Let's talk 'keepers: who do we buy and why?

Like I said, Schmeichel had been a World Class goalkeeper for years prior to that penalty save. You simply never watched Schmeichel play if you're seriously stating that he wasn't a great shot stopper. That isn't an opinion - it's flat out wrong.

Van der Sar was very good. He wasn't better than Schmeichel.

De Gea was significantly better than Schmeichel -- fact, not opinion -- as a shot stopper, but no one would ever consider De Gea as one of the greatest keepers of all time.

What set Schmikes apart from most other keepers was his command of the box and distribution, not his shot stopping. Without question he was a good shot stopper, despite a long string of howlers, shot stopping was not his strength.

As for Van Der Sar, there was no weakness in his game who was virtually incapable of bad mistakes, even before his time with United. Criminally underrated even here. Van Der Sar was no Pirlo with the ball at his feet, but he would slot right in any top club today whereas Schmeichel would struggle with the ball-playing requirements of the position in today's game.
 
Like I said, Schmeichel had been a World Class goalkeeper for years prior to that penalty save. You simply never watched Schmeichel play if you're seriously stating that he wasn't a great shot stopper. That isn't an opinion - it's flat out wrong.

Van der Sar was very good. He wasn't better than Schmeichel.
i think those old enough to remember Pete are blessed that weve been able to watch two of the best keepers in Uniteds history (him and VdS).

DDG is an absolute favourite of mine but not close to the level of them two in my eyes.

We struggled with keepers for years until VdS arrived from Fulham (ill never get over Roy Carroll being our No 1). We should have gotten him when he was leaving Juve, he came to united in his early 30s and still achieved legendary status. Imagine if we had another 4/5 years with him in the team.

We let DDG go at the wrong time and history is repeating itself. We need to properly replace him and settle the position for the long term.
 
As for Van Der Sar, there was no weakness in his game who was virtually incapable of bad mistakes, even before his time with United. Criminally underrated even here. Van Der Sar was no Pirlo with the ball at his feet, but he would slot right in any top club today whereas Schmeichel would struggle with the ball-playing requirements of the position in today's game.
It was a different game for much of Schmeichels playing career so isn't really fair to mark him down for it. He could pick up back passes until he was 29yo and the rule changed. The game evolved since then where Goalkeepers were brought up to be better with the ball at their feet
 
It's genuinely insane that you keep pedalling this nonsense. How old are you? Nobody who has ever watched Schmeichel play could ever be so incorrect on this point.

I starting watching Schmeichel the day he joined United. A fantastic keeper, as I have already stated, but shot stopping wasn't his strength. There are more than a few games you can find online where he looked like Onana.
 
It was a different game for much of Schmeichels playing career so isn't really fair to mark him down for it. He could pick up back passes until he was 29yo and the rule changed. The game evolved since then where Goalkeepers were brought up to be better with the ball at their feet

Valid point.

But Van Der Sar wasn't that much younger, 6-7 years I believe, than the Great Dane and his ability with the ball at his feet was substantially superior.
 
Any keeper we sign should be 6'4" as a bare minimum and a big frame (not wiry like DDG). Think about how many goals we've conceded from an aerial bombardment from corners and freekicks. We need a fearless goalkeeper that won't allow himself to pushed around during Arsenal-like set-pieces.

Of course I'm assuming this keeper is okay-ish on the ball, has good shot stopping and reflexes etc.

As an aside, I would love a goalkeeper that can launch counterattacks with huge throws like Schmeichel and Neuer.

Radek Vítek looks promising - has a big frame and commanding presence.
 
I starting watching Schmeichel the day he joined United. A fantastic keeper, as I have already stated, but shot stopping wasn't his strength. There are more than a few games you can find online where he looked like Onana.
Schmeichel was an outstanding shot stopper. Genuinely magnificent. Much better than Van der Sar. You can debate whether De Gea was a better shot stopper or not - there wasn’t much in it. Schmeichel was far better when it came to every other facet of goalkeeping. Ball playing wasn't relevant at the time, but Schmeichel could throw a ball as accurately, if not more so, than many a keeper could kick it.

