats showed that Valdes covered more ground in 90 minutes than Messi did. Messi bounced back pretty good!
I think it was Valdes covered more ground than Zlatan but IIRC Zlatan was subbed off at half time.
That is impossible IMHO. They can score but no way they won't concede
I wouldn't say Barcelona beating any top club by 3 or 4 goals is impossible... Its Barcelona.
This Barcelona isn't the Barcelona that we got used to, the one that destroyed top teams. They're very weak at the moment, their spanish league form is a proof of that and their defeat to PSG isn't a surprise. You cannot do it up to a certain level when your midfielder are playing terribly like this and they receive no help from a lazy front 3.
What made them so good (the MSN) is their major problem right now, their team is not playing coherently.
If PSG score 1 goal then Barcelona need score 6 goals to go through. If PSG score 2 goals then Barcelona have to score 8 goals, and so on... so the odds are stacked against them.
Uhm no that's not how it works. 6-1, 7-2, 8-3 all sees Barcelona go through (not that it will happen, mind).
I'm pretty sure an away goal is worth 2 goals
Yeah, you're right, but according to the article below, he only covered 6,8 km in a match, a little more than Pinto in goal with 5,3 km.
http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/l...o-only-a-little-more-than-keeper-pinto-5-3km/
Zlatan is a little suprising as he seems to cover a lot of ground for United - that's actually one of his attributes that surprises me the most, the effort and workload he puts in.
Cant believe the whole 'away goals count twice' is still misleading people, it only matters if the goal differential is equal in the first place. A better way to describe the rule is "In case that the score differential is the same the team that has scored more away goals goes through".
Dammit, you're supposed to go along with the myth, we do this every year...
I actually did suspect it but one can never be sure on this board.They can get away with Carrying him against weaker teams, but I think we've seen in big matches it's either Messi up front or not at all.
He lacks any desire to defend and when losing the ball he rarely chases it back. His ego is showing unfortunately.
He seems to have lost quite a bit of speed too, a lot of times he would have danced away from some of the tackles he was losing the ball from last night. It's a shame but everybody regresses eventually. I think they need to perhaps drop Iniesta and play Rakitic instead. have 2 work horses covering for Messi.
He lacks any desire to defend and when losing the ball he rarely chases it back. His ego is showing unfortunately.
He seems to have lost quite a bit of speed too, a lot of times he would have danced away from some of the tackles he was losing the ball from last night. It's a shame but everybody regresses eventually. I think they need to perhaps drop Iniesta and play Rakitic instead. have 2 work horses covering for Messi.
Messi belongs to Barcelona and he will finish his career at his boyhood club Newell's Old boys. He's a great players and has given the best throughout his career. It is absolutely insane to compare Messi and Ronaldo, they have had tough roads throughout their careers and have proved to be the best. Messi is completely loving it at Barcelona and always has. Although Enrique might be gone at the end of this season with just Copa Del Rey trophy to play for, i still think MSN has a good future for at least the next 2 seasons.
Messi was not one of my favourites but i have grown to like him, he's a force to be reckoned with. He's always lively on the pitch, creates some of the most audacious chances, dribbles like God, THAT FIRST FIRST (OH MY GOD), he's one of the best and will stay with Barcelona!
Messi was not one of my favourites but i have grown to like him, he's a force to be reckoned with. He's always lively on the pitch, creates some of the most audacious chances, dribbles like God, THAT FIRST FIRST (OH MY GOD), he's one of the best and will stay with Barcelona!
Yeah I expect Enrique to go at the end of the season.
Barca have been fairly off form all season and a result like this was probably in the works.
Barca have been fairly off form all season and a result like this was probably in the works.
This.
But I do think Barca need to start thinking of a life without him. 700k per week?, nah they will regret it if they sign him to that.
There's no need to be so defensive about him and if you believe he really is the greatest he should come back from this eventually, although I wouldn't expect Barcelona to actually come back from 4-0 deficit against PSG. Also of the front three I think Neymar was definitely the best of the three, although he also faded away every time PSG scored, and not to say Suárez was on fire being the best of their front three. So I don't agree with this rewriting of story as to suggest Messi has been carrying the team all this seasons with Neymay and Suárez being passengers and trying to deflect blame for him when the team, and him as well, performs awful.
Also I think if Andre Gomés is playing so much this season despite being garbage is because he's better going up front than defending and he tends to occupy the space Messi leaves (the right flank) when he goes to wander around the center of the pitch. When the game was still even Gom´s had some good approaches cutting in from the right (the position I would expect Messi to occupy) and not to mention Sergi Roberto would barely go upfront because of the fear of getting murdered by Draxler. So I don't think Messi should be sold as he can still excel as a playmaker but they still require better tactics and a manager who can get the best out of him.
