Lets stop O'Shea playing for Ireland

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F*ck Ireland, who needs them.....

You can't slag of a legend and get away with it.

Glad to see United sticking by him and sending a private jet for him.
 
Keano did what he did and suffered the consiquensis of that...

I entertain the fact that hes not playing internation football from now on so hes fresh for united...

but that dont change the fact that he was out of order in what he said...

He thought he was bigger than the team he was playing for.
 
Originally posted by g4orce:
<strong>Keano did what he did and suffered the consiquensis of that...

I entertain the fact that hes not playing internation football from now on so hes fresh for united...

but that dont change the fact that he was out of order in what he said...

He thought he was bigger than the team he was playing for.</strong><hr></blockquote>


But he is though
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Keano is a superb footballer and a United living-legend. YET if he stood up in a United team meeting and called Alex Ferguson a

'fecking Wanker' several times and got in his face for several minutes, he would be out of Old Trafford faster than an unlocked capri would get stolen in Merseyside.

Keane will regret this one day I think.

On the other hand, if he now gets sorted for next season and the very important CL qualifiers, I as a United fan will be happy.
 
Keane may have been out of order with what he said but from what I have read, he a had a point about the facilities. You shouldn't be expecting players who have already played a long season to play on a pitch that is hard and under-watered, especially when like Keane you have bad knees!!

The guy speaks his mind and is honest, he is a winner and wanted Ireland to prepare for the World Cup in the best way possible. However what he 'apparently' said to Mick McCarthy is a different story, if he was out of order then you can't blame McCarthy for sending him home.

As a United fan this can only be a plus and hopefully now Keane can have a long summer resting that knee........ <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" /> <img src="graemlins/keano.gif" border="0" alt="[Keano]" />
 
Where are the accurate reports of Keane verbally lambasting Mcarthy coming from?

People are quoting him as calling Mick a "fecking Wanker" repeatedly, how has this information got out of a "clearing the air sesion"?

Whenever I have had a clearing the air session it is generally a case of allowing people to get things off their chest without fear of recrimination so that progress can be made afterwards, they are certainly not quotable and especially not reported to the press.

This all sounds to me like a set up by Mcarthy who could surely not have expected Keano to back down, he isn't that stupid is he?
 
Originally posted by Bury Red:
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This all sounds to me like a set up by Mcarthy who could surely not have expected Keano to back down, he isn't that stupid is he?</strong><hr></blockquote>

eh?

A conspiracy theory to get rid of his skipper and best player?

Whilst I haven;t seen any direct quotes of what was said, several players have come out and condemned Keane for being out of order....

I know you all want to back your player, but surely there's a chance here that, amazing as this is gonna sound, he was in the wrong.

No?
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Originally posted by Davo:
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eh?

A conspiracy theory to get rid of his skipper and best player?

Whilst I haven;t seen any direct quotes of what was said, several players have come out and condemned Keane for being out of order....

I know you all want to back your player, but surely there's a chance here that, amazing as this is gonna sound, he was in the wrong.

No?</strong><hr></blockquote>

In the wrong?

Maybe, maybe not.

In the wrong team?

Definitely. Keane is 100% commited to winning and expects the same from those around him, the stuff that has come out in the press about keepers skipping out of training because they're too tired then going to play golf or drinking til 5AM shows that his teammates do not share his conviction or pride.

As for the training facilities, or lack of, and the long history with the FAI being a less than professional set up Keane has a point and was right to protest it and state the dangers of injury to players and point out the lack of preparation the squad had for the tournament. When ignored, he was right to turn his back on the camp. His major mistake may have been his U turn yesterday which came about for fear of press recriminations and the affect on his family, stating that he was to quit international football would not have come easy to Keane and he obviously felt his convictions and maybe should have stood by them.

I ain't looking for a "conspiracy theory" as you so dramatically label it, I am merely stating my impression of events and that to me it looks like MM may have already decided Keane was heading home before inviting him to "clear the air", why else would the comments from their meeting be public knowledge so quickly?
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Of course the events are in the press, its huge news...and Keane has moaned to the media about events

MM clearly has to give reasons for sending his best player and captain home! How could you possibly think otherwise? Do you think that none of the other members of the Irish squad have an interest in winning the tournament other than him?? Why have they all condemned his actions?

Its clear from the reports that Keane abused MM, should he as manager expect that from his senior player in front of the whole squad? "You were a shit player" is a quote attributed to Keane, now I don;t know if this is concrete ,but if so why has he said this? Was Demento a great player? Is the comment of a rational man trying to improve things for his team..

Someone's in the wrong.