Pairing Schmeichel in a negative light alongside Onana should be a criminal offence.
 
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Saying shot stopping wasn't a strength of Schmeichel's is a bit like saying you don't rate Vidic cause he was weak in the air or that you think Ruud would have been a decent striker if he could finish.
 
Care to elaborate on "even without the gaffs, he's still incredibly average at goalkeeping."

Guy has made some of the better saves I've ever seen from a United keeper, and his passing while not as good as I thought it would be, is also better than any other keeper we've had. Is also a good addition as a 12th out field player. He's playing on a shit United side with awful defending for the most part, filled with pathetic off field drama, in transition, and incredibly unlucky. The guy has actually been a bright spot as a player and person.
You qualify it by saying it’s what you’ve seen, but that is a wild take regardless. If you think Onana’s been a bright spot, I shudder at the thought of what darkness would represent.

Wait, did you say Schmeichel wasn’t an outstanding shot stopper? I mean, is that serious? One of the best shot stoppers of all time. I think people, especially those who only witnessed the later years of Schmeichel’s career, forget how unbelievable he was. The save vs Rapid Vienna alone is maybe in the top three saves ever. Not only was he a sensational shot stopper, he commanded the box like no one else I’ve ever seen, and had maybe the best attacking throw ever. His one weakness was maybe his feet, in an era where that wasn’t very important. But even that said, he was decent with his feet, noted by the fact he actually scored a goal. He also played in a time where pitches were atrocious. I’m sorry but I can’t take seriously anyone who says he wasn’t a great shot stopper. Utterly insane.
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Like I said, Schmeichel had been a World Class goalkeeper for years prior to that penalty save. You simply never watched Schmeichel play if you're seriously stating that he wasn't a great shot stopper. That isn't an opinion - it's flat out wrong.

Van der Sar was very good. He wasn't better than Schmeichel.
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It's genuinely insane that you keep pedalling this nonsense. How old are you? Nobody who has ever watched Schmeichel play could ever be so incorrect on this point.
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Schmeichel was an outstanding shot stopper. Genuinely magnificent. Much better than Van der Sar. You can debate whether De Gea was a better shot stopper or not - there wasn’t much in it. Schmeichel was far better when it came to every other facet of goalkeeping. Ball playing wasn't relevant at the time, but Schmeichel could throw a ball as accurately, if not more so, than many a keeper could kick it.

Pairing Schmeichel in a negative light alongside Onana should be a criminal offence.
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Saying shot stopping wasn't a strength of Schmeichel's is a bit like saying you don't rate Vidic cause he was weak in the air or that you think Ruud would have been a decent striker if he could finish.
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Thought I was going crazy.
 
Save money for other positions. Either give Vitek a run or get Kovar back to compete with Onana.
 
Like I said, Schmeichel had been a World Class goalkeeper for years prior to that penalty save. You simply never watched Schmeichel play if you're seriously stating that he wasn't a great shot stopper. That isn't an opinion - it's flat out wrong.

Van der Sar was very good. He wasn't better than Schmeichel.
Schmeichel was an amazing keeper, #2 in my lifetime of watching United for me - Behind VDS.

I completely get people going the other way around with it but for me, but VDS was just so complete, calm and reliable. He edges it for me.

Schmeichel was of course still world class and an unreal shot stopper. Those throws man..
 
I always enjoy reading someone write something so wide of the mark and uninformed with such confidence and condescension, only to rightly be ripped apart for their nonsense. Invariably there is the rare instance that the poster acknowledges that they don’t know what they are talking about, but usually - as has happened in this thread - they double down on their insanity to hilarious comic effect. My favourite was the follow up post espousing an opinion then pointedly stating it was a fact not an opinion. The hallmark of desperation.

The good news is that a lot of posters stood up and countered the insanity on display. The other bit of good news is that another mentalist has been outed.
 
De Gea was significantly better than Schmeichel -- fact, not opinion -- as a shot stopper, but no one would ever consider De Gea as one of the greatest keepers of all time.

What set Schmikes apart from most other keepers was his command of the box and distribution, not his shot stopping. Without question he was a good shot stopper, despite a long string of howlers, shot stopping was not his strength.