Also I think if Andre Gomés is playing so much this season despite being garbage is because he's better going up front than defending and he tends to occupy the space Messi leaves (the right flank) when he goes to wander around the center of the pitch. When the game was still even Gom´s had some good approaches cutting in from the right (the position I would expect Messi to occupy) and not to mention Sergi Roberto would barely go upfront because of the fear of getting murdered by Draxler. So I don't think Messi should be sold as he can still excel as a playmaker but they still require better tactics and a manager who can get the best out of him.
laziest player ever
Even the greatest of players (like Messi) have off days where just about nothing goes for them but the lack of effort/desire from Messi was shocking. Tbf, he always does have a calm demeanor and a taciturn disposition but it isn't exactly the first time this has happened either. He seemed (being the key word here as we can never really know what's going on inside one's head) equally disinterested against Atletico in a crunch Champions league fixture a few seasons back, and just ran seven km in that match apparently. Not exactly questioning his desire or attitude as he won't be where he is or have achieved what he has without being driven and ambitious, but he should have done much better in terms of application imo.
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I'm not his biggest fan but people have a weird way of overrating to a bad performance. In 38 games played this season he has 37 goals and 15 assists and although his overall game slighty declined from his peak, he is still pretty much the same Messi. 1 or a couple of bad performances won't change that.
Eventually his decline is going to be alot bigger and he is going to have to adapt but 1 bad game is just 1 bad game. There's really no need to take things out of proportion.
Eventually his decline is going to be alot bigger and he is going to have to adapt but 1 bad game is just 1 bad game. There's really no need to take things out of proportion.
Watching all these world class managers finding the PL hard just emphasizes the fact that Messi would struggle to keep the level of performance that is expected of him these days.
This myth needs to end, he has made a mockery out of the best the Premier League has to offer multiple times, he would walk all over this league. He has scored 4 past Arsenal, made Vidic and Ferdinand look like pub players in the '11 Final, nutmegged the whole City team and their staff.
Premier League is so overrated tbh, Chelsea are walking the league and are nowhere near the quality of some Spanish teams. His stats for this season are astronomical, one bad game doesn't change that fact.
No it does not need to be ended.
The myth that the premier league is no where near as intensive as the other leagues needs to be ended. Sure Messi has done it against the biggest clubs in England but their is just so much depth to this league that a team like Chelsea who is walking the league will draw against Burnley.
There is hardly anything of the sort that consistently happens in the Spanish league & all of this effects the form, the practice, the fitness levels of Barcelona, Real Madrid & Bayern Munich, Juventus who can walk through 3/4 of their league. Whilst here the relegation battles have a very decent chance catching the league leaders off guard.
All these master class players are shadows of their former selves consistently upon arriving here - together with these masterclass managers struggling.. The myth needs ending that Messi is living a tough life.
Barcelona drew to Real Betis a couple weeks ago, lost to Celta Vigo a little while before that, lost to Alaves before that too.
The other poster was spot on, you say that players struggle here, yet the likes of Silva, Mata, Aguero, Torres, Sanchez and countless others have all come here and immediately improved upon their goal and assists ratio.
The reason that the likes of Barca and Madrid post massive point tallies is because they're the best teams in the world, if they were in the prem they'd walk it just as easy and anyone who watches both leagues will tell you that.
The gap between the clubs isn't as big simply because the teams in England aren't as good as the other European giants, hence our absolutely disgraceful record in European competitions over the past few years. The Premier League is the most competitive and exciting league in the world because the teams just aren't as good, simple as.
Players like Fabregas, Sanchez, Ozil just to name a few were outcasts in Spain only to become some of the best players in the league. Coutinho was a benchwarmer in the Italian league ffs only to become arguably the best midfielder in the league on form. Bailly was relatively unknown and has taken like a duck to water in the league. The fact that you think Messi wouldn't be able to dominate Burnley is laughable and not even worth discussing.
The Premier League being some mystical competition that is so tough to thrive in is nonsense and needs to stop even being discussed, Messi would walk all over this league.
People that have no idea the basic rules of football must be not allowed to post in the main forum. Please admin do something.
Why are people saying one bad game like he's never played poorly before? For as long as i can remember he's been poor in the vast majority of ties that Barca have been knocked out in, in the CL for the past 8 years or so.