Its either the entire Ireland squad and management

Or Keane

I'll leave you to decide which is the more likely.....
 
Originally posted by Davo:
<strong>Someone's in the wrong.

Its either the entire Ireland squad and management

Or Keane

I'll leave you to decide which is the more likely.....</strong><hr></blockquote>

<img src="graemlins/smirk.gif" border="0" alt="[Smirk]" /> Easy choice :p

Come home Keano, we know you're a hot head, but at least you know we'll back you 100% as your pride and commitment deserve.

Come the start of the new season he'll have calmed down and will surely regret missing his last show on the world cup stage, but I'm sure he has done the right thing for his own health and sanity and he'll just have to get over it by lifting the European Cup at OT :D

I wonder if Mick Mcarthy will be thinking he's done the right thing when the dust finally settles.
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Originally posted by Divine:
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In fear of being sent home perhaps? <img src="graemlins/smirk.gif" border="0" alt="[Smirk]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

All of them?

They could have said nothing at all...
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Originally posted by Bury Red:
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<img src="graemlins/smirk.gif" border="0" alt="[Smirk]" /> Easy choice :p

Come home Keano, we know you're a hot head, but at least you know we'll back you 100% as your pride and commitment deserve.

Come the start of the new season he'll have calmed down and will surely regret missing his last show on the world cup stage, but I'm sure he has done the right thing for his own health and sanity and he'll just have to get over it by lifting the European Cup at OT :D

I wonder if Mick Mcarthy will be thinking he's done the right thing when the dust finally settles.</strong><hr></blockquote>


Its strange how even the most rational amongst you can talk such nonsense when you're skipper's involved.... ;)
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BTW: Davo, do you not agree that the phrase "clearing the air" suggests that what is said should be off the record and remain behind closed doors?

The fact that quotes are coming out of that session tell me that there were people in that room with agendas beyond Irish progress at the World Cup and the good of the team.

Back to the main subject of this thread, I do not believe O'Shea should pull out. He is his own man and must continue to play as he sees fit. He is still young and will benefit greatly from any playing time he gets in Japan, he may have also learnt a few valuable lessons about the desire required to be a winner at OT by watching the drama unfolding around him.
 
Originally posted by Bury Red:
<strong>BTW: Davo, do you not agree that the phrase "clearing the air" suggests that what is said should be off the record and remain behind closed doors?

The fact that quotes are coming out of that session tell me that there were people in that room with agendas beyond Irish progress at the World Cup and the good of the team.

Back to the main subject of this thread, I do not believe O'Shea should pull out. He is his own man and must continue to play as he sees fit. He is still young and will benefit greatly from any playing time he gets in Japan, he may have also learnt a few valuable lessons about the desire required to be a winner at OT by watching the drama unfolding around him.</strong><hr></blockquote>

O'Shea ain't there Bury..
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Originally posted by Davo:
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Its strange how even the most rational amongst you can talk such nonsense when you're skipper's involved.... ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

Why thankyou, I think ;)

Keano is a certifiable loon who should not be let out in the general public, but he's "our" certifiable loon and it is that commitment which has driven United to success over the last 8 years and which saw Ireland qualify for the World Cup at the expense of Holland.

If MM and the Irish think they can do without him and have a better craic when he's not around then good luck to 'em. Surely you must recognise that United fans continued support of flawed characters such as Keane, Cantona, Ferguson etc is part of the reason for our success. What would you give for a little of that eccentricity, drive and commitment at Liverpool?
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Originally posted by Bury Red:
<strong>BTW: Davo, do you not agree that the phrase "clearing the air" suggests that what is said should be off the record and remain behind closed doors?

The fact that quotes are coming out of that session tell me that there were people in that room with agendas beyond Irish progress at the World Cup and the good of the team.

Back to the main subject of this thread, I do not believe O'Shea should pull out. He is his own man and must continue to play as he sees fit. He is still young and will benefit greatly from any playing time he gets in Japan, he may have also learnt a few valuable lessons about the desire required to be a winner at OT by watching the drama unfolding around him.</strong><hr></blockquote>


the report that's been leaked came from the FAI, and the only "agenda" that they're working to is illustrating what a spoilt child roy keane turns out to be. he didn't only call mccarthy a "fecking wanker", try :

"you don't know what the feck you're doing. . .you're a fecking cnut, you were a shit player and now you're a shit manager".

and back to the topic, are you quite sure that o'shea is over there?
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Originally posted by Divine:
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...that would be seen as support for Keano = criticism of McCarthy though, wouldn't it?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Why?

Who'd have blamed them for staying out of a huge conflict between their manager and their skipper?