As for Van Der Sar, there was no weakness in his game who was virtually incapable of bad mistakes, even before his time with United. Criminally underrated even here. Van Der Sar was no Pirlo with the ball at his feet, but he would slot right in any top club today whereas Schmeichel would struggle with the ball-playing requirements of the position in today's game.
DDG was one of the greatest shot stoppers in the history of the sport (for 5-6 years anyway). However he was average to downright poor at pretty much every other aspect of being a goalkeeper.

Schmeichel was an extremely good shot stopper (not quite as good as peak DDG), while also being very good to one of the best of all time in most other aspects of goalkeeping (bar when the ball was at his feet where he was decent for his time but obviously nowhere near many modern keepers).

VDS was very solid to extremely good at every aspect of goalkeeping, but an argument could be had that pure shot stopping was one of his weaker attributes (less strong might be a better way of putting it).

All keepers make mistakes, even the greats. I rate Neuer as the best keeper of all time but he made a significant amount of mistakes over the years, even at his peak.
 
I always enjoy reading someone write something so wide of the mark and uninformed with such confidence and condescension, only to rightly be ripped apart for their nonsense. Invariably there is the rare instance that the poster acknowledges that they don’t know what they are talking about, but usually - as has happened in this thread - they double down on their insanity to hilarious comic effect. My favourite was the follow up post espousing an opinion then pointedly stating it was a fact not an opinion. The hallmark of desperation.

The good news is that a lot of posters stood up and countered the insanity on display. The other bit of good news is that another mentalist has been outed.
I had a ‘mare regarding Brad Pitt in another thread, it can happen to any of us if we let our guard down.
 
Any keeper who's best ability is world class shot stopping. It's what ETH and his staff failed to realize when they hounded De Gea out of the club.

De Gea had it, Van der Saar had it, schmichel had it. Onana doesnt.
 
What the hell is going on?

So we're shitting on Schmeichel now. Not a great shot stopper... he was a great keeper in every aspect for his time, first keeper to go into Utd and demand to be in the possesion boxes. Maybe he wasn't so great with his feet, but less was expected of a keeper back then.


As for a future keeper, feck it, I'd go in for Sels or Verbruggen.
 
I don't know who is realistic for us but If I could cherry pick any goalkeeper it would be courtios, for me the best keeper in thr world. If choosing a PL keeper it would be Martinez from Villa.
 
Wait, did you say Schmeichel wasn’t an outstanding shot stopper? I mean, is that serious? One of the best shot stoppers of all time. I think people, especially those who only witnessed the later years of Schmeichel’s career, forget how unbelievable he was. The save vs Rapid Vienna alone is maybe in the top three saves ever. Not only was he a sensational shot stopper, he commanded the box like no one else I’ve ever seen, and had maybe the best attacking throw ever. His one weakness was maybe his feet, in an era where that wasn’t very important. But even that said, he was decent with his feet, noted by the fact he actually scored a goal. He also played in a time where pitches were atrocious. I’m sorry but I can’t take seriously anyone who says he wasn’t a great shot stopper. Utterly insane.

I think one of my favourite saves of his was when he was playing for City vs Liverpool. Pushed an El Spitty Diouf shot onto the bar, got down and back up again to catch the ball before anyone else even reacted. He was nearly 40 at that stage, insane reactions.
 
What the hell is going on?

So we're shitting on Schmeichel now. Not a great shot stopper... he was a great keeper in every aspect for his time, first keeper to go into Utd and demand to be in the possesion boxes. Maybe he wasn't so great with his feet, but less was expected of a keeper back then.


As for a future keeper, feck it, I'd go in for Sels or Verbruggen.

If I could be arsed (I can't) i could create a highlight reel of bloopers for Nueur with the ball at his feet.

Big Pete was exceptional and only those that witnessed him know this. And highlight reels of his mistakes is so misleading it's a disgrace.
 
I think most fans dont realize how a bad keeper changes the setup and stability of the team.

Team mates wont say it, but they all know Onana is sh*t.

This one is a no brainer to me. We cant go for another one now, just bought Onana.

