Lets stop O'Shea playing for Ireland

Stop O'Shea playing <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />

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Why don't we ban all United players from playing for Ireland again <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
 
"Point is, even if O'Shea was there, what the feck has he got to do with the Keane issue? Why should O'Shea's international career suffer? What a stupid topic" -

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might as well make sure fletcher plays for scotland too as apparently he is eligable for ireland because of his granddad or something like that - jus think - scotland could have had fletcher stewart and butt in their midfield!
 
Originally posted by MPTutd:
<strong>F*ck Ireland, who needs them.....

You can't slag of a legend and get away with it.

Glad to see United sticking by him and sending a private jet for him.</strong><hr></blockquote>
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Let's not get O'Shea mixed in this issue.

Roy Keane must have had a point in this entire conflict because he is not a person who would criticise the manager unless something was really wrong, which must have been the case.McCarthy has made a big mistake and will regret it.
 
Originally posted by Davo:
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I'd be criticial of one of our lot if he had behaved in the manner Keane did...

You're far more biased on the subject than I am</strong><hr></blockquote>

Not really. Just pointing out how much energy you expend on here shouting about Keane.

His actions were wrong, his analysis right.
This is backed up by just about everybody who is not part of the official Irish set up.

This, of course, is unimportant to you.
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Originally posted by Travis Bickle:
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Not really. Just pointing out how much energy you expend on here shouting about Keane.

His actions were wrong, his analysis right.
This is backed up by just about everybody who is not part of the official Irish set up.

This, of course, is unimportant to you.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Is it feck..

Keane has been condemned by media and fans alike..

The ones who know the truth, i.e. the Irish squad have all backed MM, which gives a fair indication that he was totally in the wrong..

Whether he was right or wrong in his criticisms we do not know, but its feckin certain that his throwing the toys act was well out of order...

As far as I can see he is only being "backed" by some Manc fans, particularly Irish Mancs fans, who can't believe he could ever do anything wrong in any circumstances..

Biased fools...
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A very stupid post IMHO, O'Shea has nothing to do with the situation, Keano has a point about a lot of things but you can never be allowed to talk to the manager as he did. The manager is the boss so his decision is final. As an Irishman and a Manchester United fan I am angered by what has happened. I cannot see my country getting past first round now. :(
 
Originally posted by mu77:
<strong>"Point is, even if O'Shea was there, what the feck has he got to do with the Keane issue? Why should O'Shea's international career suffer? What a stupid topic" -

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Who is this prick?

Look a little closer and I think you'll find I don't have a 10+ post suggesting that O'Shea should be prevented from playing for his country.
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Originally posted by Dans:
<strong>

Who is this prick?

Look a little closer and I think you'll find I don't have a 10+ post suggesting that O'Shea should be prevented from playing for his country.</strong><hr></blockquote>

But he's right in one thing; you are a silly tit

;)
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&gt;&gt;The ones who know the truth, i.e. the Irish &gt;&gt;squad have all backed MM, which gives a fair &gt;&gt;indication that he was totally in the wrong.

Firstly we will have no idea what they all really think until they no longer play for Ireland, or want to be involved with the set up. Until such a time they will follow the party line.

Many people, press journalists, those who have played for Ireland have agreed that the show the FAI runs is shambolic.

I repeat, ad nausuem, Keane's response was wrong. He should have left in a calmer way. Any "fan" who can't see that is being deliberately obtuse.

But the squad backing the manager, that means nothing.

There are plenty of people here who can't see the wood for the trees.

Such as the fans whose only reason to be here is make noise about a United player.
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sorry dans - but if you were a tit i'm sure you'd be nice and round. no sagging. ;)
 
Originally posted by Travis Bickle:
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Firstly we will have no idea what they all really think until they no longer play for Ireland, or want to be involved with the set up. Until such a time they will follow the party line.

Many people, press journalists, those who have played for Ireland have agreed that the show the FAI runs is shambolic.

I repeat, ad nausuem, Keane's response was wrong. He should have left in a calmer way. Any "fan" who can't see that is being deliberately obtuse.

