Leroy Sane watch | Feb 2020: Returning to fitness with City's U23s

My point stands too. Let's first see whether Brandt can flourish in one of the top teams in Europe before claiming there isn't much between him and Sane.

That said, I understand perfectly well that Brandt might suit Low's tactics better and is more reliable right now. Sane could be brilliant or shocking, Brandt is a solid 7/10. Still think it is a mistake by Low though as Sane has different qualities to the other attacking players.
It doesn't matter.


It's whether he can flourish within the German system that matters. It's why Klose who had a sometimes iffy club career was chosen consistently for Germany. He delivered there.
 
Look for Mrs Smoker’s stat thread. She watched United’s games from 91 and recorded all the assists recorded by United’s players. The stats will shock you.

Interesting. The official PL website has Giggs at 162 assists in the league though. I doubt his first two seasons from his debut in 91 to the beginning of the PL make up the difference in assists going by the numbers you put up. Giggs only made 53 apps before the PL era. @Mrs Smoker would you be kind enough to show direct me to your thread or your source for these stats?
 
Do you mean to say more than Giggs ever managed in a single season in the league?

Yes. IIRC, Giggs's record within a league season is 13 assists. Beckham's is 15.
 
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Why criticize a manager who has had his team perform consistently well in the tournaments of past years if he hasn't called up a player who couldn't be further from the style of play he likes to have his teams play :confused: ?
 
Interesting. The official PL website has Giggs at 162 assists in the league though. I doubt his first two seasons from his debut in 91 to the beginning of the PL make up the difference in assists going by the numbers you put up. Giggs only made 53 apps before the PL era. @Mrs Smoker would you be kind enough to show direct me to your thread or your source for these stats?

Hi there. Both threads are stickied in the United forum. Source was videos of all United goals from 1987 or so...

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/manchester-united-goals-and-assists-1987-88-today.396084/ - lists with totals and such, yearly and alltogether
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/manchester-united-goals-in-gfycat-form.407722/ - in the images there's breakdowns by each game

By my count, Giggs had 196 assists in the Premier League and 207 altogether in the league (11 in Division 1 in 1991-92). 309 for United.

Mind, I do not believe PL tracked assists in the pre-2000 ages. But if they did, maybe they had a different definition of an assist. In that first thread, I've posted what I think an assist is, and which I used after on.
 


Can certainly teach Rabiot and Wilshire a thing or two.

Very classy.


More like not being a complete idiot. Löw has a contract until 2022, crying to the media would probably have ended his international career.
 
Hi there. Both threads are stickied in the United forum. Source was videos of all United goals from 1987 or so...

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/manchester-united-goals-and-assists-1987-88-today.396084/ - lists with totals and such, yearly and alltogether
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/manchester-united-goals-in-gfycat-form.407722/ - in the images there's breakdowns by each game

By my count, Giggs had 196 assists in the Premier League and 207 altogether in the league (11 in Division 1 in 1991-92). 309 for United.

Mind, I do not believe PL tracked assists in the pre-2000 ages. But if they did, maybe they had a different definition of an assist. In that first thread, I've posted what I think an assist is, and which I used after on.

Thank you. I'll check out your threads. According to the PL website they began tracking assists and other extra stats like minutes played in the inaugural season
 
In terms of raw numbers (goals + assists) Sane has contributed 25 league goals - as many as Ronaldo and Henry at the same age (22).

That's why Raw stats aren't everything. As good as Sane is, he's still around 2-3 levels below 22 yo Ronaldo who won the PFA main award (fending off the likes of PRIME Drogba, Lampard, Gerrard, etc) as well as the young player of the year in a more difficult EPL and then later finishing 2nd in the Ballon D'or.
 
so could've Mahrez and Aubumayeng. It's crazy how bottomless the pool of talent for France is.

well technically he could have but it would have been a total joke. Lets see the Mother is german, the father from Senegal and he was born and grew up in Germany but you play for France? Makes total sense.. not.
Not that France need him anyway.
 
What does everyone think about Sane's tattoo? What was his reason for getting it? Is he sane? (no pun intended)
 
What does everyone think about Sane's tattoo? What was his reason for getting it? Is he sane? (no pun intended)
It's better late than never my friend; welcome to the internet.

It's a pretty shocking tatoo mind.
 
What does everyone think about Sane's tattoo? What was his reason for getting it? Is he sane? (no pun intended)

The stories of his over inflated ego must be true. Who gets a tatoo of themselves?
 
Source? He definitely had more than 15 we can both agree to that :lol:

15 in the league in a single season is probably right.

The record is 19 by Ozil, so Giggs' number would be somewhere there-ish.
 
The stories of his over inflated ego must be true. Who gets a tatoo of themselves?

You do not know... Reus has his name and his birthday tatooed on the inside of his arm... (so that he is not lost when he gets drunk and nobody forgets the presents...)