Wait for 2026, then go for Costa on his last year of contract for 30m. Best all around keeper available from a selling club.0
 
If I could be arsed (I can't) i could create a highlight reel of bloopers for Nueur with the ball at his feet.

Big Pete was exceptional and only those that witnessed him know this. And highlight reels of his mistakes is so misleading it's a disgrace.

Not a keeper in the world who hasn't made massive howlers on numerous occasions. Neuer got Bayern knocked out of the CL last year with a shocker vs Real. South Korea at the world cup where he went on forward to play on the edge of their box and got caught out. Loads of examples, still he's probably one of the best ever and the player who I think has revolutionised the position the most in the last 20 years.

You could really make a compilation of any player to show they are shit or try and make them look really good.

Schmeichel was awesome in every aspect of being a goalkeeper, anyone who says otherwise is talking out their arse.
 
Probably Martinez, you need a keeper that's brave enough to handle the lights of OT. Onana was good at inter before he signed for us.
 
Very unfair on Onana this thread in my opinion.

He made a few errors at the start of his career at United, then he was class for about 12 months, keeping the team in many games, then he has made a couple of errors again in the last few months, and everyone is back to shitting on him.

Funny that we didn't see the usual culprits giving him his dues when he was performing well, but they came back with their pitch forks at the next mistake.

He will need replacing at some point, but is far down the list of priorities.
 
Very unfair on Onana this thread in my opinion.

He made a few errors at the start of his career at United, then he was class for about 12 months, keeping the team in many games, then he has made a couple of errors again in the last few months, and everyone is back to shitting on him.

Funny that we didn't see the usual culprits giving him his dues when he was performing well, but they came back with their pitch forks at the next mistake.

He will need replacing at some point, but is far down the list of priorities.
Fergie would have given him the Taibi's treatment if he was still the manager though
 
Very unfair on Onana this thread in my opinion.

He made a few errors at the start of his career at United, then he was class for about 12 months, keeping the team in many games, then he has made a couple of errors again in the last few months, and everyone is back to shitting on him.

Funny that we didn't see the usual culprits giving him his dues when he was performing well, but they came back with their pitch forks at the next mistake.

He will need replacing at some point, but is far down the list of priorities.

De Gea 2020-23: 131 games, 11 errors - 11.9 games between each error.
Onana 2023-25: 74 games, 11 errors - 6.7 games between each error.

He has a higher error frequency this season (every 6th game, 5 in 30) than he did last season (every 7.33rd game, 6 in 44).

But hey, these are just facts. Feel whatever you want.
 
This all seems to have got a bit wild since my OP (I'm sure I've just seen something suggesting Onana is no worse than Schmeichel!) so, expanding a bit, here's where I was coming from...

We had a goalkeeping problem in the guise of DDG, because he needed replacing and, where a well-run club would have had a plan to do that and executed that plan, we delayed before ETH - you've got to assume he was the big influence - decided Onana was the solution. Except he wasn't and the keeper problem remains.

I was definitely amongst those who thought we could get by for a bit. That's a 'get by' thinking process where I, and by the look of it, others, saw we had bigger priorities, a constrained budget and could realistically be able to get to the stage of at least competing for the top 4, with Onana in goal. Why have I changed my mind? Because the evidence is clear that he's not good enough. Yes, he can make some exceptional saves (exception seems the key word here), yes, he's comfortable with the ball at his feet but he's just unreliable. He's a limited shot-stopper, seems to have a flawed technique, fails to command his area and has an above average tendency to produce howlers. You can't have that.

Funnily enough, some of the debate around Schmeichel and VDS has reinforced my thinking.

Schmeichel was a transformational player for us. Sure, he conceded a few poor goals, particularly early on - and they might now stand-out more because of his reputation, as there's a tendency to want to prove that even a world class talent can make 'mistakes' - but he was undoubtedly one of the best keepers the PL has seen and, for me, one of the best ever. He had huge physical presence, amazing shot-topping, dominated his area, and often dominated opposing strikers. I remember watching so many games where a forward got a chance against us and you were quite relaxed about it because you knew he'd make the save. Contrast that with watching a set-piece this season or last, where you're completely lacking in confidence over what Onana will (or won't) do.