But the squad backing the manager, that means nothing.

There are plenty of people here who can't see the wood for the trees.

Such as the fans whose only reason to be here is make noise about a United player.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I think we have a clear indication as to the thoughts of the rest of the squad from their reaction. It is becoming clear that he was not a popular figure in the camp and was bad for morale.

Reports are coming out that the loner Keane former team mates were cheering at his departure, and are making little banners etc to stick on his former coach seat etc...

Is he popular at Man Yoo? I've heard that he's not..perhaps he really is simply a first class twat?

The FAI is suddenly the scapegoat for Keane fans...they run a part time league etc and are supposed to suddenly put on the top facilities etc. Everyone appeared satisfied with the WC arrangements till Keane had his little paddy (if you'll excuse the pun).

Its far to easy for you to play the ABU card. Its used whenever any of your lot to something wrong..."Oh its not fair, all these ABU's are calling Cantona/Demento/Beckham/Keane etc etc a cnut...just because he acted like one"

Its your little defense mechanism so that you don't have to admit to yourself what wnakers your players are at times..

e.g. Keane now
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I suspect that Keano is a bit of a twat. Particularly if you aren't as commited to the cause as he is. A quality manager channels such drive. A second rater like McCarthy lets things get to the point where an explosion occurs. He then manufactures a situation which justifys sending home his only world class player.
 
&gt;&gt;I think we have a clear indication as to the &gt;&gt;thoughts of the rest of the squad from their &gt;&gt;reaction.

So let me see. The rest of the squad want to play in the world cup. Would they a) agree with Keane who got angry about the professionality of the set up or b) Follow the party line and say that Keane was wrong.

If you try reading just about anthing written by other ex-players or people associated with the squad they agree that the FAI are amuturish. Though I understand that this goes against your mission to put us in the clear about the morals and behaviour of United players.

&gt;&gt;Is he popular at Man Yoo? I've heard that he's &gt;&gt;not..perhaps he really is simply a first class &gt;&gt;twat?

His popularity at United is not in question. Half your team seem like first class twats to me, I really couldn't care less. They play football. They don't come round your house ever night.

&gt;&gt;Its far to easy for you to play the ABU card.


Because your agenda is so patently clear. You spend your days on here trying to point out any minor fault in Manchester United. You are utterly convinced that Keane could not have any reason to walk out on a team he has worked hard to get into the world cup other than him being an idiot, you can't bring yourself to discuss any other aspect of the situation. Statements made by other people about the FAI. Makes your agenda, pretty clear to me.

&gt;&gt;Its your little defense mechanism so that you &gt;&gt;don't have to admit to yourself what wnakers &gt;&gt;your players are at times..


Well thank goodness we have you and Micheal Owen's tampon to point it out to us. We really couldn't get it clear without your perceptive and in depth analysis.
 
Originally posted by Wibble:
<strong>I suspect that Keano is a bit of a twat. Particularly if you aren't as commited to the cause as he is. A quality manager channels such drive. A second rater like McCarthy lets things get to the point where an explosion occurs. He then manufactures a situation which justifys sending home his only world class player.</strong><hr></blockquote>


A week ago MM = manager of Ireland

Now MM = second rater, terrible manager, shit player, english cnut

A week ago Keane = never in the wrong

Now Keane = never in the wrong

I'm so glad I'm not a Manc... ;)
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Originally posted by Travis Bickle:
<strong>&gt;&gt;I think we have a clear indication as to the &gt;&gt;thoughts of the rest of the squad from their &gt;&gt;reaction.

So let me see. The rest of the squad want to play in the world cup. Would they a) agree with Keane who got angry about the professionality of the set up or b) Follow the party line and say that Keane was wrong.

If you try reading just about anthing written by other ex-players or people associated with the squad they agree that the FAI are amuturish. Though I understand that this goes against your mission to put us in the clear about the morals and behaviour of United players.

&gt;&gt;Is he popular at Man Yoo? I've heard that he's &gt;&gt;not..perhaps he really is simply a first class &gt;&gt;twat?

