You think we’d be better off without Ronaldo this season? Feck me…
Letting Martial go on loan has cost us CL football.
- Thread starter Desert Eagle
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Yeah I do. He has brought enormous disruption to the team despite a few special moments this season.
Not afraid to say it.
Just read that back to yourself..
He was a squad player being used to help out when a first teamer wasn’t available but we let him go even before he fulfilled that purpose and still paying his wages, it’s terrible management.
Nah.
We haven't won a game without him, but yeah sure, we'd be way better or something.
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I can't truthfully imagine caring about seeing someone who has proved to be as nothingy as Martial playing for us again. If it wasn't for this place talking about him, I'd have forgot he existed once he went on loan.
He was shit against West Ham when Sevilla were knocked out of the EL, and then he started the next game against Sociedad. In 90 minutes Sevilla had 0 shots on target, Martial had 1 shot that went wide, was subbed off at the 58 minute mark and had 21 touches in total. The Spanish media said: “Very little for what is expected or expected of him,”.
Martial is one of those players who get's better the less people see him play. He was world class at one point when he wasn't getting any game time at all and couldn't make the bench.
The team this season has been built to serve Ronaldo; when Ronaldo is not there, the team hasn't a clue to what to do. However the team also hasn't a clue when he's in the team also.
By signing Ronaldo, we basically decided to disrupt the front three of Rashford, Martial, and Greenwood, a front three that had performed well together under Ole. Not only that, Bruno was a much better player behind those front three than Ronaldo and two others.
As a result of the Ronaldo signing...
Martial left because he wasn't getting games anymore. Rashford was shifted to the right wing (his worse position) because Ronaldo was a guaranteed starter upfront. Greenwood (when he was available) was suddenly selfish for not passing to Ronaldo. Bruno's game suffered, Maguires leadership was questioned. The list goes on.
We were a better team last season without Ronaldo. Last season there were clear partnerships and connections in the team. This season there are zero connections. Ronaldo is a big reason for that.
Is the OP a question or a statement?
Martial has been extremely poor this season. What is the argument he would change outcomes?
He is another of example of somebody we signed who is not as has been mentioned elsewhere, elite, he is mentally weak. Potentially has loads of talent but far to soft mentally.
Martial has been awful for seasons now. Whether you like Ronaldo or not (I'm guessing you don't) it's absurd to claim that he's the reason for Martial being terrible and leaving. Martial is an embarrassment of a footballer these days. He had all the talent in the world but stopped trying the minute the money started coming in. Shameful really.
Martial wouldn't have made a jot of a difference. He's not exactly tearing it up at Sevilla is he?
I don't think even hindsight could get me to say this, Martial was so so poor when playing for us. He's also gone on to continue his poor form, so how exactly was he going to help?
He would have been a body on the bench, a body with a face like a slapped a**e, who would have come on with a face like a slapped a**e and then play like someone who should have his a**e slapped.
I mean, he only scored 1 goal all season so it's doubtful. The Greenwood mess has been the most costly to us. From Greenwood on the right to Elanga now starting there. That's a huge drop in quality.
Unfortunately, I have to agree with you 100%. Martial has been hit and miss in past few seasons, don't think he would make any difference even if he is around.
What cost us CL, is the fact that not a single player, apart from DDG, has maintained his form from last season.
They have had enough opportunities. Ole gave Martial all the opportunity and Rashford has been a starter no matter what his form was. It was not Ronaldo the problem but the others not making the effort. We needed a midfield upgrade and that was and is the biggest issue. We need not have bought Sancho or Varane. If we had got one or two quality midfield players then even CBs of Lindelof and Maguire would have been enough for this season.
What is this thread? He's shown how average he is at Sevilla. Sooner we sell him the better.I mean considering how poor he has been at Seville no i don't think letting him go cost us anything, other than any chance of selling him in the summer as his performances will mean no one will match his wages.
Martial is so overrated! When he was here this season he was a massive liability, so lazy and ineffective. He was outpaced by Cavani. Where his cult hero following comes from I have no idea.
Eagle please.
I called this in January when we let him go
Ronaldo can't play every game
Cavani is always injured
Greenwood and Rashford are not strikers anyway
it didn't make any sense expecting Ronaldo to play every game
it just seems like this Season was written off as soon as ole was sacked
Ronaldo can't play every game
Cavani is always injured
Greenwood and Rashford are not strikers anyway
it didn't make any sense expecting Ronaldo to play every game
it just seems like this Season was written off as soon as ole was sacked
Martial is no world beater. He might not play for us ever again and no one would be too torn up about it. I do maintain though he has talent ( though lacks mentality) .
He could have given us a few goals and converted some key draws to wins. 3 goals could be six points or 4 points and still being in a cup.
He who shall not be named was obviously a bigger factor to be fair.
Entirely revisionist history here. Martial didn't feature as much as you think last season and only scored 6 goals with 7 assists - he had more than enough chances this season on the left, or last season as a number 9 - he did neither. Rashford had a good season in numbers, but we've been complaining about his performances for more than a year now - there was a hope that after his surgery he would start putting effort in, but that hasn't occurred. Greenwood, why even bring him up. Yes maybe he became a worse player with Ronaldo's arrival (weird that it's Ronaldo's fault for not being passed to), but we now know he would suddenly not become available on account of being literal scum. Bruno as well saw his form drop towards the end of last season. Cavani is perennially injured. Maybe Maguire has had his leadership undermined, but its been more undermined due to his atrocious form.
Last season our form dropped pretty dramatically from March onwards. This isn't a sudden loss of form based on an incoming player, it's a loss of form once Ole tried to instil a more pressing game and move away from our predominantly counter attacking style that we had fostered since the start of Jose's reign (bar the stint where Ole was not yet confirmed as permanent manager).
If we didn't bring Ronaldo we would now have as our front line: An underperforming Martial (we can base that on the fact he is not playing well at Sevilla either), an underperforming Rashford, an injured Cavani, a want-away Lingard, a young and inconsistent Elanga and only really Sancho as performing anywhere close to the level we want.
Please explain to me how the guy who is never fit, and waddles about like a penguin on the pitch would have saved our CL season?
I'm really curious.
I'm really curious.
"Letting Martial go on loan has cost us CL football."
Please! Do me a favour. He would have made difference at all, much the same as he makes no difference when he plays.
Please! Do me a favour. He would have made difference at all, much the same as he makes no difference when he plays.
We won't be selling him. He'll be leaving on a free after freeloading doing SFA for a year or two.
Relying on Martial for CL football. Does it get any sadder than that?
Our season ended with the thrashing Liverpool handed us. It had nothing to do with Martial leaving or staying.
Our season ended with the thrashing Liverpool handed us. It had nothing to do with Martial leaving or staying.
I think there were better options.
Most stupid thread ever? We have literally missed Dan James more than Martial and we haven't missed him either.
haha!
Further proof that a lot of people here live in a fantasy land conceived by playing too much Fifa21 and FM.
I'll have some of what Desert Eagle is on, please.
It’s funny because Sevilla may miss Champions League football because they signed him.
whats with all the clickbaity thread titles lately?
A classic case of the grass is always greener on the other side.
Sometimes you have to stop and ask yourself what you are actually saying before you say it.
Do you really believe that Martial would have led a team with a terrible defence, one midfielder that regularly plays above average and one attacker who can regularly control the ball to the Champions League?
Do you really believe that Martial would have led a team with a terrible defence, one midfielder that regularly plays above average and one attacker who can regularly control the ball to the Champions League?