There's no doubt about the fact that France's bench is ridiculous compared to what England had. Coman, Camavinga and that's pretty much it. We can't say that Marcus Thuram is comparable to Grealish or Rashford... We basically use 12 or 13 players.
Let's all laugh at England
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There's no doubt about the fact that France's bench is ridiculous compared to what England had. Coman, Camavinga and that's pretty much it. We can't say that Marcus Thuram is comparable to Grealish or Rashford... We basically use 12 or 13 players.
I’m glad you’re ok mate. Don’t worry, you will do better, every storm finishes at some point.
Come here in Argentina for some time and your life will be a whole rollercoaster.
Just kidding, hope everything goes well.
I'm saying it's common sense that most media is one eyed and targeted to it's audience.
No, I have not seen every other countries media to confirm this.
A low. An aussie taking the piss about football of all things!
Deluded for sure but then you have Croatia in the last 4 having only beaten Canada so truly performance and results don’t always align. That being said, for performances Morocco and France definitely better but then perhaps England? although you could argue for couple of other nations. Certainly out performed Germany, Netherlands, Spain and Brazil.
Gareth sits on the edge of the bed, his head heavy in his hands as he wonders what he could have done differently.
His wife comes to the room and stands at the doorway, her head resting against the doorframe. “That’ll do, Gareth. That’ll do.” She says softly.
Brazil?
So you meant that all countries are (equally) jingoistic? I don't think that's something that can just be thrown out there either.
Nobody expected Croatia to go this far as they did while England has again been touted as one of the favorites to win the WC not to mention all the hype they've been getting from the british media and pundits.
One eyed yes, but if there are certain predispositions they will play along those lines. Here we will play the plucky underdog. If there is a history of conquest and exceptionalism that will be used too.
Also around tournaments the casual football fan has a much bigger interest. Here in Ireland the football community both fans and journos are mostly a sane bunch, but as, soon as we qualify for a tournament or get the spotlight every tosspot on the island gets involved and its a circus. I'll cringe at our national reaction to Henry's handball until I die. The proper journos in England like Liew and Ronay don't fuel the hype.
England lost to one of the favourites and gave just as good as they got. It was also they’re only loss. These things happen in knockout tournaments. Totally different if they lost to a Saudi Arabia. Fact is they out performed many of the better nations but I don’t agree with Carraghers assessment.
Well, I'm sorry for speaking in absolute terms.
I strongly suspect the majority of the western press is as jingoistic as their british countparts. Hope that's enough caveats?
Since the 2006 World cup our victories are as follows:
Senegal
Wales
Iran
Tunisia
Panama
Sweden
Colombia
Slovenia
Paraguay
Trinidad
Ecuador
The last time I remember us beating a big team (and correct me if I'm wrong) is Argentina in the 2002 group stages... Just to show how bad our record is, Morocco have beaten Belgium, Spain and Portugal this world cup for context.
We always lose to the first decent team we face and yet we're always hyped up as winners by our media and fans. We're the Spurs of International football. I officially gave up last year after the Euros, if we couldn't win a major trophy against a terrible Italy team at Wembley when are we going to win ?
Just annoys me that our media and pundits constantly overrate our players, many of them had 3 French players in a combined 11 and then they come out afterwards and act like we played well and were plucky underdogs anyway. We need to get real or it will take another 60 odd years to win something.
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Sounds like a pretty big and convenient assumption to me.
Again, sounds like common sense!
Are you of the belief that English press is more jingoistic than most others?
Sounds like a convenient assumption, to me.
I don't think every country finds itself on the same position of the political spectrum, neither do a lot of countries have some glorified historic empire to draw false feelings of exceptionalism and superiority over others from. An example of this would be the way large parts of British media cheered on Brexit.
I was mainly keeping my thoughts to the realm of football. Anything else is opening up a can of warms I'm not qualified to talk about.
Of course, each countires media will see things through it's own lens and be influenced by it's own history. And I suspect, that whatever that background is, a world cup brings patriotism to the forefront.
The real question is: does English football deserve Gareth Southgate?
Glad to hear this - THANK YOU for confirming.
The real question is: does English football deserve Gareth Southgate?
Croatia were finalists in 2018. England were a penalty shootout away from being European champions only last year.
Pretending there's anyone who thought Croatia were a bag of shit or should have thought England were is bollocks
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A pro england Scouser.......shame....SHAME
Yep, england fan all my life. They don't represent the state, to me. Which some people in this city will try and tell you.
And, as people can tell, any hope or expectation has long gone. Now, largely in the not arsed camp!
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Modric in decline, Rakitic gone...Again nobody expected Croatia to go as far as they did.
You are actually on to something interesting here regarding the teams England has defeated. Hardly the top brass.
What struck me against France was that England went out there ready to go toe to toe against France. Clearly a bad idea against superior opponents. A more pragmatic side, say Argentina, won't engage like that because it's naive.
And you are also dead right about the overrated players. Some are actually the real deal, Walker for example, but many are a dime a dozen.
This is the thing, the viewpoint here is we are the superior side, the media pre game were saying we need to go toe to toe with France as we can beat them that way.
What confuses me is that all the talk of having a better team than France has now disappeared and it seems we were just underdogs. You'd think the same media and pundits that have 3 French players in their combined 11s would be calling for Southgate's head but most of them think he's done a good job, it's really bizarre.
Even in the realm of football I don't think that's true. I certainly wouldn't say that German media are as bad as the English. I still remember the 2010 BBC pre match show, when English pundits called the German team mediocre and overrated... after coming in second with 5 points in the famous "EASY" group. It had a surreal feeling. And that contrast seems to exist despite the sporting achievements actually being the other way around.
I also don't think football journalism happens in a vacuum, it comes from and is made for the same society and culture as other journalism. You using the word "patriotism" highlights this: countries (can) have entirely different ideas of what that word actually means for them.
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Spain and Netherlands also miss a lot too. I'm sure there are other big teams too.
Oh my god I've been thinking about you all day. I was in the pub telling mum about it and all the messages in response. I heard you got help and it made me way more positive about people based on all of your kind responses. I didn't have the eloquent words of my redcafe family but im so happy you didn't do anything you would regret. Mum and I have suffered with depression but my boys and my baby daughter are reasons to find hope in anything. Much love to you brother, and this forum is awesome. Mum said this is where social media can be good, proud to be part of it. Get well soon Blackbeard.
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Brutal. Was a vid of him slamming free kicks as becks watched on
Small victories as a loser Scotland fan im guessing..Wont deny it. Our whole family, even the wife absolutely pissed ourselves at him.
We even rewound it
Yeah they epitomise losers at international level and it's quite pathetic really
If only you meant that'll do for his time as coach and I use that term loosely with him
And people wonder why this thread was created
fair play for beating Wales , Iran and Senegal
Yeah it's insufferable at this point.
Before the game too we had Eni Aluko talking about how England should be confident because their midfield has been "dominant" so far. They'd played Iran, Wales, the USA and Senegal... and the USA's midfield outperformed them anyway.
Typical England though. They beat the teams they're supposed to beat and suddenly they're world beaters and then they play a decent team, lose, and suddenly there's loads of inquests and soul-searching.