Park himself felt quite strongly about that chant when he spoke to our official podcast. He doesn't like it.
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There's monkey chants and then theres saying Lukaku has a big dong
One's is purposely designed to intimidate, offend and aggravate. The other is comedic use of a racial stereotype. Should we brand Jimmy Carr or Dave Chapelle as racist and homophobic for utlising racial/sexual stereotypes in their routines?
The line isn't clear and there has to be a degree of tolerance when things are used for comedic purposes - the back story of the rent boy chant is funny, that can't be denied. Is the chant genuinely being used to attack intimidate, offend and aggravate a target? I don't think so.
If it was targetted at an openly gay player/staff - that's different.
I've had "fecking rentboy cnut" screamed at me by angry, red faced blokes. Humour has absolutely nothing to do with it. Telling the difference between a joke and abuse isn't always difficult.
I agree the lines aren't always clear but when every gay supporters group (including your own) is saying "please don't do this", it's pretty clear.
In the context of a football match, both of the former are racist.
And the latter is homophobic.
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Well this is awkward. Do you live under a rock?
How long until the obviously racist chant Park has said contains a racial insult is deemed racist? Gee I wonder.
Fans shoildn't need the FA to intervene when Park himself has already said he doesn't want it sung.
I agree with this.
Do people here genuinely believe that fans chant 'rent boys' but don't associate it with the fact that they're laughing at Chelsea fans/players having gay sex? If the answer is no, then how is it not homophobic?
For the Lukaku big dong chant, I think he even said he doesn't like it so in that sense you have to respect his opinion and stop chanting it, though I don't think it's an offensive chant.
For rent boy, it is clearly meant as a way to lock Chelsea fans through saying they are gay prostitutes so I think it's offensive. If they used gigolo, that doesn't have any gay connotations to it, then that would be different. The fact that they are saying rent boy implies they think being gay is something to be made fun for, and therefore is wrong.
There’s a lot you can do with that logic. “What do you mean I can’t eat all these shrooms and stare people down on public transport? It was fine in ‘62”
“We’ve moved the goalposts sir”
That should be fine, though. More '62 drugs, less '62 ranting about faggots and pakis.
can't believe it's even a discussion about whether it's homophobic or not
newsflash: if you're calling someone gay as an insult, it's homophobic af
newsflash: if you're calling someone gay as an insult, it's homophobic af
Since when has the definition of something being racist or homophobic been limited to "intention to cause harm or offend"? Maybe if we were in an actual court, but that has never been the case for human interaction.
Even using your standard, I'm not sure it holds up as the intention of the chant is to mock rival fans for being gay prostitutes. It's not just the prostitution, it's the homosexual part of it.
Not sure I've ever been called a rentboy in a 'jokey' way. Every time I have been it's in the same vein as what you see in this knobhead's clip:
That’s great for you and him, and I definitely think white people being offended on behalf of minorities who don’t necessarily care is a thing, and can be quite condescending I’d have thought. But chances are there’s a lot of LGBT people who aren’t able to brush it off as easily and might even think twice about going - they’re hardly the most gay friendly places as it is.
I work with a white woman who is constantly upset for minorities like myself. Some of the stuff she comes out with is mind boggling and is extremely condescending. She means well but it’s goes to the extreme.
This isn't just a load of straight people complaining about homophobic chants though. It's not even just the gay Chelsea fans complaining, gay Man United fans are asking for it to stop...
In tomorrow's Sun on Sunday.
Finally. Great to hear. Just hope the undoubted backlash from multiple directions isn’t cretinous.
The replies to the tweet... dozens of posters saying "we all know they're liverpool, everton, you name it" players as an insult. And then the usual morons replying "who cares, sexuality shouldn't be a public matter" to try to hide their homophobia.
Disgusting, but sadly expected.
Weird bug.. ..caf says you're supporting Qatar!?
Don't you have anything smarter to say? I've been supporting PSG for 30 years, I was here before QSI and I'll be here after. Supporting PSG isn't an endorsement of the owners, fans can't do anything about it. I limit as much as I can the money I give them and that's pretty much the extent of my power.
Taking a thread off topic
So you're supporting Qatar in a limited capacity and under protest. That's admirable. Gold star for you.
Do you support gambling and alcool addictions? Because your club has sponsors in these industries, you know it's also terrible issues for society right?
Yeah, your argument is that dumb.
You're correct, Qatar is basically one large brewery. Go Qatar! Go alcool!
Alcool kills over 74,000 people every year in Germany, I'd say it's a pretty big deal, do you go to protest every week-end to ask for these sponsors to be removed?
No? I thought so.
Anyway, I'm done with you.
It's highly distasteful how the tabloids hide behind their wafer thin supportive veneer while so eager to reveal players are gay. The language they use has obviously moved on from the slurs of past years, but the intentions remain as abhorrent.
Bump.
I reckon discusssion about all this(quoted post below) now is irrelevant because everyone refused to wear it now, and not just random muslim bloke that made the headlines? As I suspected the first time, when Modric and other players refused it, it's not a big story, but random muslim player refuses it and lt's the story of the week in the western media(and redcafe).
I reckon discusssion about all this(quoted post below) now is irrelevant because everyone refused to wear it now, and not just random muslim bloke that made the headlines? As I suspected the first time, when Modric and other players refused it, it's not a big story, but random muslim player refuses it and lt's the story of the week in the western media(and redcafe).
Sorry what is a rent boy? And why were people chanting that to Chelsea team?
Thank you. Learned something new there. Had no idea or even heard the phrase before.
I guess the difference is that other players want / wanted to wear it but are not doing so in fear of being prevented from playing, whereas matey here is doing so because he doesn’t believe in protesting homophobia.
Sliiiiiiiiiiiight difference, between someone outright rejecting it for ideological reasons and others wanting to wear it, but caving in to FIFA's pressure?????????
I don't think fear of starting a game with yellow card should be that strong if you want to prove a point tbf. Especially if you are a striker and playing a game against Iran.
Players/people from football are just being hypocrites as always, nothing new here. Same when we got racism on online media but hardly anyone from them wanted to delete their social profiles in protest because it earns them lot of money. But they were fine to write and complain because that cost them nothing.
It's just a yellow card.
I don't know .. I think most people would rather have a bit of support than complete rejection. And I'd rather be called a hypocrite than a homophobe myself.
Well done for an utterly terrible take. Not only are people mis placing their anger on the players, rather than FIFA. We’re now also bunching them in with actual homophobic footballers
It’s not the same thing
In the grand scheme of things that homophobe guy is not even important. It's exactly the bolded thing, players would rather be hypocrites than send a message, and the entire point of the rainbow armband is sending the message.
And even getting a yellow card would be a strong message actually. But then they care too much about themselves not to take one for the team, even though they would convince you otherwise.
Well done for an utterly terrible take. Not only are people mis placing their anger on the players, rather than FIFA. We’re now also bunching them in with actual homophobic footballers
No one is doing that. But then they don't deserve much praise either because they are not ready to stay behind their reasonings, even if it would cost them yellow card.
Your takes are horrible. You’re also talking about how black footballers should have deleted their social media in protest at racist abuse. I bet women shouldn’t wear short skirts because they’re just asking for it too?