Hmm, where did I say that they have?
Lionel Messi - Performances
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Hmm, where did I say that they have?
Messi enjoyed his goalscoring peak at false #9 (Suarez outscores him now), and Cristiano is a specialised wide forward (furthest forward in his team). It's not black and white, but it's a general rule and they aren't really exceptions.
Pele, Robbie Keane, Drogba, Henry, van Persie, Rush didn't play regularly up front for their countries..?
I think I was a bit vague but I meant differently.
Henry and van Persie for example would have spent a lot of time wide left as opposed to outright leading the line since they were good enough there. Messi I'm not sure about, but bearing in mind the sort of players Argentina have had I'd guess he has spent more time across the attacking midfield positions than as a central forward too.
The best player I've ever seen.
And people will say he didn't play today. And they will blame him for todays defeat.
Messi was against Chile, against AFA...
And people will say he didn't play today. And they will blame him for todays defeat.
Messi was against Chile, against AFA...
Nobody would doubt he was the greatest ever if not for fecking Higuain.
Never had an attachment to international football so I don't really hold his so-called 'failures' (such as dragging an imbalanced team with a mediocre at best manager to three second place finishes) against him. The undisputed GOAT for me.
Higuain have ruined all the finals of 2014 world cup, 2015 copa, 2016 copa and ronaldo fanboys will blame messi for missing that pk.
It's surreal, how can someone bottle so much? Add the missed PK that caused them to miss CL as well.
Why are people blaming Higuain? Messi's been a complete non factor in 3 straight finals & missed a decisive penalty. If you're the best ever you have to perform in the big games, rather than pass blame onto others.
Messi had over an hour to impact the game tonight and failed badly, that's not Higuian's fault. You fanboys are absurd.
Messi had over an hour to impact the game tonight and failed badly, that's not Higuian's fault. You fanboys are absurd.
Completely disagree with this
He played well in this Final, giving Argentina their best chance with Aguero's saved header
He played decently in 2015, arguably he only was a non factor in 2014
People are blaming Higuain because he constantly bottles chances during big matches, it's not even a Messi defense mechanism anymore
Yes, absurd to blame the striker who missed a golden one on one chance with the keeper in a match which ended 0-0. Absurd, indeed.
I am a Ronaldo fan but I thought he had a good game today. Really the final could have gone either way.
No one knows whether any of these goals would have been enough, there's no 'golden goal' rule anymore. It's not always the other people who are solely to blame for your own short comings. I believe that Messi could have done more, in some moments he acted quite egoistically, should have passed it to his team mate(s) instead of going for the 'glory shot' all by himself.
Furthermore calling people [insert name] fanboys is getting boring. Just because you're criticizing a player doesn't mean that there's no logic behind it.
He's shit at penalties sometimes
If you're Messi, you want to win and you see your teammates are missing sitters, shooting balls to the sky...you may act egoistically.
MEssi was very good I thought, however, everyone will remember the missed pk instead... Maradona going to ripped them apart tonight
I think today shows that Barcelona really is a great team in general, not just Messi.
I think today shows that Barcelona really is a great team in general, not just Messi.
Messi is definitely player of the tournament, and he played decent in final too, but let's face it his penalty miss in penalty shootout is really bad. Sadly people will remember his penalty miss and his failure of winning yet again another final for Argentina, more so than his overall performance in the game.
Someone point out how and when he acted egotistically. All I saw was a player frustrated because his team wasn't capitalizing on their chances. Everyone has those moments, but Messi's get magnified because it's part of the media's "He's not a leader" narrative against him.
Messi and Pique are the constants on that team. Alves and Puyol's gone, Busquets' form fluctuates, Iniesta isn't what he used to be, Neymar and Suarez only arrived now, they won a CL without Masche, Henry, Eto'o and Toure all gone...
Messi and Pique are the constants on that team. Alves and Puyol's gone, Busquets' form fluctuates, Iniesta isn't what he used to be, Neymar and Suarez only arrived now, they won a CL without Masche, Henry, Eto'o and Toure all gone...
non-factor tonight ?!! wow!!
Speaking a bit against myself here, I think it's unfair to compare him to Maradona. People expect Messi to carry the dreams of an entire nation on his shoulders but it's not in his nature to do so. I know technically the similarities exist but there's where they end as well. Messi's personality is of a quiet kid that shines on the shadow of a true leader. He is out of his confort zone like this, as much as he tries to adapt.