What would have Demento done in regards to a player who did similar in front of the rest of the squad?
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Originally posted by Davo:
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All of them?

They could have said nothing at all...</strong><hr></blockquote>

Keane was wrong and right. Wrong in his approach, but right in pointing out that the facilities and standards were poor.

Keane is a great footballer and a poor dimplomat. On the other hand he seems to be the only one to stand up to the FAI and say this is not good enough. The rest of the squad prefer to continue in the unprofessional manner.

Just as United fans defend Keane, scousers are all over here shouting about him being arrogant etc etc. No suprise there.
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Originally posted by michael owen's mum:
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the report that's been leaked came from the FAI, and the only "agenda" that they're working to is illustrating what a spoilt child roy keane turns out to be. he didn't only call mccarthy a "fecking wanker", try :

"you don't know what the feck you're doing. . .you're a fecking cnut, you were a shit player and now you're a shit manager".

</strong><hr></blockquote>


Strange that you know what was said in a 'behind locked doors' meeting
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Originally posted by Bury Red:
<strong>BTW: Davo, do you not agree that the phrase "clearing the air" suggests that what is said should be off the record and remain behind closed doors?

The fact that quotes are coming out of that session tell me that there were people in that room with agendas beyond Irish progress at the World Cup and the good of the team.

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In a perfect world then yes a closed meeting should remain so..

But due to the the importance of what has happened reasons had to be given. Do you really thing Keane being thrown out could have been followed by silence?

You're going back to your conspiracy thory... ;)
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Originally posted by michael owen's mum:
<strong>and back to the topic, are you quite sure that o'shea is over there?</strong><hr></blockquote>

No, Midlands has already pointed out my ignorance of the facts. I have paid no real attention to who was in or out of the various squads
yet and probably wouldn't have done until the tournament started until this all exploded today. I could still only tell you for sure that Packie Bonner and Alan Kelly are in the ROI team and would be guessing if I were to start listing the England squad beyond Becks, Murphy, Dyer and the usual suspects.

I simply felt that I should apologise for my digression from topic having hijacked the thread, I still stand by the sentiment that O Shea's potential future involvement with Ireland should in no way be influenced by the events of the last few days.
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Originally posted by An Extremely Boring Man:
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Strange that you know what was said in a 'behind locked doors' meeting</strong><hr></blockquote>

as i said, the FAI were the source.

you don't really believe that anything stays 'behind locked doors' these days do you, AEBM?
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Originally posted by Bury Red:
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If MM and the Irish think they can do without him and have a better craic when he's not around then good luck to 'em. Surely you must recognise that United fans continued support of flawed characters such as Keane, Cantona, Ferguson etc is part of the reason for our success. What would you give for a little of that eccentricity, drive and commitment at Liverpool?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Thats the whole point...they'll struggle to do without him on the pitch but their hand has been forced due to his actions...

If a Liverpool player abused his national manager in front of the squad I wouldn't expect any other action then him to be sent home. This wouldn't change my support for the player re my club but I'd acknowledge that he acted like a tit..

Its got sod all to do with his flawed character that you support...
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Point is, even if O'Shea was there, what the feck has he got to do with the Keane issue? Why should O'Shea's international career suffer? What a stupid topic.
 
Originally posted by michael owen's mum:
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as i said, the FAI were the source.

you don't really believe that anything stays 'behind locked doors' these days do you, AEBM?</strong><hr></blockquote>

It doesn't, but it should

If the FAI have leaked what was said, then them too have done something VERY wrong here
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Originally posted by Travis Bickle:
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Keane was wrong and right. Wrong in his approach, but right in pointing out that the facilities and standards were poor.

Keane is a great footballer and a poor dimplomat. On the other hand he seems to be the only one to stand up to the FAI and say this is not good enough. The rest of the squad prefer to continue in the unprofessional manner.

Just as United fans defend Keane, scousers are all over here shouting about him being arrogant etc etc. No suprise there.</strong><hr></blockquote>

If he felt that the facilities etc were poor than yes he has every right to point this out, and as skipper should do so...

If everything wasn't changed to match his demands straight away, threatening to leave, then having a go at his manager is childish..

Brat, pram, toys, floor

;)
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Originally posted by Davo:
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In a perfect world then yes a closed meeting should remain so..

But due to the the importance of what has happened reasons had to be given. Do you really thing Keane being thrown out could have been followed by silence?