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Hasn't he always been crap for Germany, though? Not exactly shocking that he didn't make the final cut.

Come to think of it, he was very underwhelming last season in the league too. It was only this season when Pep perfected his system that he started playing well.
 
What does everyone think about Sane's tattoo? What was his reason for getting it? Is he sane? (no pun intended)
The only compatible tattoo that I can think of is Steve O's back tattoo and he was a massive drug attic with a career based on doing stupid shit.

You shouldn't judge a book by its cover and all that so maybe it just means he's egotistical and stupid, both of which is not uncommon for a young footballer.
 
Hi there. Both threads are stickied in the United forum. Source was videos of all United goals from 1987 or so...

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/manchester-united-goals-and-assists-1987-88-today.396084/ - lists with totals and such, yearly and alltogether
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/manchester-united-goals-in-gfycat-form.407722/ - in the images there's breakdowns by each game

By my count, Giggs had 196 assists in the Premier League and 207 altogether in the league (11 in Division 1 in 1991-92). 309 for United.

Mind, I do not believe PL tracked assists in the pre-2000 ages. But if they did, maybe they had a different definition of an assist. In that first thread, I've posted what I think an assist is, and which I used after on.

The Premier League track them, and since it's inception Giggs best season has been 12 assists. With him regularly putting up 10 or so over very many years. League only fixtures of course.
https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/players/goal_assist
The consistency of Giggs is quite simply amazing looking at that list.

5, 7, 11, 9 (32),
6, 9, 2, 12 (61),
8, 12, 10, 11 (102) thats an impressive 4 years from 00/01 to 03/04.
9, 7, 7, 4 (129)
7, 9, 6, 8 (159)
3 (162) in his final season.

Ridiculous consistency between 1999 and 2012 but indeed never put up a league season like Sane has this term.

As a side note I decided to note everyone whose matched or bettered Sane and only 6 players have ever bettered his total this season.

20 - Henry
19 - Ozil
18 - Lampard, De Bruyne, Fabregas,
16 - Cantona
15 - Sane, Solano, Pires, Le Tissier, McManaman, David Silva, Eriksen, Beckham

The issue for Sane is doing it one season is not enough, he's gotta do it for 10 or so. Giggs didn't just do it, he did it consistently for 13 years.
 
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The Premier League track them, and since it's inception Giggs best season has been 12 assists. With him regularly putting up 10 or so over very many years. League only fixtures of course.
https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/players/goal_assist
The consistency of Giggs is quite simply amazing looking at that list.

5, 7, 11, 9 (32),
6, 9, 2, 12 (61),
8, 12, 10, 11 (102) thats an impressive 4 years from 00/01 to 03/04.
9, 7, 7, 4 (129)
7, 9, 6, 8 (159)
3 (162) in his final season

Thanks for that. I reckon differences are mostly due to rebounds I kept. Official Fantasy Premier League used them as well, but actual Premier League apparently not.
 
20 - Henry
19 - Ozil
18 - Lampard, De Bruyne, Fabregas,
16 - Cantona
15 - Sane, Solano, Pires, Le Tissier, McManaman, David Silva, Eriksen

The issue for Sane is doing it one season is not enough, he's gotta do it for 10 or so. Giggs didn't just do it, he did it consistently for 13 years.

Giggs was sensationally consistent. Cantona though :drool:

Thought Beckham had 15 assists one season?
 
Giggs was sensationally consistent. Cantona though :drool:

Thought Beckham had 15 assists one season?

I might have missed that, highest I seen was 13, but you could be right.
Indeed you are correct, strangely enough I marked down Solano's and skipped Beckham. I'll fix the list.
 
Thanks for that. I reckon differences are mostly due to rebounds I kept. Official Fantasy Premier League used them as well, but actual Premier League apparently not.
Yeah, that makes sense. Either way he was some footballer, I know some places also count winning peno's and I'm not sure if the PL do.
 
He won't sit on the bench for long. Already missed one world cup..

Looked very fed up today.

Needs to sort his attitude out then. It's obvious he's a little bit arrogant and it's the 2nd Pre-season on a bounce where he's barely played a minute because of it. And his performance at Wembley last week did nothing to show he should start today.

He'll sort himself out in a few weeks like he did last year but his attitude must get better if he's to reach the very very top of the game
 
If this was United we'd already have an exclusive in every paper about fallings out and him wanting to go to Madrid and all this. You can't tell me the media doesn't help disrupt our harmony and allow other clubs a quiet time of it.
 
If this was United we'd already have an exclusive in every paper about fallings out and him wanting to go to Madrid and all this. You can't tell me the media doesn't help disrupt our harmony and allow other clubs a quiet time of it.
United sells more papers.
 
If this was United we'd already have an exclusive in every paper about fallings out and him wanting to go to Madrid and all this. You can't tell me the media doesn't help disrupt our harmony and allow other clubs a quiet time of it.

True. But also nobody cares about City.