His popularity at United is not in question. Half your team seem like first class twats to me, I really couldn't care less. They play football. They don't come round your house ever night.

&gt;&gt;Its far to easy for you to play the ABU card.


Because your agenda is so patently clear. You spend your days on here trying to point out any minor fault in Manchester United. You are utterly convinced that Keane could not have any reason to walk out on a team he has worked hard to get into the world cup other than him being an idiot, you can't bring yourself to discuss any other aspect of the situation. Statements made by other people about the FAI. Makes your agenda, pretty clear to me.

&gt;&gt;Its your little defense mechanism so that you &gt;&gt;don't have to admit to yourself what wnakers &gt;&gt;your players are at times..


Well thank goodness we have you and Micheal Owen's tampon to point it out to us. We really couldn't get it clear without your perceptive and in depth analysis.</strong><hr></blockquote>

:bangsheadagainstthewall:

Your entire defence is based on two factors...

1) That Keane is not in the wrong??
2) That I'm an ABU

Just how stupid are you?

The rest of the squad want to play in the WC as you point out..so why have they threatened to pull out to a man if unfalliable Keane returns?

Let me guess...

They're all ABU's?

So the FAI are amateurs? Due to them having little experience of anyting else! And they're not making the intelligent and mature Keane manager and sacking MM straight away?

Sound like ABU's to me...


I'm on a Man Yoo forum and having a go at Keane for being a twat, which he has been...

Its only cos I'm an ABU..

If Keane lopped the heads from the shoulders of a couple of new born kids and I called him a twat, you'd be straight on here dismissing my claims as being the prejudiced views of an ABU..

Just face it mate, he's a prick

Simple as that
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As you said how wrong the Keane ,do you think is any wrong in the irish squad , The burst up is the goal keeper training first , so they don't involve in the 5 man game , is this a professional footballer manner? As you see argentina team is in japan training ground , irish still in the small island for relaxation. I hope irish to out in first round as the result of irrespectable of the game
 
Give me a break. They were aclimitising on the small island. That meant they were going out in the heat of the day each day to get used to the weather and doing some light training as their bodies adjusted. The Irish squad are really going to have a problem with the heat and want to so this properly. They are already in Japan now properly training after getting used to the weather. This seems like a decent professional move to me irregrdless of the FAI shortcomings.

As for the 'irrespectable' of the game playing a 5 a side without a goal keeper once doesn't constitute Ireland going out in the first round. :mad:
 
I cant believe anyone here would doubt Keano's integrity and his patriotism as well as his desire to play football and win.

All those criticising him should get a grip and look at the full story, no court acts from hearing just one side of the tale.

MM had a grudge against Keane and Roy says that MM has finally had his revenge - I believe Roy.

I have had a long-term injury for a looong time and if one of my friends accuses me of faking - I want to poke their eyes out and break their legs to see how they feel. Its VERY frustrating - especially when all you want to do is play football and win - you expect support.

When someone accuses you of letting your country down how do you feel? Not happy rght? In this case it was the entire media and country saying that about Roy, now his manager jumps on his case in front of all the squad?

These things can hurt when you're a passionate person no matter who they come from, a friend may get away with a forced smile, but when they come from someone you dont like in the first place....I know I wouldn't have been able to hold back if I was in Keano's place.

Keane may be seen as a hardman and as a bully - but is he a liar? Hell no.

Upon his outburst the manager was undermined and he had to go. But he was provoked by an a-hole. Hope Fergie roasts him in firey spit before forcing him to retire in shame.
 
Also, who here is stupid enough to think that any Irish player would have spoken out in favor of Keane? None, except retired ones.

In private some agreed with Keane, the ones who didnt went to the press first.

Notice only 3 were against him, the rest didnt say a thing. None of them should've got involved anyway, MM should've kept things under control, but he didnt want to did he? Probably cos Keane got more plaudits for getting there than he did.

All stems from a dispute waaay back in '94 - so harsh...
 
Roy Keane is an excellent player. Wouldn't want to be without him.

Don't know him as a person - sometimes he comes across as an honest down to earth kind of bloke. Other times he comes across as a bullying psycho.