Maradona El Pibe wasn't just about skill. He had the aura of a true hero, and luck, of course, that Messi didn't have tonight. It seems all went perfectly for him like in a movie. Pact with the devil perhaps?
I think both would work beautifully together in the same team.
Maradona El Pibe wasn't just about skill. He had the aura of a true hero, and luck, of course, that Messi didn't have tonight. It seems all went perfectly for him like in a movie. Pact with the devil perhaps?
I think both would work beautifully together in the same team.
It's fanboy behaviour when you pin the blame on one player but excuse Messi who skied a crucial penalty.
And no he did not have a great game at all. A great game was Hazard's performance last night. All Messi did was run into blind alleys & give the ball away for 90 minutes + extra time. He was uncharacteristically selfish & barely created any chances for his teammates.
You're blind if you thought he led by example tonight. Trying to go 1 v 11, putting his shirt over his head after missing his pen etc Argentina were dreadful & their only great chance came from an unforced defensive mistake, played like a team of individuals.
And no he did not have a great game at all. A great game was Hazard's performance last night. All Messi did was run into blind alleys & give the ball away for 90 minutes + extra time. He was uncharacteristically selfish & barely created any chances for his teammates.
You're blind if you thought he led by example tonight. Trying to go 1 v 11, putting his shirt over his head after missing his pen etc Argentina were dreadful & their only great chance came from an unforced defensive mistake, played like a team of individuals.
he's the greatest. mickey mouse cups have no bearing on his legacy.
Blind people see others as blind people and think they are normal.
To be fair, in most scenarios we're talking about 'one sitter per game and it's only been one specific player. So no need to choose wayward shooting from ridiculous angles, taking on too many players at the same time and direct free-kicks over rehearsed combinations. Messi himself messed it up from time to time, so is there really need to point fingers? Raising eyebrows, imo.
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LMFAOOOO amazing post
No one's excusing him for the pen? We can not excuse him and still blame Higuain for choking three straight years. It's not impossible.
All Messi did was run into blind alleys & give the ball away for 90 minutes + extra time
uncharacteristically selfish & barely created any chances for his teammates.
Must be watching a different game then.
When did he do this?
He's not allowed to be gutted now huh? What a weak minded individual
Yes, absolutely nothing to do with their manager.
LMFAOOOO amazing post
No one's excusing him for the pen? We can not excuse him and still blame Higuain for choking three straight years. It's not impossible.
All Messi did was run into blind alleys & give the ball away for 90 minutes + extra time
uncharacteristically selfish & barely created any chances for his teammates.
Must be watching a different game then.
When did he do this?
He's not allowed to be gutted now huh? What a weak minded individual
Yes, absolutely nothing to do with their manager.
World cup is a mickey mouse cup. I don't give a shit about it.
He also sent himself off vs Brasil making an idiotic foul and we lost like 3-0 in 1982. He also has never won a Copa America.
He also had Burruchaga who scored in the final of 1986, and had Passarella who scored in a playoff against Peru. If it wasn't for that goal, Argentina would've been out (yes out) of the 1986 world cup.
Bunch of drama queens on here.
Lionel Andrés "Leo" Messi does not own anything to the people of Argentina, well according to his lawyer.
Lionel Andrés "Leo" Messi does not own anything to the people of Argentina, well according to his lawyer.
are people simply going to ignore the fact that Maradona cheated his way to the world cup? Yeah, let's just ignore that bit. lol.
Or the fact that he played against stiffs compared to modern footballers.
Football has moved on leaps and bounds since 1982.
Or the fact that he played against stiffs compared to modern footballers.
Football has moved on leaps and bounds since 1982.
Being an Argentinian who do you think was the better player between the two?
But that's the beauty of it. Football is more than just stats and efficiency, or at least it used to be.
He couldn't create or score one goal against a ten man Chile side where the referee was trying to hold his hand and be his best friend?
I dont think he played badly at all this match, but you can still see the pressure to do everything by himself on his shoulder. Really felt bad for the guy, you can tell he wants it almost too much.
Bottled it. Missed chances. Missed his penalty. Didnt produce for his national side when it mattered.
Breaking: Messi quits playing for Argentina.
Oh shit.