Guys we’re missing the obvious move here which is to get him on loan with a obligation to buy or we just pay $5m in penalties. Boom. Mic drop!
Liam Delap | £30m release clause?
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There will be other clubs that will pay Ipswich the full money up front so they have no need to loan him out.
We have to loan our players with obligations because no club wants to buy them outright.
Hopefully he won't be our main striker next season. But I'd love to have him at United. His move somehow reminds me of young Rooney. Just liking those skillful dribbling, powerful run, eye for a pass, and the drive.
An interesting number but why are you not take into account that it’s the striker’s movement, hold up play, and positioning in the box are the issues why our strikers only receive 16% of all big chances we created? When we played Maguire and Obi as striker, they are getting more chances than Hojlund and Zirkzee.
He reminds you of a young Rooney?
No offence but did you actually watch Rooney in his debut season? Even at age 16 he was clearly one of the better players at Everton already.
Was about to say the same thing! Amazing how in a 5 minutes cameo Maguire managed to create three opportunities for himself. Rasmus just doesn’t have the movement or instincts to get into the correct positions.
Yes. I am way older than Rooney.
We don’t need to waste money on him. Still very raw. Do we ever learn? To move to the next level we need an experienced clinical ST. Osihmen or Gyokeres are the ones who get us closer to top 4
Insulting to Rooney. If Delap signs, of course he'll be our main striker. It's not like we are signing Osimhen as well.
In Amorim's 3-4-3 he likes dribbling ball carriers as 10s. Bruno is not that and is getting older. Playing as an 8 suits him far better in that system than playing as a 10. We simply should upgrade the flanks of our attack with ball carrying 10s. Then add another deep creative midfielder robust enough to be an alternative to Bruno or Ugarte deeper.
Delap isn't the reason his side is getting relegated for you to call it "standards falling" to sign him. This is up there with looking at us signing Keane from Forrest back in the day with disdain.
Rooney at age 19 was the best young forward in the world. That includes Ronaldo
Personally
I'd sign both Delap AND David. Because David is free and can operate as a ball carrying inside forward. He'd literally replace what we'd lose from Rashford whilst having the kinda work rate Rashford last had when he was 21
Rome wasn't built in a day, the striker we need for this stage of the project might not necessarily be the one who will see us through to the end. What I'd give a for Cavanisque signing that could tidy us over whilst we get the parts of the team right.
For what we need over the next few seasons he and Hoijlund could suffice. Reason being we need someone useful ie someone who can knock in 10 to 15 league goals but just as importantly hold up play and bring others into the game. This could be immense and turn an attack that barely scores 50 goals into one that can score 70, for example.
Then a striker's success or failure depends on what we do with other positions as in do we get that playmaking 8, that other 10 and an attacking RWB? It's a different case having Garnacho and Zirkzee as your main supply line to having Cunha and Bruno/Amad as the 10s behind you. The dynamics of a team automatically change if we bring in Cunha, Delap, Frimpong and a top class 8.
If Ipswich need to get rid of him they will , I can imagine there will be a few clubs interested in him . I just don’t think he’s good enough to lead the line for us
100%, especially given that both Gyokeres and Osimhen maybe available in the 50-60m range.
Remember the saying "poor man always pays twice"?
We have already tried to be "smart" about a striker when we got Hojlund (ironically overpaying but paying less than established strikers cost back then) and then Zirkzee.
So we already paid twice, and clearly we still dont have a good enough striker. Now we are going to buy third striker, making up excuses that Zirkzee was not even a striker. And we are buying somebody, in Delap, who many believe is also not good enough.... because doing the same thing over and over again despite not working is not a sign of insanity?
May not be insanity, but this is definitely what a gambling addiction looks like - "I am doing a very unlikely thing but next time I hope to get lucky, despite odds"
Ok...
We have already tried to be "smart" about a striker when we got Hojlund (ironically overpaying but paying less than established strikers cost back then) and then Zirkzee.
So we already paid twice, and clearly we still dont have a good enough striker. Now we are going to buy third striker, making up excuses that Zirkzee was not even a striker. And we are buying somebody, in Delap, who many believe is also not good enough.... because doing the same thing over and over again despite not working is not a sign of insanity?
May not be insanity, but this is definitely what a gambling addiction looks like - "I am doing a very unlikely thing but next time I hope to get lucky, despite odds"
Ok...
I would prefer selling both Hojlund and Zirkzee this summer and going all in on Gyokeres £55m and Jonathan David (Free). We should be able to recoup about 50m from selling both of the others.
Problem is there are at least 2 top 4 PL clubs looking at a new striker this summer in Arsenal and Chelsea and those players will be high on their list, unless we win the Europa it’s going to be hard to attract those players after a bottom half finish
Just scored
We already have backups for experienced striker - Hojlund, Chido. What we need is an experienced striker, not another backup
He's scored 12 goals playing for the worst team in the league. He's two footed and he is strong on the turn and carrying the ball forward.
