Reading this forum over the years and noticed that one of the biggest complaints you guys have had is how your club keeps around so many average players. To give one of those average players £100k a week is strange. I could be wrong, but I'm not even sure some of our better players at Chelsea are on that much.
It would have been like us giving Mikel 100k a week.
Chelsea have convinced Ruben Loftus-Cheek to commit his future to the club by doubling his salary and making the midfielder a series of promises over first-team opportunities.
Academy graduate Loftus-Cheek has signed a new five-year contract that could see the 20-year-old earn upwards of £60,000-a-week at Stamford Bridge.
I think his missus will have something to say as well as she has 2 kids just started school/nurseryHe won't (except China), that's true. It depends 100% on what Rooney himself wants. I think there might be a couple of interested clubs, but he'd have to lower his wage demands to the level of a player he is. As almost always when transferring to a smaller/less rich club, especially at that age/stage of career.
I think its fair to say that Chelsea and City compete financially with us. They lose, but they compete, and the wages they pay their players aren't completely different from ours. They're, at the very least, in a close enough ball park that the likes of Kante will go there even if Chelsea offer lower wages than us. I'm yet to see any suggestion that overpaying has led to a competitive advantage for us. To me, I think all it has done is foster a sense of complacency amongst the players.
I think his missus will have something to say as well as she has 2 kids just started school/nursery
Well there you go. So why did you say no other club would pay the sort of money that we do?
a- if De Laurentiis and Galliani were making stupid points then so do I
b- He would start in most lower end EPL sides. However none of them will be ready to match his 120k a week. Young on the other hand would be stupid to take a pay cut to play for West Brom
c- As said Im referring to squad players like Lingard being paid 100k a week
Man United aren't struggling financially in the slightest. Since you pay footballers with money, we're all good.
They are making different points than you are. They made a point to say that they wanted the player but didn't get the player due to us refusing to sell or player being injured. Last summer I don't think we had any plans of letting Fellaini go. Milan tried and failed. It's wrong to say that he would have moved if he was paid 50k or so.
You specifically said Young was crap in your previous post and now you backtrack to say that he will start but he won't get this wage? That's not a big find. Pretty sure most players moving down the league would not get the same wage. He would still easily get close to 80k. Jonjo Shelvey gets that at Newcastle. Young is a more useful player
As said above the likes of park used to get high wages for being a squad player too.
a- United refused selling on both counts and guess what? I agree with them. I don't rate Fellaini but we shouldn't handle him over for next to nothing especially since I am pretty sure he would have returned after the 1 year loan was over
b- He's crap for the salary he's been paid for. Happy now?
c- Park was 5 times the player Lingard is.
Really, who gives a feck whether he earns 100k or 200k or 50k?
As Jose rightly pointed out, people are just jealous. He deserves what the club thinks he deserves.
The club is in a far far better position to make that call than people on redcafe.
If Lingard does well then would people enjoy it more if he did it on 50k a week than 100k? No. Or if the answer is yes you're a fecking weirdo.
And how exactly do you figure this out?
Lingard signs new contract.
Redcafe is worried we wouldn't be able to shift him on. Classic.
And now Trump and brexit compared to Lingard signing a new contract. Ffs
A truly dark day in the history of Manchester United, it must be said. I tossed and turned in my bed for the entire night unable to shake this off my mind. All I could see was Jesse garlanded with money while Pedro looked on enviously surrounded by his multiple champions league trophies with a sad expression on his face. I just don't see how I can continue cheering his goals knowing fully well that he fleeces the club on a weekly basis. Had he been earning only 60k a week I might have been convinced to get up from my armchair and wave my arms in elation.
Entirely untrue.
You don't half chat some complete rubbish.
This is precisely the problem. Reward players for getting us back to the top not missing out on the top 4 every year.Rather than a culture of competitiveness and aspiration, it's a culture of high reward for low achievement, and before you know it, you're 6th.
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I've no idea what it all means, except the 'fancius breakfastum' bit, chief.The bits in bold are complete nonsense. I swear you've been watching different games to me. Numpty.
a- United refused selling on both counts and guess what? I agree with them. I don't rate Fellaini but we shouldn't handle him over for next to nothing especially since I am pretty sure he would have returned after the 1 year loan was over
b- He's crap for the salary he's been paid for. Happy now?
c- Park was 5 times the player Lingard is.
I've no idea what it all means, except the 'fancius breakfastum' bit, chief.
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Just the paltry 6 million in wages over those years.Hasn't he been on 25k/w for something like 6 years? Or something similar I thought I read?
I thought it was genuinely absurd that people who are so obsessed with wage parity that they weren't going into bat non stop for Lingard who was a first team player on such a paltry wage.
Now his wage is over the top. I guess nobody can win.