You're going back to your conspiracy thory... ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

Touché

Maybe silence would be too much to expect, but direct quotes appearing whilst I assume the guy is still airborne are a bit OTT. A diplomatic statement to the effect that "after talks between Roy Keane and the representatives of the FAI, the management team and the Republic squad with the aim of clearing the air after the recent, heavilly publicised disputes, an impasse had been reached and as final arbiter Mick Mcarthy (or the FAI or whoever) had decided that Mr Keane should be excluded from the squad for the World Cup and had returned home immediately".

How often do the press report the words "NO COMMENT" with all the implied barbs of conspiracy. The fact that the FIA and the Ireland squad have decided to come straight out with their side of the events suggests that they never intended to honour the necessary confidential nature of the clear the air talks.
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Originally posted by Davo:
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If he felt that the facilities etc were poor than yes he has every right to point this out, and as skipper should do so...

If everything wasn't changed to match his demands straight away, threatening to leave, then having a go at his manager is childish..

Brat, pram, toys, floor

;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

What if a national manager speaks in terms like this about one of his players?
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Originally posted by Dans:
<strong>Point is, even if O'Shea was there, what the feck has he got to do with the Keane issue? Why should O'Shea's international career suffer? What a stupid topic.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yeah I totally agree with that..

His clubmate acts the tit so O'Shea wrecks his Intl career?

Bizarre..
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Originally posted by Davo:
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Why?

Who'd have blamed them for staying out of a huge conflict between their manager and their skipper?

What would have Demento done in regards to a player who did similar in front of the rest of the squad?</strong><hr></blockquote>

I agree that Roy probably went overboard in his personal abuse towards the manager, and that he in reality left them with no option but to dismiss him. SAF would've thrown him out of the window, no doubt about that.

But why didn't he recieve any support from his lazy, golf-playing team mates in his initial critisism of the facilities? Why did he have to stand on his own, being forced to fight a man to man-battle with McCarty? Keano obviously dealt with the problem in an unwise manner, but at least he's got the balls to stand up...
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Originally posted by Davo:
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If he felt that the facilities etc were poor than yes he has every right to point this out, and as skipper should do so...

If everything wasn't changed to match his demands straight away, threatening to leave, then having a go at his manager is childish..

Brat, pram, toys, floor

;) </strong><hr></blockquote>


Well you carry on writing your version of events, but there is obviously more to it than suits the rightious-scouse agenda.

Keane got angry that the Irish were totally unprofessional. Said he was leaving. Then Fergie called (somebody obviously called Fergie, probably the FAI) to convince him to stay on.

Keane agreed.

The next day a meeting was called - for whatever reason - in which Keane and McCarthy got into an argument.

Keane leaves. Irish Manager says it is because he dissed him.

Keane's behaviour impetious and hot headed, Irish FA a farce.
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Originally posted by MPTutd:
<strong>F*ck Ireland, who needs them.....

You can't slag of a legend and get away with it.

Glad to see United sticking by him and sending a private jet for him.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Who the F*uck do you think you are coming out with this crap?

Stop and consider for one moment that John O'Shea may see it as beneficial to his career and personal development to play for his country.

How would you propose that we might stop him from playing?

You really are an ignorant C*nt.
Enough said.
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Originally posted by Divine:
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I agree that Roy probably went overboard in his personal abuse towards the manager, and that he in reality left them with no option but to dismiss him. SAF would've thrown him out of the window, no doubt about that.

But why didn't he recieve any support from his lazy, golf-playing team mates in his initial critisism of the facilities? Why did he have to stand on his own, being forced to fight a man to man-battle with McCarty? Keano obviously dealt with the problem in an unwise manner, but at least he's got the balls to stand up...</strong><hr></blockquote>


Perhaps the situation wasn't as bad as Keane made out?

He couldn;t be over reacting tho surely...not Keane

;)
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Originally posted by Travis Bickle:
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Well you carry on writing your version of events, but there is obviously more to it than suits the rightious-scouse agenda.

.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I'd be criticial of one of our lot if he had behaved in the manner Keane did...

You're far more biased on the subject than I am
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Originally posted by Davo:
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I'd be criticial of one of our lot if he had behaved in the manner Keane did...

You're far more biased on the subject than I am</strong><hr></blockquote>

What if your manager behaved along those lines?

;)
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Not being naive or anything but is the sort of thing that gives the Irish their "thick" label.
 
Naieve or racist ????

hmmmmm??

Ever read this page???

<a href="https://www.redcafe.net/about.php3" target="_blank">https://www.redcafe.net/about.php3</a>
 
FAI = Amateur hour
Roy = hotheat who can't stand amateur hour
McCarthy = piss poor manager who can't organise a proffesional national side and then sends Roy home to save face
 
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