Looking around, who else has been clearly better than him this season? Haaland, Isak, Wood, Salah, Mbuemo. Aside from Mbuemo, none of those are realistic transfer targets for us.
We're better off signing someone with real EPL experience who can get better than someone who has been scoring for fun in a much different league. If Delap is available for that release clause, we should be signing him.
Keeping Hojlund, who still has some degree of resale value, isn't a good idea. He barely scores, so retaining him as if he could be effective if someone like Gyokeres or Osimhen get injured wouldn't make sense. Right now, i have more confidence in Obi scoring than either Hojlund or Zirkzee.
Already better than all our forwards combined then
Including 5 or 6 penalties
Or we can try to sign a proven goalscorer - someone who does score 15-20 goals a season, not someone who might
To be fair I don't think top strikers get 15-20 PL goals for Ipswich.
You don't think Haaland gets 15 goals at Ipswich ?
I don't get how alot of our fanbase say that we should be finding hidden gems like Brighton and then don't want us to sign players like Delap or Dibling who are relatively cheap.
They aren't exactly expensive and we should be able to get most of our money if it doesn't work out.
I genuinely think British talent are undervalued as overrated and overpriced which is very unfair.
Delap has one less goal that Etikike playing in a much tougher league and I genuinely know which one alot of fans would prefer.
They aren't exactly expensive and we should be able to get most of our money if it doesn't work out.
I genuinely think British talent are undervalued as overrated and overpriced which is very unfair.
Delap has one less goal that Etikike playing in a much tougher league and I genuinely know which one alot of fans would prefer.
Who guarantees that in the PL that we could realistically afford?
Why do we approach our most pressing needs (right now, a prolific striker) through a scarcity mindset ? Being cheap isn't exactly a good thing in a vast majority of instances. We can probably afford any striker we want, especially if as expected, we sell a lot of players this summer, and as such, shouldn't lower the bar to accomodate players who aren't much better than Hojlund.
Delap should move to Turkey, see if he can get 25-30 goals in all comps like 3 strikers already have.
The word "relatively" is doing a lot of heavy lifting there.
For example, Delap's £40m release clause would put him around the level of Brighton's club record signing. And as for Dibling, both the Times and Telegraph have reported that Southampton value him at 100m. Which while obviously ridiculous still isn't a sign that he will be any sort of cheap.
Add to this, Osimhen and Gyokeres would probably be available in the 50s because of release clauses and in the former's case, Napoli being desperate to sell, which isn't far off from what Delap would cost.
Haaland is top but he's also generational. The market we are in there's no Haaland around.
I dont know if Sesko, Osimhen and the like get 15 goals though. In fact I'd be quite convinced about the former not being able to do so.
If this is based on the idea that the quality of service at smaller clubs isn't what it is a bigger ones, then you also have to consider that the pressure at bigger clubs, especially at United, is much greater than at smaller ones. Just look at Hojlund as the latest example of this. We shouldn't therefore presume that because Delap has 12 goals at Ipswich, that this would automatically translate to 25 at United. He could just as well finish with 8, just as Hojlund has this year.
The wage package is a risk with the other two and if things don't work out well you are suddenly paying North of £20m for a player who isn't contributing much and has little resale value. Delap at £40m plus circa £150k in wages looks like a safer bet given the other things he has going for him like youth and PL experience.
If he can score 15 league goals for Ipswich he should be able to do the same for us or better. He is young and with more experience he will improve. I don't trust Osmheni's first touch and Gyokeres did struggle in this league before. Committing huge wages and substantial fees to either player has a level of risk I am not comfortable with.
As mentioned in my previous post, what a player does at a small club can't be extrapolated to United. There's far more pressure here than anywhere else. Just look at everyone from Elanga to Antony to McTominay to Rashford as evidence -- all are thriving away from United, so there's no reason to think Delap would be any different category. At least with Gyokeres and Osimhen, they have delivered a high level of goals in multiple leagues, so even if they score 70% of that in England, it would be far better than anything we presently have.
If we were to go for him, it would feel more like an experimental move than a statement signing. He’s still very young, still developing, and while there’s obvious potential there, I’m not convinced he’s ready to come in and deliver immediately. And right now, we need players who can hit the ground running.
That said, Amorim did make an interesting point - what he considers a "big player" might differ from what fans typically see as a "big player". So perhaps someone like Delap actually fits the profile Amorim is targeting.
That said, Amorim did make an interesting point - what he considers a "big player" might differ from what fans typically see as a "big player". So perhaps someone like Delap actually fits the profile Amorim is targeting.