I'm happy for him that he signed a new deal and look forward to watching his future unfold.
But it was an unnecessary gamble, was he going to put in a transfer request if offered a double your money 50 k, with enhancements for goals/appearances?So if the headline had been that we've just bought a young England international with PL experience and some matchwinning goals to his name, would people be so critical? Now if we added that his total cost, transfer fee + wages, would be £15m, rising to £20m with bonuses, we'd think it was a very reasonable option for the club.
Now throw in the fact we're low on club trained and homegrown players, the contract renewal makes sense, for us and him. It's a gamble, so are all signings and all contracts. We're making a commitment to him based on what the manager thinks he will do. That's what we do every time we sign a player.
He hasn't played much, because when he has played he hasn't been much good.You keep mentioning that statistic. Here's another one. He creates chances at the second highest rate (every 36 minutes) of everyone in our squad. He is also the only player to score in both of our last two cup finals.
I think those ratings are close to the mark, especially for the big fan favourite Pogba.We've been garbage at finishing chances. We've missed more "big chances" than any other team in the league. In terms of creating chances we're right up there. More chances created than City, Arsenal or Chelsea (with games in hand over the only teams ahead of us, Spurs and Liverpool) So if Lingard is creating chances more frequently than all but one of his team-mates he's clearly doing something right and he'd look a lot better, in terms of assists, if our attackers were a bit more capable of hitting a cow's arse with a banjo (and yes, he's guilty of missed chances himself).
Players ratings are biased nonsense. Any player who keeps another popular player out of the team always gets harshly treated. FWIW, Lingard has had some poor games this season. He's been inconsistent, like a lot of our attacking players. I also think he's been as good as any of them on his day and generally been a key player for us in almost all of our really impressive performances this season. With stats to back that opinion up.
He's also a local lad, loyal to the club, has come up through the ranks since he was in primary school and should be someone we're all delighted to see pull on the shirt. I just don't get why so many people feel so negative about him. This club will be a lot less connected to the match-going fans the day we start lining up without players like Jesse in our team, that's for damn sure.
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So if the headline had been that we've just bought a young England international with PL experience and some matchwinning goals to his name, would people be so critical? Now if we added that his total cost, transfer fee + wages, would be £15m, rising to £20m with bonuses, we'd think it was a very reasonable option for the club.
Now throw in the fact we're low on club trained and homegrown players, the contract renewal makes sense, for us and him. It's a gamble, so are all signings and all contracts. We're making a commitment to him based on what the manager thinks he will do. That's what we do every time we sign a player.
All he needs to do is add performances to his game regularly away from wembley and his new wage will be deservedYou mean apart from scoring every time he plays a final at Wembley ?
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Worst news of the season..
It's not standard at all, 100k would put him on more than Baily, Smalling, Carrick, Valencia, Rojo, Martial, Herrera, Blind, Rashford. All of them are more first-teamers than Lingard. This actually makes him one of our higher paid players.It's a standard contract for a squad player at this club to receive. Ashley Young was on a comparable amount for years.
It's not a standard contract for a squad player, hence why over half the squad are paid less.I still don't understand the controversy over this. Our wage structure is set up in such a way that if Lingard were to inquire to the PFA and ask the going rate for a player of his status (squad) at comparable clubs (Chelsea, City), he'd receive a rough quote. The manager clearly thinks Lingard can do what he wants him to do, and is happy to tie him up to a four year deal. There's also the fact that should we decide to move him on in a year, we'll receive a higher premium.
It's a standard contract for a squad player at this club to receive.
You've just used an example of one of our worst and most overpaid signings of the last decade, to try and prove that paying Lingard £100k is a good deal...Ashley Young was on a comparable amount for years.
Smalling could be out the door. Carrick will probably leave. Valencia is at an age where he isn't going to receive a lucrative contract. Rojo is on 70k a week, and that was negotiated years ago. His new contract would be worth over 100k, if and when he begins negotiations. Martial was 19, and Lingard has featured more under Jose. Herrera's contract was formulated under LvG, if he were to resign and Jose expressed his desire to keep him as a first team member, he'd receive more than Lingard.It's not standard at all, 100k would put him on more than Smalling, Carrick, Valencia, Rojo, Martial, Herrera, Blind, Rashford. All of them are more first-teamers than Lingard. This actually makes him one of our higher paid players.
And Ashley Young's salary was always ridiculous, no one thought that was standard (it was mostly because he was a free transfer so we saved money on a transfer fee)
That's because the EPL is ahead on wages. QPR had a higher wage bill than Atletico Madrid in the season AM won La Liga. This is what chairmen take into account. The market sets the rate, not some idealized notion of what a player should deserve relative to leagues which are irrelevant.If it were a standard wage for a squad player then it shows how poorly run we are. Far better teams than us in Europe pay far less for squad players.