I didn't see as much of VDS as we lived outside of the UK during much of that time, however, he was also a transformational keeper, who was a big part of our success at the end of the SAF era - just think about the difference from the chaos of Bosnich, Barthez and Carroll.

Back to the main point: we need a transformational keeper to make the leap into being a serious contender for the CL places*.

There aren't many around and we probably can't afford the likely fee - what do we think are the potential ceilings on Kovář or Vitek (and does anyone know what we might need to pay Leverkusen to bring Kovář back?)?

*Which may not be a big leap - none of Villa, Newcastle or Chelsea look like establishing themselves as a top 4 side on a regular basis...If we can deal with our major problem of simply not scoring goals and have someone who can make the difference in keeping them out in marginal games, well, who knows?
 
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De Gea was significantly better than Schmeichel -- fact, not opinion -- as a shot stopper, but no one would ever consider De Gea as one of the greatest keepers of all time.

What set Schmikes apart from most other keepers was his command of the box and distribution, not his shot stopping. Without question he was a good shot stopper, despite a long string of howlers, shot stopping was not his strength.

As for Van Der Sar, there was no weakness in his game who was virtually incapable of bad mistakes, even before his time with United. Criminally underrated even here. Van Der Sar was no Pirlo with the ball at his feet, but he would slot right in any top club today whereas Schmeichel would struggle with the ball-playing requirements of the position in today's game.
DDG was even fit to lace Peter's boots. Not even close to being a better keeper in any way
 
Very unfair on Onana this thread in my opinion.

He made a few errors at the start of his career at United, then he was class for about 12 months, keeping the team in many games, then he has made a couple of errors again in the last few months, and everyone is back to shitting on him.

Funny that we didn't see the usual culprits giving him his dues when he was performing well, but they came back with their pitch forks at the next mistake.

He will need replacing at some point, but is far down the list of priorities.
Never been top class... don't remember keeping us in many games
 
If he isn''t going to be picked by Newcastle, I think Nick Pope would be a good target. Still think he's a top keeper, without being world-class so might fit the budget... really is time to get someone with PL experience again
 
Schmeichel would be even better in the modern game. Prior to Neuer, I'd say he was the best one on one keeper I'd ever seen and in general the best whenever he needed to come off his line.

Those qualities are even more important in the modern game with the higher lines of defence at the top level.
 
Any keeper we sign should be 6'4" as a bare minimum and a big frame (not wiry like DDG). Think about how many goals we've conceded from an aerial bombardment from corners and freekicks. We need a fearless goalkeeper that won't allow himself to pushed around during Arsenal-like set-pieces.

Of course I'm assuming this keeper is okay-ish on the ball, has good shot stopping and reflexes etc.

As an aside, I would love a goalkeeper that can launch counterattacks with huge throws like Schmeichel and Neuer.

Radek Vítek looks promising - has a big frame and commanding presence.
I agree with this, tall and commanding is essential. With Onana I feel that every corner against us will go in.
 
James Trafford

Think he’ll be the best GK in the PL one day. Berrada and Wilcox should know all about him too. Shouldn’t cost the Earth if Burnley don’t go up.
 
UCL - so for maybe one performance against City. Has he replicated that ever for United? Let's not rewrite history
Most ridiculous post ever. First, UCL doesn't last one Match. Second, Even worse is expecting him to replicate his Inter form with the kinda defence and set up we have had since he arrived.
 
Most ridiculous post ever. First, UCL doesn't last one Match. Second, Even worse is expecting him to replicate his Inter form with the kinda defence and set up we have had since he arrived.
Tell me you know nothing about goalkeepers without telling me we know nothing about goalkeepers... another blunder from him today
 
He didn't win UCL keeper of the year by fluke. People really need to end this rewriting of history bs.
He won it by inter have a rock solid defence in front of him, who played a very low block and gave away very few chances.

AC Milan in late 80s early 90s won countless trophies with Rossi in goal and he was never capped by Italy.

Onanas weaknesses are more exposed now.