It's wrong to just support him because he plays for United. It's wrong to not support him just because he plays for United.

Regadless of whether he was right or wrong, I think he should have kept a lid on it till after the WC because his country should have come first.

I also think anyone who lets loose a foul mouth tirade in public lets themselves down to a degree, as well as their country/club. That applies to Fergie as well.

Keano may well have been right. But he handled it wrong.

And why should we stop O'Shea playing for Ireland??? That should be down to O'Shea ffs.
 
Originally posted by Livvie20:
<strong>Roy Keane is an excellent player. Wouldn't want to be without him.

Don't know him as a person - sometimes he comes across as an honest down to earth kind of bloke. Other times he comes across as a bullying psycho.

Regadless of whether he was right or wrong, I think he should have kept a lid on it till after the WC because his country should have come first.

I also think anyone who lets loose a foul mouth tirade in public lets themselves down to a degree, as well as their country/club. That applies to Fergie as well.

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Why did MM do what he did? Its very hard to stay somewhere you're being pushed out - almost impossible.

Are you a Man Utd fan? Its not wrong to support him, we supported Beckham after all and he DID let down the country by getting red carded.

If MM wasnt so stupid he wouldn't have included Keane in his squad when Keane made a u-turn.

Keane would not be captain of club and country if he was a bulling psycho. He is just passionate. Maybe you dont understand that kind of mentality - I think I can relate.

As for swearing - sheesh Liv, dont you watch movies? Are you a librarian or something? Its not good to swear in public, but it isnt the worst thing in the world like these papers made out. Better than playing politics and disguising your words/feelings.
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Originally posted by ShAoLiN_ChRoNiC:
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Are you a Man Utd fan? Its not wrong to support him, we supported Beckham after all and he DID let down the country by getting red carded.

Keane would not be captain of club and country if he was a bulling psycho. He is just passionate. Maybe you dont understand that kind of mentality - I think I can relate.

As for swearing - sheesh Liv, dont you watch movies? Are you a librarian or something? Its not good to swear in public, but it isnt the worst thing in the world like these papers made out. Better than playing politics and disguising your words/feelings.</strong><hr></blockquote>


Yes I am a United fan. :rolleyes: And I'm a Roy Keane fan as well. Not a blind one though. I don't have a problem with swearing - my point is that when you're representing your country you need to show a modicum of good behaviour. How would you feel if he suddenly attacked Fergie in the same manner. I know that's only theoretical -but would you support Fergie or Keane? You can't have the opinion that the manager is always correct just because you approve of the personnel. And how would Fergie react if one of his players did speak to him in the same manner - and how would you react?

The real point I was making is that by behaving as he did Keane put himself in the position of having to be dispensed with, which wasn't fair on his country. It also wasn't fair on himself, it's actually Keane I'm more concerned about - not interested one iota in the rest of them.
I'm not questioning that he was right in his opinion, just in the way he chose to voice it, without any regard for the consquences. It's called common sense. Your librarian comment is stupid. I wouldn't go into work and start swearing at my boss - not because I disapprove of swearing, but because I know what the result would be.

Passion is fine, but it's no good used in a destructive way. I just hope that Keane himself isn't the biggest loser in all of it.

And for the record, I don't think the FIA or Mick McCarthy are blameless either. I just wish Roy had chosen to highlight the subject in such a way that people would actually have taken notice of him.

And the David Beckham comment is stupid. It's still a matter of debate whether or not he deserved to be sent off, and even if he did, he didn't do anything calculated.
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Keano is a legend ;)

Now get those knees sorted out Roy, and come back better than ever for the start of the season
 
Mick McCarthy - object lesson in man management - how to get the best out of your star player! Who is this guy anyway? anyone know his management track record, his CV? All I know is he was a very mediocre player for a very mediocre team - Millwall. Know nothing about management career.

Thank god we've got Keane resting for the new season!
 
'Keano's feckin magic, he wears a magic hat,
and when he saw McCarthy, He said " You feckin Twat "

You only played for Millwall and City cos your Shite!
I play for Man United cos i'm feckin dynamite!...
 
To clarify - I'm actually on Roy Keane's side. I just wish he had conducted himself with a bit more dignity, because he would have been listened to more.

I don't actually think Mick McCarthy is fit to lace Keane's boots.
 
It's McCarthy/FAI's job to do the politics and the dignity in public eyes. It's McCarthy's job to motivate the best out of his players. Evidently, he fails in this! What manager would be called a success when all he succeeds in doing is antagonising his best player. Would any of us in our respective jobs if we did the same thing?
 
Originally posted by fjred:
<strong>It's McCarthy/FAI's job to do the politics and the dignity in public eyes. </strong><hr></blockquote>


And the Captain shouldn't?
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i don't think it's high on the list of captain's priorities, no.

The only thing we do know is that McCarthy has lost a middle ranking team it's best player and natural leader. The rest is pure speculation. In most management job's I know, you've got a good chance of being finished fast!
 
And Keane has lost a lot of respect. Though if he's not bothered, I don't suppose I should be.

Where did all this racist stuff come from though? I wouldn't call his comments racist.
 
Can't see how Keane's lost respect. Who from, anyway? The main point is the manager is supposed to motivate the best out of his players. McCarthy's obviously a master at this! Now he's left with a bunch of second rate no-hopers i.e. Quinn, Staunton etc.

Probably very nice people though!
 
Originally posted by fjred:
<strong>Can't see how Keane's lost respect.
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Aren't you reading the papers then?? Or listening to the radio.

Even United fans have been slating him.

And if you think it doesn't matter, it does, because Keano could have made people listen.

But I hope it's a storm in a teacup that will blow over. And I hope Keano doesn't have any long term effects from it all.
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From soccernet:
Roy Keane insists he still had the support of some of his Republic of Ireland team-mates even after his bust-up with Mick McCarthy.

Keane was ordered home from the World Cup on Thursday following the blazing row between the captain and his manager, after he had given an interview in an Irish newspaper criticising the team's training base in Saipan.

The Manchester United midfielder arrived back at his Cheshire home yesterday, and while he gave no comment to the reporters and photographers outside his house, he did give his version of events.

'Mick showed the players a copy of the Irish Times and an interview I had done. He said I was turning against the players. It just wasn't true,' said Keane.

'But he said that if I couldn't respect him then I shouldn't play for him and that's when I walked out. When I left the room I felt I was on my own.

'Some people are sheep and some are wolves. There are a lot of sheep over there and probably I am a wolf -- that's my honest assessment.

'But at the team hotel, following the meeting, several players came to see me.

'Two of them said they had completely agreed with what I'd said but didn't want to place themselves in jeopardy.

'Niall Quinn and Steve Staunton also had a word and said I had stepped out of line.

'They were entitled to their opinion. But at that point I didn't realise they had already spoken to the press about me.

'I feel I have been maligned. I feel that I have been stabbed in the back.'

Keane has reiterated his dismay at the Republic's lack of preparation and poor training facilities out in the Far East.

He said: 'Frankly, the players were joking on the bus that it was like playing for the Dog and Duck.

'Many of them agreed with me that the training pitch and the other part of the preparations were just a complete nonsense. The pitch was rock hard and players were at risk.

'Not only that -- we were supposed to have salt water drinks to keep us in shape. They hadn't arrived. Neither had the skips so we were left without boots or training kit.

'We had to use our casual wear for training. It was chaos. Just a joke.

'I went to see Mick in his room three days before it finally blew up. I told him of my concerns.

'I was acting in the best interests of the other players. As the captain I think that is my responsibility.

'He agreed with the points I made to him, but nothing happened.

'He said he had been given promises that the facilities would be right. I said you can't rely on promises when the World Cup is at stake.'

Keane claims his slanging-match with McCarthy, in front of his team-mates, arose after the boss accused him of faking injury in previous internationals.

He said: 'I have huge pride in the Irish nation and that has not altered. But I will never be accused of faking injury and letting down my country, particularly when the accusations are made in front of the rest of the players.

'That's why I reacted the way I did and I don't feel sorry about any aspect of it.

'In the meeting Mick accused me of faking injury and letting down my country. It was a reference to my missing the final qualifier against Iran in Tehran.

'He knew what the truth of that was because he had spoken to Alex Ferguson about it.

'He agreed that my knee problem had to be considered and accepted that I would be absent.

'Now, suddenly, the accusations were being repeated. And it was in front of all the players, not in private. In the privacy of a room with Mick, I could have handled it, discussed it.

'But I exploded. It wasn't right to treat me in that way. Mick was definitely putting a challenge down to me. Without a doubt it was all set up for me to react.

'I was being provoked and I swear on my children's lives it was being done deliberately.

'I did call Mick a w***** and no, I don't feel I should apologise for that now. When your loyalty to your country is questioned, and faking injury is mentioned, then I think you are right to speak out, that's what happened with me. I had to defend my position.'

Keane has, however, rubbished reports that he attacked McCarthy's right to manage Ireland despite being an Englishman.

'So much of what has been put in the public arena in both Ireland and England is utter nonsense,' said Keane.

'Sure, I called big Mick a w*****, I'm not sorry about that. But I didn't refer to him being an Englishman not an Irishman in any way.

'I was just trying to defend myself from very serious and unfair allegations.'

Keane also reveals that his feud with McCarthy is a long-running affair which dates back to the mid-1990s.

'A few years back in America, when we played in the US Cup, there was an argument between us when Mick was still captaining the team,' said Keane.

'A few of us got drunk out there and Mick had a go at us on the team bus. I turned round and told him where to go.

'In those days he was always sitting next to Jack Charlton and the lads joked that he was just after the manager's job.

'But Mick's last words to me following the altercation were: 'I'll get you back some day. It may not be now or even next week.'

'Eventually, this week, I feel he has got his revenge. I really do.'

Keane opened the door to playing for his country again if McCarthy leaves, but he has dismissed the possibility of apologising for his outburst and returning to the World Cup.

'There is absolutely no chance of that happening, never in a million years,' he declared.

'I have been hurt too much by what has happened, let down by so many people within the Irish camp.

'People are saying it is up to me to apologise. That's very funny. I think it should be the other way round.

'I won't be going back to Japan. Maybe, just maybe, there is a slight chance I could play for Ireland again once Mick McCarthy is no longer the manager.'
 
Aren't you reading the papers then?? Or listening to the radio.

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I do both and watch too. And take it all with the pinch of salt that it deserves - as in transfer speculation or that Veron thinks Fergie's a tosser and is joining Doncaster Rovers! None of us really know what happened do we?

But what does any of this have to do with the point of McCarthy obviously being a complete idiot of a manager. I repeat that it's his job to get the best out of his players including his Captain and best player! In this simple management objective he's abysmally failed! This can't be denied, end of story. Whatever Keane did or did not do is irrelevant to this management point!
 
Originally posted by fjred:
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Whatever Keane did or did not do is irrelevant to this management point!</strong><hr></blockquote>


I agree about McCarthy.

I'm not saying Keane deserves to have lost respect. I'm just listening to what people are saying, and recognising that he has.

In the same way, I understand how he lost his cool - I can't control my temper, so can sympathise there. But the facts are that once you do, you risk losing credibility.

The Roy Keane who was talking earlier, is the one who can get things done. He was rational, polite etc.
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Oh and another thing,why is a welsh twat like yourself so passionate about Roy Keane anyway?Ive never heard such bullshit in all my life.Roy Keane alongside Zidane is the best player in the world,who loves playing for his country with a driving passion-he is the single biggest reason why Ireland are playing in Japan at all.These are the facts and these are the reasons why Keane should be playing.Mccarthy was never a justifiable choice as manager,any other country and he would have been sacked a long time ago,his ineptness and downright inability to manage have been exposed on numerous occasions.Keanes complaints were 100% justified ,however they have never seriously been addressed.Keane is a true winner and he would have taken this team far in the World Cup,now that has been taken away-the final and most damaging act of Mccarthys inability to manage the Irishteam.Also the Fai have alot to answer for
 
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